End of the past?

Society Pakistan & World Affairs
201

Re: End of the past?

Ali I thank God that these so called self claimed psychoanalyst were not present during the period of Prophet, otherwise, Nauzbillah changing of Qibla from Bait ul Muqaddas to native Kaba would also have been termed Xenophobic?

We all know that as per a famous tradition, there were 125,000 prophets sent to the World, but the Quran mentions only those who were either Arabs or known to Arabs. It is a natural tendency that God acknowledged and you know how followers of Quran start crying when someone just ask for giving equal coverage to local heroes.

These psychoanalyst might have used a term for the Prophet when they know what Prophet did all day on the first day of conquest of Makkah.

BTW, who said to glorify local heroes. We are all for the version of history as it is basis, where no opinion is formed on the basis of religion and races. Just bring out the facts without filling bullsh!t in innocent minds. Why should children be taught lies knowingly, when they will know the truth from alternate sources afterwards. If its not possible for authorities to present neutral perspective to children, then stop teaching history in schools.

202

Re: End of the past?

Do you have a 'word' for Prophet because he was an Arab? Do you throw tantrums over the fact that only Arab prophets are "glorified" in Quran? If not then shut it, and don't go there. Don't act like a lousy Mullah now.

203

Re: End of the past?

We have shown enough courtesy to your bakwaas wrist slit, xenophobia, delusional terms thrown at almost every member who got a different view than yours. Don't act like dictator (Hitler), while labeling others Neo-Nazis. Shut this bakwas up or otherwise, be ready to face the tone you throw at every one.

The Prophet was not likes of your Ghaznavi, who looted cities, killed innocents for wealth and got treatment of a hero from those who were looted. Prophet conquered hearts and left no wealthy belongings behind him. What is the character of looters who invaded sub-continent? Quran did acknowledged the fact that examples be local to convey the message, because Prophet's Islam was natural unlike the Islam of slaves living today.

204

Re: End of the past?

I know how to shut xenophobic twits like you. Glad to see you getting your share of bakwas out of your system.

Apart from acting a racist two penny nationalist, you tried to act like pathetic ilterate Mullah and questioned my reverence and acceprence of Prophet and Quranic message. Next time your sorry ass went as far as bringing Prophet in and questioning my faith, I'll put you and your bakwas in a place here it deserve to be. Because of idiots like you blasphemy related violence is on rise in Pakistan because it just takes one particular twit to draw a negative assumption about someone's acceptance of Prophet, and off that goes that peron's life.

Screw your bloody "hero" bullsht. Ghaznavi isn't my "hero" nor I've even studied him. It is your insecure little neo-Nazi self whining and moaning about about "glorifying" "heroes" on the basis of ethnicity. I find the whole idea extremely stupid and an unacceptable academic practice, whether done on religious or racial grounds.

I have no interest or any desire to sugar coat my words for likes of you.

205

Re: End of the past?

sugar coated and you. You have been reacting like a zehreeli nagin all the times.

Always sh!tty and disrespected towards those who have different views. Good that people call you PTI's Gull Butt. You deserve this rubbish. When you can label someone Nazi and act like all known like almighty, then ready to bear what comes in your way.

All bakwaas we have been hearing from you, when you even don't know what is being taught in Pakistan. You support things without knowing the facts and then talk of tolerance. First practice what you preach. You are most annoying person who have insulted many on this site. You claim to 5% elitist. Stay in your cocoon. No one need your good for nothing 2 koRi ke filthy analysis.

206

Re: End of the past?

It is because xenophobic twits and neo-Nazis, Britain has never considered paying due memorial day tribute to 1.3 million Indian army men which included 400,000 Muslim soldiers fighting on Allies side in WWI. Why? Because they were 'foreigners'. Their blood and sacrifices weren't as worthy as those of "natives".

207

Re: End of the past?

Piss off. I am all too well aware of my conduct here and know exactly how unfriendly and unfiltered I am. Maybe I prefer it this way? Unlike you, posting on this website is not a social experience. As long as those members who managed to form contact me outside of this website in personal capacity are pleased with me, I'm okay. Likes of you and rest of the opinions don't matter. Get that.

Drill this little thing in your xenophobic head - next time, no matter how desperate your pathetic little self gets, never ever attack my faith. Go take piss out of my ethnicity or my Red Passport all you want, but leave matters of faith alone. And, no, I don't have to "bear" none of your bloody bakwas that targets my faith like the Mullahs you grew up listening to and the filth you had to read. What makes you think, before you, I could not have asked you what you think of Prophet's ethnicity or Quran's 'glorification' of Arab Prophets since you are the one with major ethnic complex here?

208

Re: End of the past?

Its apparent who pissed here. You attacked every one. Insulted others. Their beliefs, ideologies just on your guesses and when you were given reply in your tone, you turned all pak bibi.

I don't care what you are in your real life. Your image here is just of Kali devi. Not that we are afraid of your bakwaas and taunts here, but there is a limit to everything and you just kept on crossing that.

