Empathy is mostly western thing, I have seen really horrible things back home and in Africa also and many people just don’t have conscience. I had seen the older UAE Sheikh Sultan Al Nyhan in Morocco on a pedophilic tourism and old age didn’t make him a nicer person, I had watched this documentary where old Saudi men were lining up to buy child refugee girls so I really don’t subscribe to that when we get older we might become better human being. The right beliefs and thoughts make you a better person. It would be very hard for people who grow up in misogynistic society to subscribe to gender equality. In the west women are a lot more powerful than men now, and they are now as men did abusing their powers.
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Once again YUGEEE judgmental downpour from babby pai. Empathy is everywhere humanity is found. Its in north, south, east and west. There are some nicest people in east as well which is still called land of Sufis and there are some really really terrible people in west as well, also used to be called as wild wild west. Good and bad people are everywhere.
But I guess you see what you want to see. Bobby pai sees all golden in west and all black in east.
Anyhow, sorry OP your thread is derailed in the last posts. Lets get back to it.
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So where was the downpour of empathy when millions of Bengali girls were gang raped and millions of civilins slaughtered in Bangladesh. Not a single word of apology, not a single arrest for war crimes not a single person feeling guilt. In Rwanda, they hacked 800k people with machetes and no overt display of guilt. Those 8 middle eastern men when they gang raped the dutch girl you truly believe they feel guilt. In the unidays we all knew of these rapists and I looked them up on fb they have grins on their faces living in a lap of luxury. People do have empathy but how much is the question. Empathy needs to be taught at a very young age. Just imagine how many soldiers would have been involved in that rape and yet their wives never left them.
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“millions” is outright bogus number that you have come up with just like your other fake stories. Now provide a link which says “millions” were raped.
Now how about the scores which were raped and massacred in Bosnia? Oh wait, that must be some Pakistani doing that right?
How about the whole human smuggling traffickers centralized in Eastern Europe?
how about that child pornography network across entire west? Just yesterday a republican legislative was caught in a hotel with teenager boy.
And the list goes on and on and on.
But once again the problems lie in your uni-dimensional mentality in judgement. Now I understand you might be in hot water living in Pakistan and then when you fled, you got refuge and some respect but that doesnt mean you show wild slandering on half of the world.
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Here is a sample video for you.
People were tried and convicted in Bosnian war as war criminals, Russians and many Baltic regions don’t subscribe to western morality of humanism. I did draw your attention to the documentary claiming 85 percent of street children back home are molested and there is no empathy for them from the general population. Child traffickers and exploiters get severely punished here. When 85 percent plus women complain about abuse and when women protection bill is blocked by religious parties and labelled as blasphemous than it really isn’t generalization or is it. We certainly earned our stripes for being one of the most dangerous place to be a female and ranking one of the lowest in gender equality..I guess must be a massive conspiracy or bobby pais figment of imagination.
So how many women were gang raped in Bangladesh should there have been an inquiry and atleast a few people hanged for that if you feel that it was not a big deal then here lies my argument about lack of empathy.
And how about Imam Meccas fatwa to slaughter Shia men and rape their women, would men raping shia women be seen as cheating on their wives or performing a duty.
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splitting the thread after it being derailed … once again.
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@shaasavera I would love to hear about stories of empathy from the east, I hear that western aid for famine stricken people is stolen from them. Saudi king is travelling with 500 tonnes of luggage including golden escalators etc while millions of Muslims are dying. Saudi old men are purchasing lil Syrian girls and this is empathy for troubled fellow humans. I am not talking about skin color but about western philosophy of humanism. They raised over a million dollars for the Kansas victim of hate, did any eastern person show empathy for the family of Daniel Pearl who was beheaded in Pak for being Jewish? Bill gates, Buffet and many other billionaires have committed all their wealth for charity. There you have politicians and corrupt people stealing from the famine struck poor people.
At our work with staff in few hundred we raised 150k for united way. When someone tried fundraising for earthquake victim at a Pak gathering people yelled and argued with the fundraiser.
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O bhai once I dropped my wallet in a taxi somewhere in Karachi. In few days I got a call from Alfalah bank in Lahore that they have my wallet with all credit cards etc. Apparently the cab driver saw one Alfalah card and sent the package to them who later sent it to me.
There are countless real stories out there. But once again, you hear what you wanna hear. Thats all.
I just wonder if thats kinda unidemensional approach can be counted as bigotry.
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Of course ad hominem is the go to technique for weak arguments. Show me improvements in rape stats of children, acid attacks, police and custom corruption, violence against women, gang rapes etc then we have a discussion. How many people marched against rape of Yazidis, and slaughter of Shiaas. Of course talking about human rights is bigotry. Again your arguments support my argument of lack of empathy. There doesn’t seem to be an improvement in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, ME countries and Africa.
