Election Commission under 'fire' from fake degree holders

When TuQ and Imran Khan were saying that the Election Commission is partisan, PPP and PMLN were alleging that both parties are playing games on the behalf of establishment and they are trying to degrade the Election Commission. Now as the Election Commission has asked 250 parliamentarians including Ch Nisar to submit their degrees, the same ‘protectors’ of Election Commission have started doing propaganda against it. :slight_smile:

http://dawn.com/2013/02/21/ec-attracts-na-ire-for-politician-bashing/

**ISLAMABAD: For some of its officials’ acts, the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) came under fire in the National Assembly on Wednesday for a perceived pre-poll politician bashing and the house decided to send a bipartisan committee to plead for a more respectable treatment.
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After a furious opposition leader, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan of the PML-N, protested against an apparently impolite and threatening letter he said he had received from a commission official to verify his educational qualification, Law Minister Farooq H. Naek termed the behaviour a “witch-hunt”, Speaker Fehmida Mirza asked all parties in the house to nominate their representatives for the committee to be formed by Thursday.

But no names were given during or after a heated discussion marked by an unusual desk-thumping and cheers from the main parties for one another’s speakers, some of whom also complained about the role of unspecified media outlets in “vilification of politicians.”

The nerves of lawmakers seemed eased towards the end of the evening sitting when the house unanimously adopted a key government bill seeking to strengthen provisions of the existing Anti-Terrorism Act of 1997 against terrorism financing, and heard Inter-Provincial Coordination Minister Mir Hazar Khan Bijarani express satisfaction over the result of negotiations of a government team with the leaders of Hazara Shia community in Quetta that ended a sit-in over the massacre of over 90 people in Saturday’s bombing. The session was adjourned until 11am on Thursday.

Chaudhry Nisar, who braved what he called terrible back pain to stand up and speak against “across-the-board vilification of parliamentarians being painted in the media as fraudsters, fake degree holders or tax evaders,” and particularly about a letter he said he had received from an ECP director — reportedly also sent to 249 other legislators — threatening that their degrees would be treated as fake and criminal proceedings would be initiated against them if they failed to produce their matriculation and intermediate certificates.

**Informing the house that he had done his “O Level” and “A Level” from a foreign university, he said instead of complying with the directives issued in the letter, he would write a letter to the ECP, asking it to withdraw the objectionable letter sent by its director (legal), Sanaullah Malik.
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The opposition leader, who asked the commission not to turn itself into a “media house” to defame parliamentarians, proposed formation of a joint committee of parliament to take up with the commission matters about its procedures.

Mr Naek, whose brief speech was greeted with as much applause by opposition members as Chaudhry Nisar’s tirade received from the treasury benches, came out strongly in support of what he called the “truth” in the opposition leader’s speech. The minister said “writing such letters is a witch-hunt the ECP is engaging in” and demanded withdrawal of the document.

He said the commission was acting beyond powers vested in it by the Constitution by stopping development or other grants — like one made for the Pakistan Bar Council — before the announcement of election schedule.

Support for the opposition leader’s case also came from the government-allied PML-Q’s Mohammad Raza Hayat Haraj, who objected to a reported decision by the commission to publicise details about families of parliamentarians, and Riaz Fatyana who sought, without success, a ruling from the chair against the commission’s directive to stop release of development funds before election schedule.

Muttahida Qaumi Movement parliamentary leader Farooq Sattar, whose party quit the PPP-led coalition last week, sounded a somewhat discordant note by warning against making the commission controversial, and said verification of degrees should be accepted like verification of voters’ lists in Karachi.

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Chaudhary Nisar, says that he'd ask the election commission to take back the orders and he wont comply and provide them with his degree... :p

These are our champions of democrazy.

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Yeah , Some other dirty people are also a part of this all against the election commission .

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why can't election commission understand simple point: degree degree hoti hai, chahe asli ho ya naqli

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How dare people ask them to detail their financial status? It is below the parliamentarians to file tax returns, let alone tell anyone about their educational credentials or family members. This is absolute disgrace to someone who has such great ambitions as to serve the ordinary human beings living in this country.

