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By the way guys, Channels will be back on the air by Monday
Re: EMERGENCY IMPOSED IN PAKISTAN
Sa1eem:
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to extend that CJ was releasing all terrorists
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CJ was not releasing all terrorists. He was releasing people who were detained for no reason. These people did not have a single case against them. The Court asked government the reason why they were detained, and Musharraf's Army generals had no answer and no reason.
How can you call someone a terrorist without proof? What if I call you terrorist? Will you accept it? What if you call ME terrorist? Will I accept it?
Musharraf and his coterie are only using this excuse to justify their coup against the Courts.
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Unfortunatley, in order to solve the menace of terrorism, we need to go Saudi Style
Saudis managed to wipe out Al Qaeda from their country by doing this
Pakistan should do the same
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actually security forces/army had killed more civilians than so-called masked terrorists. so it is a crime to murder civilians and there is a law against it and CJ is for that law only. also CJ was personally taking interest in missing persons cases which had direct implications on mushy. that was the very reason CJ was sacked by mushy to begin with. so who is breaking the law here then? mushy who is kidnapping his own civilians...killing his own people...making deals with corrupt and killer politicians...all this for what? to stay in power bcos his man has gone mad. a mad man might be ok for you but not for those with sanity.
You tell me that is it not law under Pakistani existing constitution that security forces cannot kill anyone in the country and if they do, they can be answerable to court? And if it is so, than how can you expect that any security force can act against terrorists (because 1973 constitution does not recognize terrorism)?
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Sabse pehle Pakistan - says Musharaff
Here’s the video of his address :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7070000/newsid_7077000?redirect=7077016.stm&news=1&bbram=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&asb=1
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Dude ppl in pakistani are turning into extremists because of mush's policy.
It's not just Musharraf's policy. Musharraf does not act alone. All Army generals around him are equally responsible for any such policy.
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I am no Musharaff supporter. I am not even a Pakistani.
But I am curious...if you really think.... that if democracy (in its pure form) were to be restored in Pakistan - the "extremism" situation in Pakistan would improve.
Under a democratic setup - tough decisions are much harder to take. And the current situation in Pakistan warrants tough decisions. That is all I am saying.
Musharaff may be an a-hole - but really I don't see any better alternatives.
Dont' you worry about that, you know pakistan more then some very vocal pakistani GS members.
Your view of mush fighting extremists is very west like. People are actually are fighting "mush" not army or not pakistan.
Even army and police in some cases are not convince if they should fight mush's war.
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Well, ok ... then if security force fire and kill a masked terrorist in Wazaristan, what would you call that? It would be unconstitutional and unlawful killing because his highness CJ did not approved that, right? Surely that person acted without any law as there is no law that security force can shoot at citizen, however bad that citizen maybe, thus those that would dare to kill this terrorist would get punished by Supreme Court, right? So, if security personals are throwing arms and not fighting terrorists because patron of terrorist is CJ of Pakistan, it might be fine with you, not with many.
It was your hero who let these things fester and if he had nipped the whole thing in the bud instead of playing politics and trying to use it to perpetuate his own rule than we would not have been in this situation. The person responsible for increase in suicide bombing in Pakistan is Musharraf.
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Well, ok ... then if security force fire and kill a masked terrorist in Wazaristan, what would you call that? It would be unconstitutional and unlawful killing because his highness CJ did not approved that, right? Surely that person acted without any law as there is no law that security force can shoot at citizen, however bad that citizen maybe, thus those that would dare to kill this terrorist would get punished by Supreme Court, right? So, if security personals are throwing arms and not fighting terrorists because patron of terrorist is CJ of Pakistan, it might be fine with you, not with many.
Get the facts straight. Pak Soldiers withdraw from that part of World for their sake of muslim solidarity as they refused to kill or fire at Taliban (as far as I know they considered Muslims). This is the mere reason for it. And as far as Taliban and Waziristan is concerned, ISI in Cooperation with CIA while backed by Pak Army have provided to much space for them. This is now the out come and Mushy knows very well who is responsible for this mess.