You are lucky you got your wallet back, I had to bribe the customs guy, the guy in charge of my luggage and was cheated and lied to at every business transaction I made when I last went there 25 years ago. These nice Punjabi friends would gloat about their upcoming visit to Punjab for months and got robbed the first day they got there. Another one of my friend rushed back home as his brother was murdered for trying to collect rent from the tenant. Another Canadian family had their child abducted and never found him, mom went crazy. My friends father died when he went to visit and decided to get dental work there as it would be cheaper the dentist used a used syringe on him and he contracted hepatitis. Lets not even talk about donkey meat, dog meat, milawwat in life saving drugs etc.
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I haven’t read this whole thread but just judging from the title I’d like to believe that empathetic people and good hearted people are everywhere. I’ve spent almost all my life in the “west” so I can’t really judge other cultures but I’ve heard many good stories of people going out of their way to tend for others in other parts of the world as well.
My dad would tell us stories of when he would occasionally visit a poorer area of Pakistan and even though the people had nothing, they were always so hospitable, kind, considerate. They would often share everything they had.
Just a few days I do I had to go downtown and took the train for work. There was an older lady who came a little later and was standing as there were no spots to sit. No one got up for her. I waited a bit then gave her my seat and she kept saying no but I wouldn’t want someone older than my parents to be standing for the whole train ride back home (about 50 mins) so I took the plunge and stood. Contrastingly, my family and I recently came from umrah, and I remember feeling so odd because whenever I took the shuttle to Haram and I was standing the men always got up and gave up their seats. Women and children were almost never left standing. It was a different experience as living in the west almost all my life, I thought it was so weird because no one does that here. I don’t want to derail the thread and these are my personal experiences but I truly feel there are some really good hearted people at all parts of the world.
There is no place on Earth where everyone is either good or bad, or empathetic or non empathetic. Our levels of empathy are always changing as we learn to become more caring and considerate. I’ve always found myself to be more empathetic when I get tested in life and something bad happens. It breaks me open and I learn to cope with the difficulty and then let that never happen to anyone around me. It helps me see other’s pain even when they don’t express it. It lets me see other’ hardship even when they make it seem things are going well. I think the most empathetic people are ones who go through the most hardships in life, learn from it and then go back to make a difference because they can just ‘feel more’.
I often read Humans of NY and Humans of Pakistan on FB and some of the stories…ahhhh heart breaking and almost all of them make me so thankful and allow me to see the good in others. What good (or bad) we see in others and in life is often a reflection of us and what’s going on inside.
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**Hey Bobby1 does that include Empathy shown towards 6 million Jews, Gypsies and Catholics Em-pathetically Gased by fellow Empethatically Superior Westerners..???
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I totally respect the values that you and other young ladies here have and you are really awesome people and there are other real ugly truths for eg Saudi King traveling with 500 tons of luxury items including gold escalators etc while muslim world suffers is disturbingly unempathetic. Someone wrote about 4 famines hitting Muslim world yet the Saudi king needs a gold escalator to travel with him.
Please read the article
Saudi king takes 506 TONS of luggage for trip to Indonesia | Daily Mail Online
The other side of Saudi Arabia is abuse and rape of domestic workers.
Yet another side of saudia is padophilic sexual tourism to poor muslim countries.
I feel that Saudi Arabia is a dark place for humanity.
A place where rape victims gets punished by public flogging, political oponents beheaded and crucified and lets not even start with the Saudi atrocities in Yemen.
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I think Europeans and Americans dying to save the jews would be classified as an act of empathy. Again I am talking about the western values of humanism and not fascism. For you and me to be accepted by law as having equal rights under the law is a result of humanism and migrants treated worse than animals in ME is lack of empathy. would u agree?
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**I am not going to defend what the ME peoples do to migrants…as long as you do not forget what The Highly Empathatic Europeans did to the Native Indian Nations’ mass Genocide as well as systematically obliterated the Indian food supply by destroying the herds of Bison!..a very humanitarian act of supreme Empathy…Western style… called the “Rservations”…plus ****the supreme Kindness we desi’s can call it “Soanay pe Sohaga” of “Supreme Empathy and Kindness” shown by the White settlers towards the forcefully migrated and enslaved African Population!
Bobby1 we don’t see things as they are; we always see things as WE are!
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I am talking about modern day humanism and our day to day life and of course I am fully aware of historic atrocities even in Cambodian war, in Africa, Tunisia and genocide in Congo. I think after females gained political power and after leaning a lot more towards secular values things changed.
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BUAHAHA… So the guy who floods almost every thread, no matter what its about, with his own bragging Anecdotes is calling it a adhominem here? Man you are hilarious 
And no, I wasnt lucky. I just encountered another honest person among millions out there who is buisy in making halal rizq and even when he found a door to do something unethical, he didnt do it.
As for other improvements unlike west where millionaire businessmen open a charity organization to take a heavy tax break and make black money white, this work is done by extremely ordinary people.