Aik taraf sey 'bloody civilians' aur dosri taraf sey 'zameen ke keeray makoray'.... that's the status of us 'awam'.

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Yep, these MNAs/MPAs have been sent down from the heavens for us. How can they be questioned on anything?

Another joining of hands by PML and PPP for mutual benefits. Bottom line is, these two crooked parties do not want to see a 3rd power.

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^ bottom line is khao aur khanay do. PPP has been looting for 5 years and PMLN has kept its eyes closed (under the guise of saving democracy). The next 5 years would be the other way around. The people will keep on getting poorer (and the country will keep going down a steep slope) where as the bank balances of a select few will keep on increasing. Like some intelligent person once said "democracy is the best revenge".

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** Thi khabar garm keh *Ghalib *kay urain gay purzay
Dekhnay ham bhi giay thay par tamasha na hoa **
تھی خبر گرم کہ غالب کے اڑیں گے پرزے
دیکھنے ہم بھی گئے تھے پہ تماشا نہ ہوا

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^ LOL bara munasib sher kaha hai :k:

I was under the impression that having a degree was no longer required to contest elections? Didn’t they repeal that law?

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Not required now
This was about previous assembly
Some thing for ‘Nirralas
Ch Nisar was educated in same college where Imran was reading and very interestingly he was captain of cricket team and Imran was kept in the team for some … reasons but he was given a position of 12th man and never played a match for the famous college of Lahore .

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In all fairness, if the PM can be forced to write a letter to the Swiss against the president, whats the issue with writing a letter to a clownish opposition leader, asking him for his credentials? Something smells. Impartial EC, maybe not? The concept seems to be fading away.

EC commissioner should remember that these are elected members, and they owe the public all such details. Dare I say, shame on Fakhru bhai for apologizing on this.

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Common knowledge of someone's education credentials is not a replacement for documentary evidence. Common sense. And if Chaudhry Nisar lost his head while captaining Aitchison while Imran never played a match, what difference does it make in the larger scheme of things? other than you getting a few kicks out of writing something about Imran?

And even if it is not a requirement now, it would have done no harm to Chaudhry Nisar or Farooq Naek like idiots to be respectful in their approach to the EC commissioner. Instead, we find the EC Comm bowing in respect to these idiots. Poori tayyari hai election mein dramay ki.

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It seems as if Ch Nisar has started spreading hoaxes as well.

Dunya News: Pakistan:-Fake degrees’ issue not withdrawn: ECP …

ISLAMABAD: In an official statement on Friday‚ the Election Commission of Pakistan said that hoaxes were being spread in the media that the fake degrees issue has been suspended.

The ECP clarified that it had not withdrawn from the fake degrees issue and rather was steadfastly determined to implement the judgment of Supreme Court in letter and spirit.

The process of verification of degrees shall be completed so as to achieve the objective of Article 62 and 63 of the Constitution, the statement said.

According to an ECP spokesperson, the members of Parliament, whom the ECP wrote letters, were bound to submit their degrees’ record.

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deadline ends today…

MPs degree verification: ECP deadline ends - geo.tv

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223 MPs deemed to be fake degree holders as ECP deadline expires? - thenews.com.pk

ISLAMABAD: The degrees of a total of 26 MPs out of 249 have been verified and found genuine as the 15-day deadline set by the Election Commission of Pakistan ended on Friday.

The end of this deadline raises the question about the validity of degrees of the remaining 223 MPs, who have not responded positively to the direction of the ECP within the deadline. The ECP’s letter of Feb 7 had clearly stated that those who would fail to submit their degrees within the 15 days would be treated as fake degree holders and face criminal proceedings.

The ECP on Friday clarified that it has not withdrawn the fake degrees’ issue and resolved to implement the judgement of the Supreme Court in letter and spirit and the process of verification of degrees shall be completed so as to achieve the objective of articles 62 and 63 of the Constitution of Pakistan.

The ECP clarification dismissed the impression given by media reports about the chief election commissioner’s telephonic talk in which he was reported to have said that the ECP letter was uncalled for and was issued without the consent of the commission.

