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outlook is useless. Got far to many security holes, and as most of the world use it or Express perfect opportunity to exploit.
You said it in your very first post risc! Since most of the world uses it, its a perfect opportunity to exploit it. Regardless of which software it is, if its widely used, it becomes a target.
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Yes BUT it's not JUST becuase everyone uses it.
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Yes BUT it's not JUST becuase everyone uses it.
We won't know until everyone starts using your favorite email client now will we?
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Hang on I am not here to show you exploits, you said show me one I did so.
CURRENT version of outlook has many flaws. Many are not disclosed. So you are saying the fact content can exploit crap code of outlook is not MS fault but the virus creators solely?
You are just a BS artist, that is all.
Current version of outlook has many flaws? LIKE WHAT? Which FLAW did YOU discover that we don't know?
I did not say content can exploit "crap code of outlook." I want to know what you use as your email client? Can you write a better code? Something that integrates with 10 other applications and still works flawlessly for 100s and 1000s of companies and millions of users?
Read carefully:
OUTLOOK is used to PROCESS emails (send and receive). Outlook or microsoft DOES NOT have any control over users and WHAT TYPE of emails they send using OUTLOOK. If I send you an email containing virus/worm and you open it resulting in down time for the whole network... is that because of OUTLOOK / Microsoft or your own stupidity for not implementing anti virus measures?
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You do act a bit thick. If I get a virus it does not mean my computer is going to execute it now does it. You dont even need to open the file with Outlook hence **** CODE. Yes I can do better and my mail application integrates with ANY application or system service.
I do not need to disclose any of the confidential information. Strategic interest for my firm to keep it private. Plenty of public known exploits anyway.
You dont know what security is. In fact I don't think you know the security implications I am talking about
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As an example I could send you a virus infested e-mail. You DO NOT need to open it. Just coming into your Inbox can result in a a buffer overflow, my payload such as a remote shell or trojan can infest itself.
Virus scanner? How does your scanner deal with unknown code. What if my shell code is polymorphic. How do you detect that?
I am certainly not some stupid BS artist like YOU.
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You would know a preview is where you click on a e-mail for actions. NOT OPENING.
and more: http://www.iss.net/threats/251.html
Now how does that make Outlook so secure? or you going to open more BS from that mouth of yours.
I’ve worked with people like you. The type who are all high and mighty. Don’t take any notice of others, get hacked, get your data stolen ring someone like me and then annoy the hell out of the person their to fix your problems. Hope your inbox gets attacked soon. TaRa
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You are using security holes from last year and years before that to prove your point in TODAYs environment.
Again, WHAT security hole did you discover that is not documented or made public?
Which client have you made that is more secure and integrates with 10 applications and still works flawlessly?
The main point here is that software will have issues and bugs but the most important thing is whether or not those security holes and bugs are patched, fixed.
I’ve worked for number of big companies (HP, IBM, kubota, cingular IT security), never was outlook* (even when it had holes)* the reason for network intrusion.
You are one of those losers who hate microsoft yet use their products and software to do day to day tasks. You boast about making software that is better, more secure than what MS has to offer yet you fail to name one security hole which you discovered in outlook (the ones that were not made public ooohhh im scared 
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Do you think all known exploits are public? if so more fool you. I can not disclose everything I come across. Many things are known by others; not public
And some software seems to have more than others.
I certainly am not a looser idiot like someone I know. I never boasted about MAKING software that… if I wanted to I could but see no reason to reinvent the wheel. If you really want to know what I use well it’s Emacs.
Now hop along to the cave you came form.
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Spare me the "i'm an insider" bullcrap.
Once a bs artist, always a bs artist... you can't name ONE security hole that you discovered? And that resulted in compromise of the network? You are moving between claims and blames rather than proving your point with some solid evidence of what you are claiming as "security holes" that no body else knows about other than you. BS.
You use Emacs (a hideous looking display editor that looks worst than windows 2.0) yet you claim to have this secret knowledge about hidden security holes in OUTLOOK.
It took 10+ replies for you to swallow question regarding the email client that you were using... how many will it take for you to spit out the hidden security holes that only you know?
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What an idiot. I have told you more than once I will not disclose everything I come across. Why cant you understand that? do you have problems#
I did NOT calim no else knows about them either. Just that they are not public knowledge. loads of discoveries are not public knowledge. A whole industry exists on discovering and selling exploits. So STFU.
You are not worth arguing with.
Emacs; well you stick to your glossy crappy outlook. Emacs can do a lot more than that piece of **** you use. What is so wrong with Emacs? must be really crap that practically everyone I know (not two bit idiots like someone on here) use it or vi.
In fact take a look at wikipedia:
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Emacs is a class of text editors, that have an extensive set of features, that are popular with computer programmers and other technically proficient computer users.
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the fact you use Windows says everything. Now FO
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Stop this nonsense guys!!! Use your personal favorite but leave others alone. Enuff with the name calling already.
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The fact that you use *wikipedia *for information, says it all. Thank you.
Oh and no need to curse at me to prove your point… you can’t validate your claims so you curse? Shows what you came across was nothing but your own cooked BS, BS artist.
The fact of the matter is you don’t know what you are talking about. You can claim and blame but when it comes to facts and proving your case with solid evidence, you have nothing.
If you had some competence in you, you wouldn’t use emacs but make your own. Yet, you make an ass out of your self with baseless claims that you know about certain security holes in outlook that no body else knows but you. 
What is benefit of you KNOWING when you can’t share with others so it can be fixed? Or do you like to use such asinine claims so that you can hide behind them and act as if you are some insider? Guru that uses emacs/vi and relies on exploits from 6 years ago to make a case against MS/outlook.
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now your argument is I use software written by thousands of others so that's bad. Well why dont you wrote your own OS?
You are stupid. Plain and simple. PROVE ME WRONG THEN. How is outlook more SECURE than Emacs for handling mail and usenet. Know it all build a case to prove me wrong. or you gonna piss off where you came from. Outlook charail.
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What is benefit of you KNOWING when you can't share with others so it can be fixed?
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Why doesn't every company publish every bit of research it does for everyone in the world? whose gonna pay your bills, how you gonna pay for your fookin food. As I said a WHOLE INDUSTRY exists around researching and selling exploits. Are you just plain STUPID.
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baseless claims that you know about certain security holes in outlook that no body else knows but you.
Can you not read English. Really are thick.
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I did NOT calim no else knows about them
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Leaving it at that. This person needs psychological help. Unless you prove a LOGICAL case against me I wont reply. PROVE that Emacs is LESS SECURE than outlook. A hint for BS talkers like you would be C++ V's Lisp.
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risc you need some psychological help as well.. i understand that Outlook as flaws, every freaking software system in this world POTENTIALLY has flaws.. so lets close that chapter.. you like red, i like blue .. no worries.
The fact is that as a software developer you should know that every piece of code that is executable is potentially hackable. If you don't agree with this then you have a long way to learn in software world.
Cheers,