For example, when a poor memon fellow named AbdulSattar Edhi started his work decades ego, he didnt do anything on his own. He just asked from others. And millions and millions of other common merciful people gave him in abundance. Several Edhi offices still provide dinner to general public, like everyone and I myself was a witness of it. How is that foundation doing it? Just with the help of other fellow Pakistanis.
In 1992 when a guy named Imran Khan went out to collect money for one cancer hospital that can provide free treatment to poor people, who helped him? All these average people whom you look down upon, they did it. They are the real heroes. Now a third hospital is being built just with the help of people.
In 2005 when there was a devastating earthquake, every single living soul in Pakistan opened their heart and gave as much as they could. Every family from Khyber to Karachi contributed. They didnt wait for government, they didnt wait for foreign aid etc they did it on their own.
And you keep listing these efforts like SIUH’s Dr. Rizvi, Ansar Burni, Chipa etc and there are unbelievable beautiful people out there. Ofcourse like every other society there are bad guyz as well. But that doesnt wipe out the efforts of good guyz who are in majority.
But here is the ironic thing:
NONE of these things that I mentioned or will mention will ever count in your eyes.Why? Cuz your mentality is 99% same as those white supremacists who see everyone in the East as crap. But the most funny part is that ,you are not even a white. You are a dirty brown who is a ‘wanna-be’ white. So keep going with your BS and leave the great people of East alone.
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So if there is so much kindness then why do humanitarian agencies report that 90 percent of the 1.5 million street children get molested, why is there no protection and support for them, why has no one ever been hanged. Mostly here we call people who defend atrocities as enablers. There needs to be a lot more people like me who protest these atrocities. So if there is so much empathy then why are kids starving in Thar whereas corrupt billionaires living sickening life of luxury. Plus here is what USA did for the Earth Quake victims
United States - The United States announced that it would provide an initial contribution of US$156 million (PKR 3 billion) for emergency relief in Pakistan, and teams from the United States were the first on the scene to deliver assistance. The (United States Armed Forces - Wikipedia) also provided supplies and assistance. As of November 3, the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) has 933 personnel providing relief and reconstruction assistance in support of the Pakistan earthquake relief effort. Five CH-47 Chinook and three UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters are being moved into Pakistan immediately, and a C-17 Globemaster III military aircraft has already been assigned to bring blankets, tents and other relief supplies to the victims. The 212th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH), established October 25 in Muzaffarabad, currently has 36 Intensive Care Unit beds, 60 intermediate minimal care beds, and two operating rooms. To date the MASH has performed 46 surgeries, and treated 548 non-surgical patients. Furthermore, a 23-member logistical support group is also being dispatched from McGuire Air Force Base in New Jersey. The United States Agency for International Development has provided more than US$41.8 million for relief work in Pakistan, including nine completed airlifts of relief supplies. The airlifts delivered a total of 45,000 blankets, 1,570 winterized tents, 6,150 rolls of plastic sheeting for approximately 30,750 families, 15,000 water containers, 17 water bladders, 2 water purification units, 10 WHO emergency health kits, and 20 concrete cutting saws. USAID has also committed funds to the UN, other international organizations and NGOs. On Wednesday, November 9, 2005, business leaders from GE, UPS, Pfizer, Xerox, and Citigroup met with President Bush at the White House to announce the launch of the South Asia Earthquake Relief Fund and website.[SUP][50]](International response to the 2005 Kashmir earthquake - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][51]](International response to the 2005 Kashmir earthquake - Wikipedia)[/SUP][SUP][52]](International response to the 2005 Kashmir earthquake - Wikipedia)[/SUP]
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O thank you so much Parveen bobby pai for proving my point that you are simply a wanna-be whito with eyes and years sealed with “east-phobia”. The funny part is even most western people (not supremacists) realize that the actualy emphatic soul is derived and thrived in East.
Thats ok, for you there were several proverbs created. One of them is something like “Kawwa chala hans ki chaal..” though I’m not referring goras as hans at all. I think brown people are far more beautiful.
Either way, when you list US’s blessings dont forget their bombing on Children hospitals, pakistani base in Halala and killing of innocent people from crazies like Raymond Davis in Lahore and yaadi yada yada.
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Again personal attacks, why not discuss the rape and slaughter of Bengalis, molestation of children, 85 percent women reporting abuse, acid attacks, gang rapes, honor killings, sectarian massacres, rampant corruption, milawwat in dawa and food. I ask you about child molestation and your response is kawwa billi. If you want to discuss the topic then let us discuss these things.
During our NED engineering 3rd year Industrial rail tour a bunch of the quota system sons of feudal lords grabbed a blind 14 yr old beggar girl at Multan station and took her to the shunted rail car and lined up and raped her and later all laughed and gloated about that, guess what they all would claim as to how great the morals of that society are. Calling me names wont solve those problems, people have been doing that and that is why there has been an increase in molestation cases in 2016. If being a humanist makes me Kawwa billi then so be it.
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Ashton Kucher’s speech on human trafficking, sex slavery, rape and child prostitution by Pakistanis… Oh no, its by → Americans. Outch!
