Either you are with Islam or With America!

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  • The choice betwween Honour and Humiliation *

Dear Muslims… It is imperative for you to perceive that your power is magnificent and that you are capable of repelling America from the region and even from eradicating her influence and her agents. America has succeeded in monopolising the reins of international initiative and has taken up the position of the leading superpower in the international arena, thus running the affairs of the world unilaterally, but she could not deal with you in the region by concentrating her concepts and spreading her civilization amongst you.

If her might and overwhelming power have had an impact in making her reach this position, your doctrinal and material powers, coupled with your cultural and historical heritage, are alone sufficient to get rid of her; yet the hatred and resentment that all the peoples of the world harbour against America, as well as your own hatred of her and of her civilization, serve to act as an added advantage.

We say to you that you are facing two issues: either you side with Islam and sacrifice your lives, properties and children for its sake, and let Allah (swt) see from you what makes Him prouder of you before His angels, or you allow America to inflict upon you the gravest crimes and annihilate the remainder of what you have in your life of this glorious Deen. You will then remain under the influence and dominion of America and America will continue to inflict calamities upon you day and night, plundering your resources, killing your men and corrupting your life; this is what Allah rejects for you. Allah (swt) says: "Unless you do this there would be tumult and great mischief on earth" [TMQ].

Dear Muslims from among the people of power and salvation… You have no excuses left before Allah, for the rulers' treachery has been comprehensively exposed.

** So who is going to help Islam, elevate its status and safeguard it so that it may be implemented upon people and carried to the world, thus salvaging mankind from the calamitous legacies of the inhuman Capitalist system that America and the rest of the Western powers implement and sponsor? Who is going to defend the suffering Ummah apart from her audacious children, who will offer their flesh and blood so that she may exist as a mighty, glorious and feared nation? Who is going to help the grieving, the widows and the weak to eradicate the injustice they suffer and restore their dented pride, thus gaining exaltedness and the honour in this life and in the hereafter?**

We say to you that you have no other choice but to remove these rulers and hand the reins of power to Hizb ut-Tahrir, or be the hand that helps America in dealing Islam and the Muslims a severe blow.Let it be known that the path of heroism and bravery is that of our fathers and ancestors, so are you going to emulate them, so that you may gain the honour in full and so that goodness may spread amongst the whole of humanity?

"Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; for this, heaven is awaiting them." [TMQ]

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Yawn, you guys must be really loosing your "jihad".

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Islam OR America??? Why does there have to be a choice? I much prefer Islam IN America!

:k:

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is cut n paste competency a pre-requisite to become an HT goon?

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agree

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In any case even America is super power or strong and distrurb me.

I M ALWAYS WITH ISLAM

Islam is best. Islam zindabad
:jhanda: :jhanda: :jhanda:

I m ready for jihad against America. :soldier:

Any body else is ready for jihad? :rocket:

Dear mulims this our test from Allah ???
Please be serious.

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OK, finally tally time. How many have left America? :D

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The title does not suite the Islamic ideology. Islam always has given a third choice to the oponent. And that is to be neutral and not to interept its business with other.

This is a copyright protected phrase for DAJJAl "Either you are with me or with Enemy, you do not have any third choice". And we have witnessed the similar kind of words after Sept 11. Didn't we?

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How can muslims compare supporting america as equal or better than supporting islam i don’t consider muslims who choose america over islam as sincere muslims and there loyalty is with bush not Allah(swt)!

the ones who say well we support both really also need to question themselves because on day of judgement when they asked same question they will say yes we support islam but today they saying we support both :confused:

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Supporting both is not mutually exclusive. It is nonsense to say you can't practice, praise, worship and follow any religion in America. Just like it is to possible support Clubber Lang, Ivan Drago and Apollo Creed.

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America IS the best place to choose Islam, whoever thought up this ludicrous thread should be spanked with a rubber hose, this country guarantees freedom of religion, unlike paki land where shias are killing sunnis, sunnis are kill shias, muslims are killing christians. I'm sorry, but I prefer to stay in the good ol US of A and practice my religion without any fear rather than be in the so called "Islamic republic of pakistan" and worry about getting shot for my religious beliefs.

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it is this kind of non-sensical fundamentalism that leads to destruction of the religion. why are you insulting every muslim in the US? that's why you end up with dictators decade after decade! america is the country that has been influencing the world to give loans and aid to pakistan. don't bite the hand that feeds you! I am sure even Allah teaches you to show some gratidude!

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I see posts with common sense from muslims as well as non muslims noting that being a muslim and being an american or supporting botyh is not mutually esclusive.

what is it that HT does? brainwash kids completely? what happens when they finally get out of state funded schools and have to get jobs to support themselves, do they get a reality check then or are they still living in their khilafa-fa land then too?

