Re: end of time logic or thoughts
^^ Elasticity. The Big Bang turns in to The Big Crunch :D
What does the question mark represent in the image?
Peace,
I am guessing you are referring from an “Islamic” perspective.
I firmly believe that the end is what you make of it… if we keep believing that the Youm-il-Qiyaamah “end of times” will be the worst of times, then it will be so. That is the insurmountable barrier as described in the Quran in 7:40: “Those who have denied Our revelations, and became arrogant towards them, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter Paradise **until the camel passes through the eye of a needle **(which IMO sounds impossible but that depends on one’s perspective). It is such that We recompense the criminals.”
Furthermore, I believe that Youm-il-Qiyaamah reveals itself linguistically as “The Day of PURGING”, when we shun all of our doubts and fears… it is that day that we as a race (i.e humans/naas/bani-aadam) shall transcend to a new level of existance (i.e. the state of paradise/firdous or whatever you may want to call it).
So it is not as black-and-white as you may think.
Peace Sister
No
It cannot be ...
God does nothing in half measures ...
Our destruction proves to us our limits, it proves He is All-Mighty where it proves He can re-Create is He so Wills. It proves our helplessness and His Dominion over us.
God created the perfect worshippers i.e. angels, before He created humans ...
So what happens to the angels then.
When time stops there wouldnt be anything existing including God.
Re: end of time logic or thoughts
including God, is a very presumptive statement.
So what happens to the angels then. When time stops there wouldnt be anything existing including God.
Peace vineshvk
Your presumption is that God is included in the subset of 'all things', it is a fallacious premise that leads you to conclude God will cease upon the end of time. Time is itself subject to end but not God.
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Time is infinite meaning time has never started nor will it stop.
If it did have a starting point, at what time did it start? There must be time to start time if it had been started, and if time would stop then nothing will exist as there will be no time to keep everything there, and yes there still will be time if time had stopped so you can’t say time had a starting point or an end.
Time keeps all things in motion, if there is no time then nothing will exist-not even nothing.
Re: end of time logic or thoughts
when time is ending, some other dimension is unthinkable, as we have limitations to out psyche for prospective, predictive estimation of anything beyond time, no?
Time is infinite meaning time has never started nor will it stop.
If it did have a starting point, at what time did it start? There must be time to start time if it had been started, and if time would stop then nothing will exist as there will be no time to keep everything there, and yes there still will be time if time had stopped so you can’t say time had a starting point or an end.
Time keeps all things in motion, if there is no time then nothing will exist-not even nothing.
Peace slick_star
In order to prove something as simple as 'motion' we need the mathematical assumption that 'time' has a starting point.
The analogy has to be extraneously deduced. The entity that time resides within in order for it be determined will have to be something other than the 'time' we know. And if there was no space or at a point there was an infintesimal amount of space then the occurence of anything would be 'in all places at all times' making it by definition eternal and thus not limited to time. Space is integrated with time just as you are finding it hard to conceive of no time some people also find it hard to conceive of no space, but they fit the patterns of the physical universe to make those assumptions, and they make the math work too.
Additionally it makes sense that God would be such that cannot be contained within the parameters of Time, or else Time would share aspects with God and that would render God as not Unique and not Absolute and subject to change by velocities, which infers something inferior and not All-Mighty. By definition God is All Mighty and not affected by these parameters, likewise will not be affect by Time either.
Peace vineshvk
Your presumption is that God is included in the subset of 'all things', it is a fallacious premise that leads you to conclude God will cease upon the end of time. Time is itself subject to end but not God.
As time stops, light stops and then there wouldn't be God. When there is no time, then no energy, no entropy and hence no God.
In philosophical point of view, if everything cease to exist then the concept of God is redundant. God exist in the minds of believers ( every living objects). If they dont exist when everything cease to exist, then God dies out with them.
As time stops, light stops and then there wouldn't be God. When there is no time, then no energy, no entropy and hence no God. In philosophical point of view, if everything cease to exist then the concept of God is redundant. God exist in the minds of believers ( every living objects). If they dont exist when everything cease to exist, then God dies out with them.
Peace vineshvk
Again I assert that your understanding and view of God is terribly limiting and you do not understand Supremacy of God by the words you write. First of all you still claim that nothing would exist if time stops, this is not true. You said that light stops and therefore there would be no God, again there is no substantiation. All the things you mention including entropy are lesser than God and require God to exist themselves, yes even energy. There is no one here who can say God is energy or anything else we have no right to make such bold claims when we have no clue of His Nature.
However, we have enough mathematical tools available to understand how infinite and infintesimal principles work in a Universal frame of reference. Ultimately we will be reduced to a singularity that will need to be present before all else or otherwise there will be no way that we can be made. Our belief in Creator is that God can make from nothing.
Also philosophically as you put it, your understanding of God is again wrong, because philosophy tells us that everything that we can refer to has a beginning and has an end. So there must a point when nothing exists, and philosophy tells again that nothing can spontaneously come into existence, for that matter philosophy at least a major branch of the God believing philosophers agree that something that is beyond our references needs to be present in order to ensure things come into existence.
Re: end of time logic or thoughts
end of time will also include vaporing of all things material. so in the end, only the spirits will survive and be physically present. and the awe inspiring thing is that they carry no weight, but that of the deeds of the bodies that contained them.
an anology - the box is supposed to protect its content and when it has safely delivered the item, it is flattened, folded and discarded.
in case of end of time, the body is discarded for the time being, till the day of judgement and the spirit is invoked to face its fate.
in terms of the end of time thoughts, does the spirit independently knows what it must do to keep itself safe?
Re: end of time logic or thoughts
Time is a relative thing. It depends on the relative position of observer.
According to Big Bang theory our time started at the Big Bang expansion.
In recent years more theories are becoming up thanks to the more accuracy and technological advancements in Astrophysics and Quantum physics.
M theory stating parallel universes and Strings theory have created a lot of discussion and given new dimensions to the concept of time space.
Peace vineshvk
Again I assert that your understanding and view of God is terribly limiting and you do not understand Supremacy of God by the words you write. First of all you still claim that nothing would exist if time stops, this is not true. You said that light stops and therefore there would be no God, again there is no substantiation. All the things you mention including entropy are lesser than God and require God to exist themselves, yes even energy. There is no one here who can say God is energy or anything else we have no right to make such bold claims when we have no clue of His Nature.
You start with the premise of supremacy of God so you can justify anything what you find in the end to be god, be it something without energy, without light and without any power.
Neither we can say it is singular. Probability of finding God in the universe is one; doesnt mean that it is singular.
Who said those. As far as laws of physics go, you cannot make anything from nothing. You need to explain to me the first sentence you wrote. I did not get it.
You contradict yourself. When you say nothing exist then nothing exist including God. Did you ever wonder that everything existed and time is an infinite quantity with no beginning. May be the universe is contracting and expanding on its own and time will never stop or would have never began.
The concept of God is wrong from your point of view my friend. I think we are drastically different in the concept of God. I do believe in God as a facilitator and nothing more. I believe in evolution and I believe in natural selection. I believe those to be facts proved and debated by science as far as my training in Biology and structural biology goes.