The ECP’s clarification does not say anything about the cancellation of its Feb 7 letter which, if implemented in letter and spirit, would mean that the 223 MPs who did not submit their degrees during the set deadline are deemed to have fake degrees and are now bound to face criminal proceedings.

The relevant part of the Feb 7 letter of the ECP reads: “The Honorable Election Commission has taken a serious view for the delay in completion of verification process and has directed that it should be completed without further loss of time. It is, therefore, requested to produce original Secondary and Higher Secondary School Certificates or copies thereof (duly verified by the Board of Intermediate & Secondary Education concerned) before the Higher Education Commission, Islamabad, within 15 days of the issuance of this letter failing which your degree/Sanad will be treated as fake and criminal proceedings will be initiated against you.”

According to sources, within the set deadline the following 26 MPs had submitted their documents and were subsequently verified by the Higher Education Commission to have genuine degrees: Muhammad Tariq Khattak NA-5; Jamila Gilani NA-Reserved seat; Muzafer Ul Mulk NA-29; Shaukatullah Khan NA-43; Arbab Muhammad Zahir Khan NA-4; Usman Khan NA-12; Chaudhry Wajahat Hussain NA-104; Dr Haider Ali PF-86; Humayun Saifullah Khan NA-27; Farzana Mushtaq NA-Reserved seat; Malik Jehan Zeb PP-269; Parveen Masood Bhatti NA-Reserved; Bushra Rahman NA-Reserved; Mehreen Razzaque Bhutto NA-Reserved; Usman Ibrahim NA-95; Begum Naseem Akhtar Ch. NA-Reserved; Shakeel Bashir KPK-19; Arifa Khalid Pervaiz PP-Reserved; Malik Jalal-ud-Dhakku PP-222; Khalid Javed Asghar PP-108; Arshad Abdullah PF-18; Dr. Imtiaz Sultan Bukhari NA-Reserved; Malik Shakir Bashir Awan NA-70; Mrs. Sumaira Naz NA-115; Mir Qamber Ali Ghichki PB-41; and Ch. Abdullah Yousaf.

While the above 26 MPs responded positively, 223 did not bother to respond to the ECP’s deadline. The irony remains that the PML-N and its top leader in parliament Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, who have been criticising the present regime for violating the Supreme Court orders, have publicly criticised and opposed the ECP’s move to get the degrees of 249 MPs verified despite the fact that the ECP and HEC are implementing the 2010 order of the Supreme Court.

It is interesting to see the PML-N is taking a stance on the issue that is contrary to the order of the SC and goes in favour of suspect degree holders hiding among this group of 223, whose degrees remain unverified.

Now that the ECP has stated that it has not surrendered on the issue of fake degree and has also resolved to implement the SC’s order in letter and spirit, all the eyes are set on the commission and its chairman Fakhru Bhai as to what action they would initiate against those who had not submitted to the ECP’s deadline.

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.....and Imran went on to become the most successful cricket player and captain for Pakistan (as admitted by almost all cricket experts, not me). Chaudhry Nisar, however, was called 'Mr Bean' and made fun of for more than a year by Mr.Anwer Pasha on PA.

Imran hiself admits that the was not a good player earlier on and was ridiculed by his family when he said he wanted to become a cricketer. Poori story sunaya karain na uncle.

About degrees, well, the ECP required the great people who aspire to become our representatives to disclose their educational qualification in the nomination papers. This hurt a little. The ECP also required financial situation of those great souls who want to lead us for the next five years. That hurt much.

I condemn ECP for asking such questions from the selfless leaders who sacrifice so much to contest elections so that they can work hard to solve our problems and make this country a heaven on earth. Shame on ECP.

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Are you not supposed to submit education details before becoming an MP? :s

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^ the parliamentarians have submitted details of their education, the election commission is asking them to submit attested copies. The hue and cry by the parliamentarians depict that they could be fake which is a crime. The ECP is asking them the details of their families and their wealth details etc. the people who want to rule the country don't want to take the people in confidence.

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Is it the same time frame when Zardari put shoe bomb or was it when BB was keeping guys happy in college days?