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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
The 'us' vs. 'them' = The Free World vs. the terrorist scum attacking civilians. I choose not to equate Islam to these terrorists. Apparently you do.
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seminole, great thoughts, appreciate your sentiments.
The Serbian army was a well-equipped, state-of-the-art land force...The Bosnian army was made up of ragtag village boys, and they imposed an arms sanction on whom? Take a guess...It got so bad, that president of Bosnia at the time, Izetbegovic said, "Either give us weapons, or let us die in dignity...Artrocities were committed in the name of Christian fundamentalism that would rival those committed by the Nazis...And are now being carried out today in the name of Judeo-Christian thinking everywhere...Man, you guys need to take Islamic and Middle Eastern History...I took it man and it was awesome...
Lajwab good points about what was going on in Bosnia then. But you did not mention who protected the bosnians, pushed away the serbs and provided refuge to many. When US went in and saved the life of countless muslims, there were many fundementalist christians in diff countries who did not want US to attack and had their arguments just like those who did nto want deswert storm had their arguments, there were others who were concerned about regional stability, but had it not been for US taking a leadership role at that point and ousting slobodan and his goons, no one would have saved the bosnians. None of these countries that are now jumping up and down, none of these "conspiracy theory" focused groups who can scream and shout all day but did not do jack for the bosnians.
I for sure will not know some wonderful people who were not only saved by US intervention but were given opportunities to come to US and start their lives here. I go to a mosque which has many Bosnians there and those that i know will tell you that had it not been for US, they would not be alive today.
As its stands, US in my view has saved the lives of more muslims than any other country in the world, atleast since I have been reading news.
How can I be not with US, how can i be not with Islam. damn proud to be both.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
.........It should be noted or observed that though US is a "secular" country it intervened in East Timor only to support Christians to break up that country..............
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If the country is secular, that does not neccessarily mean the elected leaders are athiests. Everyone has the right to be biased towards the plight of people of their religion. How often do you hear muslim leaders object against the atrocities commited against christians in most Islamic countries. ........... The answer is NEVER.
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where was that 'secularism', 'democracy' when Saddam was using American supplied gas, weapons on Kurds?
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What did leaders of Islamic nations do? ......... Nothing.
Was it not their responsibility first. I don't recall any objections comming from them then.
"If you expect good from others, it would be nice to occasionally be nice to them too." ........"me"
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How often do you hear muslim leaders object against the atrocities commited against christians in most Islamic countries. ........... The answer is NEVER.
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the answer is every friday. if your definition of a mulsim leader is the imaam of a mosque.
if by muslim leader you mean government, it was pretty evident what the leaders of those countries had to say about the 9/11 attacks.
The mistreament of christians for the most part has been within a country, not with a muslim country hurting christians in a different country, thats the difference. domestic clashes dont make headline news quite as often..a few people killed here a few ppl killed there, vs a war scenario with bombs dropping in a diff country.
as far as christians getting killed in muslim countries, believe me the type of groups that do that have been killing one another off too, extremist groups of muslims that dislike one another.
I know ur ideology is alive n kicken and is wiping out any man,women or child who stand in the way of you accuqring ur selfish materialistic intrests:
And lets not forget Japan. Where American dropped nuclear bombs in Nagazaki and Hirshomia killing over 200,000 ppl (this was at a time when the japenese were abt to surrender).... oh yea i guess USA has got a valid excuse for that and it happened 50 yrs ago!
And lets also not forget Vietenam, where USA carpet bombed the country with orange gas...oh well guess USA has got a valid excuse for that as well and it happened abt 30 yrs ago.
And lets not forget the 500,000 Iraqi kids who have died because of the UN sanctions. The sanctions have not affected Saddam one bit but the UN still contines the sanction knowing full well that they will affect the citezens of iraq and not saddam!