Its not that you are the only Muslim here. We believe and revere the prophet if not more than you than not less than you. You kept on coming with whatever examples and comparing people with Nazis. We have not compared you with Umm e Jamil, we just show you how does it feel when you throw filth from your mind without thinking for a second. Come off your high horse and don't believe that your insults will always be tolerated with patience.

209

Re: End of the past?

[QUOTE]
You support things without knowing the facts and then talk of tolerance.
[/QUOTE]

I can quote posts where you are having a big old moan about glorifying locals and invaders and war mongers just because they share your ethnicity (the argument neo-Nazis present). Go quote me where I have even remotely supported the idea that likes of Ghaznavi should be exalted as "heroes" in the textbooks. Otherwise stop lying.

210

Re: End of the past?

Of course I am pissed. Some xenophobic twit who claims to be so upset by religious intolerance actually brings religion into the debate to put the other person down, and claim moral and religious high ground. Bloody hypocrite. This is exactly how blasphemy cases start. I know I'm not the only Muslim here, that's why I rarely ever use religion card to score points. What makes you think I could not have brought Prophet and Quran to question your 'racial tolerance', and assumed that likes of you would've rejected Prophet because he was an Arab?

Honestly, if your pathetic self feel any cheap thrills by using religion to put me in my place. Then feel good to know that you got me. I've usually always given up in front of Mullahs. With that it is confirmed that your limit to insult starts from the point my limit ends. How pathetic.

You think I give two hoots what my image is like here? You seem far more concerned and obsessed than I am. Had I cared, some two penny racist would not be giving me freshie titles and slurs.

Calling me a Hindu Goddess as an insult? LOL Piss off again.

211

Re: End of the past?

I called equal coverage without discriminating religion. Go read again. Didn't you say that these invaders added value to sub-continent? Anyways, now you will come up with different interpretation of that. But I'm not interested.

You might remember how you could not digest my thread on history of Sindh and come up with habitual Xenophobic mania there. I extended courtesy to you and explained in detail that its not absolute xenophobia and people assimilated with those who respected their feelings and culture.

Then you twisted my sentences in 'Why leaders not be criticised' and afterwards kept on reproducing same argument in 'son of soil' thread. I tried my best to indulge in smooth debate with you, but you are always busy to insult others to prove your point. You never see how others are trying to be nice. This thread was not about your favorite xenophobia, but a random question by hanibal (which he mentioned that is not the topic here) gave you chance to go through same arguments you are producing in many threads for more than a month.

You can;t impose heroes on others. I didn't say anyone to follow Rja Dahir as hero, as I myself consider him a grey character. But how many posts are here where this was talked about and at a point I was asked to stop feeding this racism to Punjab.

After all this, if I said what you consider pissing off then I've no regrets over it. I gave example of Prophet and incidents from his life to let people know that caring for your own people is not xenophobia all the time, till you remain in your limits. It might address to the mentality who consider everyone turning to local people and local civilisation xenophobic / racism, but it was not pointed out to a particular poster.

My point all over this thread was equal representation of people and their contribution for the land without discrimination of race, sect and religion. if I was racist, why should I consider people from Punjab my heroes? I don't think its problematic for anyone. What was problematic for me to get racist, xenophobic and neo-nazi titles for this view. We know invaders like Abrah are detested in Quran, so if I opted to condemn outsider invaders, how come this earned me title of confused towards religion?

This thread is full of personal attacks and its not that I got patience of a prophet to let everything go without responding in the same tone.

212

Re: End of the past?

:rotfl:

213

Re: End of the past?

As far as I know you were one of the original people who kept having a moan about 'foreigners'. Like it or not, and the fear and disdain of 'foreigners' itself is the definition of xenophobia. Go look up in the dictionary. Stop this 'equal representation' twist, you have repeatedly used the word glorify, glamouristion, local, natives, foreigners in all your posts. Who in present day Punjab gets the honour of being a 'native' and who is still an evil 'foreigner' - given the rich and diverse ethnic make up of Punjab's population due to foreign invaders becoming settlers? This is not Sindh we are talking about where such words can get you the votes. This is precisely one the major reasons I found your nonstop pimping of the word 'foreigners' so pathetically ignorant and disrespectful. If some white person can be called a neo-Nazi for discrediting me, my roots, demonising my heritage, I don't see why the same title cannot be extended to brown nationalists who aim to embattle and embitter people who are different. Classic case of how brown on brown racism doesn't get counted. But the point is when you continuously chuck in such stupid words while pretending to build an an argument for objective and balances history, except not be taken seriously.

What I really don't stand about your posts is sheer hypocrisy - one hand you kept shedding river of tears about foreigner invaders being expansionist, power hungry, and opportunists and violent invaders but on the other, you wanted Punjabis to hero worship Ranjit Sing? Why? Was he not an opportunist invader? Did he not ravage Punjab province? Did he not repeatedly attack Punjab when it was at its weakest - was that not violent opportunism in pursuit of power and land? Why should Punjabis consider Ranjit Singh a hero, instead of Sir Ganga Ram? If anyone who was actually promoting war, glory and victory romantic BS was you, and it's funny considering you were saying how glorification of wars and victory needs to be scrapped out of textbooks, but at the same time, wanted to 'glorify' and glamourise Ranjit Singh because of his ethnicity?