I think HT should just add an "a" after the H in their acronym and an "E" after the T, that would be more descriptive of their ideology.

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The constitution of the United States of America may very well have been based on judeo-christian principles, however it is safe to say that it is NOT a Christian nation. All are welcomed to live, work, worship and practice their beliefs here. If America were against Islam as many radicals claim, entry into the states would be prohibited for muslims. So please get this out of your heads that there is a conspiracy cookin' somewhere.
Intrestingly, on the other hand, take a close look at nations like Saudi Arabia. It is apparently impossible to practice any other religion other than Islam there.
My mother always told us that everything in life comes with a price tag. Almost nothing is free. If we are fortunate to live in a land where we enjoy freedoms that people of other nations can only dream about, then it is imperative that this freedom be defended against those who pose a threat to it. If this is the price we have to pay, then so be it.
What amazes me is that many muslims claim to have a good life here, but still quite a few want to wage "jihad" against it.

Here is my take on the issue of the inevitable war.
America should use means other than bombing innocent civilians in order to rid Iraq of Saddam. Some muslims may be offended at this but think about it. Hittler claimed to be a christian. Yet he acted contrary to the christian teachings. There never has been or probably never will be a single person responsible for the death of millions of humans.
If satan claims to be a believer should we defend him?
Is Saddam worth our approval, just because he put the slogan of "Allah is Great " on the Iraqi flag? Let us not foget, In the past, he has used chemical and biological weapons against the Iraninans and the Kurdish people of his own nation.
So folks drop the emotions and look at the big picture. Maybe the Iraqis need a break from this tyrant too.

"Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind."
-John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Yet:

"Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being."
-Kahlil Gibran, "The Voice of the Poet"

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Seminole: *
Supporting both is not mutually exclusive. It is nonsense to say you can't practice, praise, worship and follow any religion in America. Just like it is to possible support Clubber Lang, Ivan Drago *and Apollo Creed.
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The question is simple you with america or islam Bush made the statement now be brave enough to choose and stop hiding like cowards and making excuses!

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by blitz: *
The constitution of the United States of America may very well have been based on judeo-christian principles, however it is safe to say that it is NOT a Christian nation. All are welcomed to live, work, worship and practice their beliefs here. If America were against Islam as many radicals claim, entry into the states would be prohibited for muslims. So please get this out of your heads that there is a conspiracy cookin' somewhere......
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Though I don't agree with what many have posted, esp the main post, it does not mean that I don't agree with anyone. It should be noted or observed that though US is a "secular" country it intervened in East Timor only to support Christians to break up that country, it supported Bosnia/Serbia conflict when Bosnians started to get help from other Muslim countries.... now where is that "secularism"?

where was that 'secularism', 'democracy' when Saddam was using American supplied gas, weapons on Kurds?

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*Originally posted by IvanDrago: *The question is simple you with america or islam Bush made the statement now be brave enough to choose and stop hiding like cowards and making excuses!
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The 'us' vs. 'them' = The Free World vs. the terrorist scum attacking civilians. I choose not to equate Islam to these terrorists. Apparently you do.

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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
with America ofcourse! what a silly question
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...And you would side with the people who are descendants of the same people who enslaved, ridiculed and subdued you over those who lived as your neighbours for almost 900 years?... Good for you man...

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
The 'us' vs. 'them' = The Free World vs. the terrorist scum attacking civilians. I choose not to equate Islam to these terrorists. Apparently you do.
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...The same free world which has manipulated, intervened and spied on other countries to ensure its existence...The same free world which has forgotten do unto others as you would have others do unto you...Do they really want us to behave like this with them when the Muslims have the upper hand? Which they will of course...The same free world which spawns countries like Israel and sponsors its forces to dispense injustice...The same free world which conducted experiments on it sown soldiers...Man...I can go on...But you get picture...I hope...

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There is not a mutually exclusive choice between Islam and America. Just because some run of the mill, HT freak poses a choice to me does not mean i have to make the choice.

just because someone assumes they are mutually exclusive does not mean that they are.

and if we are at just giving people lame choices, I recall a famous joke in Pakistan.. "deni hai ya thanay jana hai" translation ..you are going to put out or should you be thrown in jail.

This is what I know..

when muslims were being killed in Bosnia, it was US that pressured the rest of the world to put a stop to that killing. Our Khilafah buddies were still just passing fliers out, while americans, muslims and non-muslims donated freely to improve teh situation of Bosnians, The holier-than-thou-bandwagon was still writing open letters. When US soldiers were setting up camps for Bosnian mulsims and giving them food and supplies, the groups in question were holding meetings and were saying "down with UN, down with US, down with UK" while sitting in the UK.

aa jatay hain kahan kahan say uth kar baat karnay..