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Unfortunatley, in order to solve the menace of terrorism, we need to go Saudi Style
Menace of terrorism as nothing to do with current situation. Emergency is imposed only to get rid of a CJ whom Musharraf disliked extremely.
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and with that ladies and gentlemen, we as a lousy pakistani nation are saved from certain doom and gloom. who gives a rat ass about martial law in pakistan when channels are back on air and ppl can enjoy thunkay of ashwariya rai and brainless batting of afridi [getting out on 0 again i guess]…:halo:
God bless pakistani nation especially M2k for whatever reasons only he can think of. 
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All you Mush haters are over-reacting to this as usual
Channels will be back up by Monday
I was saying all along that Mush needed to do this to take on extremists
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Menace of terrorism as nothing to do with current situation. Emergency is imposed only to get rid of a CJ whom Musharraf disliked extremely.
Of course it does.
Bangladesh imposed a similar emergency rule and they have rounded terrorists, corrupt politicians
Pakistan was reeling under waves of suicide bombings like never before
the only solution was to declare a state of emergency and go after these animals with the full might of Pakistan Army
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Average Pakistani doesn’t know whats good for him
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It was your hero who let these things fester and if he had nipped the whole thing in the bud instead of playing politics and trying to use it to perpetuate his own rule than we would not have been in this situation. The person responsible for suicide bombing in Pakistan is Musharraf.
Well, first of all I do not consider any person ruling anywhere or any politicians as my hero. If anyone does any good I appreciate that and if they do any bad I abhor that.
Now regarding killing such things you are claiming in the bud than that needed to be done in late 1980s. As for Lal Masjid fiasco, if government had acted early than most people would have said that these people were not such a threat and government over reacted. I think that what government did with Lal Masjid fiasco was quite appropriate.
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You tell me that is it not law under Pakistani existing constitution that security forces cannot kill anyone in the country and if they do, they can be answerable to court? And if it is so, than how can you expect that any security force can act against terrorists (because 1973 constitution does not recognize terrorism)?
No, its about rule of law mere dost. Arrest terrorists, bring them to court convict them and hang them. As a lawyer I'm all for it, and thats the normal procedure in a civilized world. But govt absolutely has NO right to arrest anyone w/o charge and locked them for indefinite period. What if that happened to your family member would you still support this stupid policy?
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You tell me that is it not law under Pakistani existing constitution that security forces cannot kill anyone in the country and if they do, they can be answerable to court?
Unfortunately, many in security forces and Musharraf's govt. are not fully committed to fight against Taleban.
And CJ did not stop them from fighting people trying to kill Pak forces.
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You tell me that is it not law under Pakistani existing constitution that security forces cannot kill anyone in the country and if they do, they can be answerable to court? And if it is so, than how can you expect that any security force can act against terrorists (because 1973 constitution does not recognize terrorism)?
and you are telling me that security forces have full power to go around killing innocent people? where is the justice then? those who lost loved ones...who will provide justice to them? if your family is killed by these same security forces wht will u do then? go n kiss their hands and bow to them for getting rid of your family for you? there are rules and regulations security forces must follow to minimize the loss of human life. but who gives a **** about human life in pak. and for your kind info, security forces get their orders from their superiors, who are answerable to mushy. so it boils down to mushy's desires to kill how many innocent people. also a good grade from USA means lots of money, don't forget that carrot on the stick.
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Well, first of all I do not consider any person ruling anywhere or any politicians as my hero. If anyone does any good I appreciate that and if they do any bad I abhor that.
Now regarding killing such things you are claiming in the bud than that needed to be done in late 1980s. As for Lal Masjid fiasco, if government had acted early than most people would have said that these people were not such a threat and government over reacted. I think that what government did with Lal Masjid fiasco was quite appropriate.
NO, he used the lal masjid issue to divert attention form the CJ issue and in the process harming Pakistan's interests.
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Of course it does.
Bangladesh imposed a similar emergency rule and they have rounded terrorists, corrupt politicians
Pakistan was reeling under waves of suicide bombings like never before
the only solution was to declare a state of emergency and go after these animals with the full might of Pakistan Army
Oh I see, so Bangladesh is now free of corruption.