Unlike you I strongly and resolutely disagree with the idea of hero worshipping historic personalities on the basis of religion and race, and that too in the face of learning History as a subject. You continuously proposed hero worshipping or herofying of personalities. Show me one post where I have used any of such pathetic words to say yes it is okay to hero worship Ghaznavi or likes? Of course, I admit that 800 years of Muslim conquests is too big of a period to be ignored and generalised with any broad brush conclusions - that goes for both ways.

214

Re: End of the past?

Again twisting of words. keep on with this rant and piss off as usual.

Just using terms foreign invaders doesn't mean that I supported local atrocities against the local. Its you who kept on arguing about Alexendra and said why should we teach about Porus who was defeated. hypocrisy, twisting and pissing ends at you.

Didn't I said that we should give coverage to contribution of Hindus, Parsis and Qadyanis. Who from Parsis and Qadyanis were rulers? Start using your mind which is fully under control of biases. While you call others biased,you are yourselves full of all biases as well besides being highly judgmental.

Talking of Punjab don't try to act smart, everyone knows how biradri voting sells there like other parts of the country. Everyone is occupied with some biases and you, me, no one can deny that.

215

Re: End of the past?

Why do you want to use history to produce embittered and embattled generation? Why do you want a generation to grow up hating their history? Be it 800 years of Muslim conquests or pre-Islamic civilisation? This is so typical of colonised nations where they feel they have to feel bitter about one thing or another - they need some kind of fear in place to find the desire to survive.

My point for any thick skull struggling to comprehend is simple - study the past as it happened. Don't get too wrapped about imposing moral judgements on the past. The judgements will be formed naturally once an objective and wholesome analysis has been established.

216

Re: End of the past?

Didn't we were asking for this in all the thread, while you were cherry picking and labeling others xenophobic, racist, neo-nazi left right centre?

217

Re: End of the past?

:khumar:

218

Re: End of the past?

You chippy little bugger, if you wanna use 'oh so foreign' insults, at least get them right. Or else, I'm more than happy for you to just piss off once and for all.

I don't know who it was who said Porus should be Punjab's hero - you or the other one. Otherwise why the eff would I bring Alexander in this discussion? He ain't my bloody hero. He was one blind glory hunter. It was you who utter another highly ignorant and stupid gem like how Porus 'resisted' Alexender (well duh! he was a King who had a large army - what else was he supposed to do than to fight - write poetry perhaps?) but conveniently ignored the fact how he became Alexander's server later. So much for resisting, han? How desperate are you to impose these Kings as 'heroes'? I didn't throw a single name to suggest who should or shouldn't be Punjab's hero.

No I'm not acting smart or nor I am some racist or xenophobic who thinks everything is perfect in Punjab as long as sons of soil are in charge. The Biradari system is indeed a curse. Punjabis need to liberate themselves from this ancient and repressive class system, and they are trying and have made considerable progress. Thanks to urbanisation and nonexistence of ethnic based politics, it is not as difficult to fight this curse as it could've been if Punjab was still a primitive tribal society or caged by feudal system.

219

Re: End of the past?

most of these words and your British slangs are beyond my vocabulary, so apply them to yourselves. Get it?

Don’t behave like almighty who know what people are thinking, this is what called being bloody judgmental and you are an ideal example of that. You have proved it time and again.

the discussion of Porus was with reference to if rulers are to be portrayed as heroes than why imported one? use local ones instead, which at least give an impression that local shown resistance and just didn’t welcome every invader with ‘Bhali kare aaya’ or ‘ji aaya nu’.

Your desperation came without knowing the syllabus being taught here, which you yourselves agreed in your posts. See how keen you are to give judgements without knowing ground realities. When people were posting examples from the texts that how invaders are glamorised at the cost of minorities feeling, you never gave damn to it. You were just busy throwing labels at posters as usual.

Now go and piss off once for all , as I’m putting your retard self on ignore list :wave:

220

Re: End of the past?

If I am judgemental, then you are an illiterate retard who cannot read. Not once, have I defended, supported or even denied what is written in Pakistani textbooks, considering that was the filth you grew up reading. Bloody idiots, desperately pleading for hero worshipping of some docile local Kings in the name of teaching proper history. I am not surprised why racists like you wanted to replace one extreme with another because that’s only how likes of your work. And that was my problem - replacing religious bias with racial zeal - but you being a numbskull proved it how you didn’t get any of that. Instead acted like a scummy Mullah and dragged religion into it to show yourself to have a better moral high ground. A dumb racist’s attempt at inventing blasphemy when there wasn’t any or could’ve been.

I am more than happy to be on the ignore list of a xenophobic twit and a retarded wrist slitter. Go eff yourself, you piss bloody taker.