USA's peace loving froeign policy :Yes, via their foreign policy (COLONIALISM) they raped, they looted, they killed innocent people (like now in Iraq), and they brought Terror to the world in the name of peace (like now).
clubber, who are you talking to :P
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*Originally posted by clubber lang: *
I know ur ideology is alive n kicken and is wiping out any man,women or child who stand in the way of you accuqring ur selfish materialistic intrests:
And lets not forget Japan. Where American dropped nuclear bombs in Nagazaki and Hirshomia killing over 200,000 ppl (this was at a time when the japenese were abt to surrender).... oh yea i guess USA has got a valid excuse for that and it happened 50 yrs ago!
And lets also not forget Vietenam, where USA carpet bombed the country with orange gas...oh well guess USA has got a valid excuse for that as well and it happened abt 30 yrs ago.
And lets not forget the 500,000 Iraqi kids who have died because of the UN sanctions. The sanctions have not affected Saddam one bit but the UN still contines the sanction knowing full well that they will affect the citezens of iraq and not saddam!
USA's peace loving froeign policy :Yes, via their foreign policy (COLONIALISM) they raped, they looted, they killed innocent people (like now in Iraq), and they brought Terror to the world in the name of peace (like now).
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[2.11] And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.
[2.12] Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.
[2.13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.
[2.14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.
[2.15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.
Salaam to all.
I'm briefly back after a number of hectic few months.
Getting back to the post.
Always with Islam.
Bush has to be the most intellectually backwards president of modern times. He's been watching one too many John Wayne movies.
He does not do America justice. Because not all Americans are backward, stupid, arrogant idiots. Some of them actually know Iraq is a country! Sorry Americans, but let's face it, you are one hell of a stupid race.
What Bush should do is come clean about Americas oil reserves due to dry up by 2020. By then, if George W Dumbo has his way, the oil will come from the United States of Iraq.
Wake up.
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He does not do America justice. Because not all Americans are backward, stupid, arrogant idiots. Some of them actually know Iraq is a country! Sorry Americans, but let's face it, you are one hell of a stupid race.Wake up.
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Which parts of the Quran teach you to be so malevolent? I'd like to know so I can skip those parts.
btw, Americans are not a race. Americans are represented by every race on earth.
And from where do you hail where the populace is so much more intelligent?
Seminole
You are right. Americans are not a race. They are a set of people combined from all over the world. I was expecting no-one to pick up my error. After I'd posted, I'd realised my error but did not have time to amend. You do Americans proud!
Anyway, similar to all Muslims being labeled as terrorists due to the actions of a few. Even the latest NASA disaster mentioned terrorism!!!!It is only fair that all Americans be labeled as 'arrogantly stupid'!
Unfortunately it's not very nice when you are on the receiving end.
Never mind. Long live stereotyping and profiling.
Something American idiots invented.
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Anyway, similar to all Muslims being labeled as terrorists due to the actions of a few. Even the latest NASA disaster mentioned terrorism!!!!
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Did they mention terrorism or Muslims? Seems like you are the one doing the profiling.
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Never mind. Long live stereotyping and profiling. Something American idiots invented.
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You didn't answer either one of my questions. Which part of the Quaran teaches such ugliness? Where does it say that if some people of a group stereotype the ummah, it gives Muslims the right to respond with equal disdain and contempt? I personally have never labeled all Muslims as terrorists. I would appreciate the same respect and request that you don't label me as stupid and an idiot because of my nationality.
Islam being the way of life and America a nation, well they simply are not mutually exclusive.... What of those muslims in America huh? American muslims should hold firm to there identity and work towards better relation in their society.
by the way is this another HT article???
so essentially our HT types have yet again failed in their idiotic argument of whether one can support islam or USA. Interestingly enough their viewpoint is the same as some racist rednecks in US who think that muslims can not be loyal and patriotic americans.
Aside from all the hot air and rhetoric, the basic premise of islam and US being mutually exclusive has fallen flat on its stupid face like most other idiotic arguments by HT and its minions.