Ego

Ok, so here is a real life problem. There is a guy, who is subordinate to me in terms of standing, but he knows a LOT when it comes to one topic area. That ONE topic area - in other areas, I’d say he’s average, or at least he knows how to get away with it when he’s not sure of something.

So, I have to work with him AGAIN on an upcoming thing, and the area we will be focusing on will be HIS area of expertise. Now to put it in perspective this guy is from India, has way better basic training than I do prolly with the way some of their schools are, and to top it off, he’s done a lot of research in this area, so he knows things like the back of his hand. He can quote stuff that I have no use in memorizing, since I wont be using it in the future.

So, although I’m higher than in him in standing/years whatever, his knowledge is at the level of someone who is specializing in this stuff already.

Now, what gets frustrating is the guy has a huge ego, and looks down upon me already with little respect. Multifactorial I think.

He clearly dislikes Pakistanis, made fun of Pakistan once at work, which I thought was out of line, but I kept quiet about it
He and his friends - for sure - I know are the kind that view a woman is better left in the kitchen. Even made jokes at my expense over something like this which resulted in me reaming him out at work → this led to him complaining about me, and although HIS actions have been out of line and I was reacting, I was the one who got in trouble because he got to the bosses before I could.

Since then there has been bad blood between us, and usually I just ignore him and do my own work, and as our paths have not really crossed, it hasn’t been a huge problem.

However, I have to work with this a-hole again, and I find it hard to keep my cool.

Just last week, in fact, we were in a meeting, and he was trying to make a point that was far too advanced for the setting (we are not in a specialty conference of sorts, and you are NOT there yet, so calm down), to the point that even the lecturer was put on the spot having to admit he doesn’t know the answer to this guy’s question.

The lecturer and this guy went back and forth about something, and I made the mistake of impatiently piping up “I think you two are actually saying the same thing”, and he replies VERY IRRITATED “No, no, no that’s not what he’s saying” - as if admonishing me. Plus he has a heavy desi way of talking, so it comes across like he’s admonishing his kid.

I feel like kicking this a-hole’s ass back to India. First of all, he is taking up a seat in a position where even our own American grads are now having trouble placing, so be appreciative that you’re in my country, you prick. Secondly, he has no intention of staying here and working, feels his India is way better, and plans on going back. Great, then go back.

Third, I have no idea how to deal with a desi guy with a huge ass ego, that probably doesn’t like me for being a girl, muslim, and not as smart as him in his particular topic area.

We will probably have to occasionally help each other out in the next weeks to come, but we’re not directly working on the same tasks, but we will be in the same room and talking over cases in a combined fashion.

My tactic was to just ignore him completely and just focus on my work. But not sure how I’m gonna control my temper when he says something.

Re: Ego

Clearly, he is not the only one having ego problems.

Re: Ego

He gets annoyed with you because you fail to recognize his greatness to his face. Next time, just copy him. Imitation is the best form of flattery, PCG. You need to talk like him, walk like him, laugh like him, breathe like him. You'll end up conquering n taming him ..or..pissing him off. It's a win-win either way.

OR.....just hit on him. Pursue him with pit-bull tenacity. This'll get him on a plane back to India much faster. He'll be telling his whole family about you before IT guy. :D

On a more serious note....while he gets under your skin, you do admit that his education/training was better. Does that not make you disappointed in the education over here?

Re: Ego

yeah it does, but that's not something i can change. i can't change the system here, nor do I think we should all be walking around quoting studies the way he does.

he may know every study that has come out over the last 10 years, cuz he reads specialty journals to death (like I said, this is his research area), but that doesn't mean he has a clue on how to apply any of that knowledge.

He's great at book smarts, quoting stuff. Put him in a tough position in real life and ask him to apply it, and he can't. He often does what he's not supposed to do, but then wants to argue about it using the latest research trials that are not even built into guidelines yet.

So, it's hard telling him, well you can't manage a situation this way or try that way instead, cuz he'll quote some trial to counterargue, and comon, even specialists are not applying that data yet until it gets validated by multiple trials, discussed at various 100 meetings, and then gets built into guidelines.

It's frustrating because yeah, you can't argue the research BUT you can't practice the way he wants to either - even his superiors have burned him on occasion, that no...that's not how you apply that info, but he doesn't get it.

Re: Ego

Let me give you an example that can be related to Life1. Let's say some research study came out showing that there are indeed more men than women in Pakistan, and you want to use that to argue against polygamy. You could wave it around and say well, the data just argues that polygamy isn't viable in Pakistan...

But do people who believe in Islam, and the institution of polygamy as religiously ordained gonna care about that data necessarily? No.

Because tomorrow, we could have an awful war, and all these men could die, and then we'd have a surplus of women, and then you could justify polygmay.

OR maybe there are details in that journal article, and they just looked at men and women of a certain age range, or they only sampled one province of pakistan that is safe from war, etc, where you would need to KNOW the details of that article to argue for or against it.

And then let's say you're having this argument with the said annoying GS user on your lunch break, and your break is over, and now you got other crap to do , and they STILL want to keep pushing this argument.

I guess that's as good of a comparison I can paint.

Re: Ego

That's not me having an ego issue, that's me having some damn patriotism about American jobs, and keeping our jobs in America for Americans.

Re: Ego

As per my dictionary I call it racism.

Re: Ego

lol..
what kind of "americans" are we talking about?
you know I hear that a lot from racists

Re: Ego

PCG thanda pani pio.. itna gusa naheen kerty

Re: Ego

:D
PCG do this.

Re: Ego

PCG act as professional and do your job....

Re: Ego

Ok so, if application counts more.....then let him fail at that. Eventually people have and do end up seeing that he can't put his knowledge to practical use....so quit getting worked up about it. Maybe he knows this about himself and compensates for it by spewing facts left, right, and center. Maybe he has it harder than you because other people ...besides you...also get put off by him and maybe what makes it even worse is that he's either oblivious to it or too stubborn to tone it down. That's gotta be rough... though he may never admit it.

Re: Ego

i sanse sum exshooal tanshun b/w u2 :o

Re: Ego

Shaant ho jaao, PCG! Maybe he'll make it up to you by marrying an Indian girl from the US.

@Slimy....what's up with the spelling? First hasban and now exshooal? :/

Re: Ego

you should inflate it.
eventually it will burst.
just keep a safe distance and enjoy the spectacle from afar.

Re: Ego

The professional way will be to acknowledge that he knows more than you in that particular field. Rely on your strengths. Get your basics in that area right, from a concise source. Do other things better than him like knowing the patient better, putting the whole case in perspective and not just one aspect of his illness.

BTW whats his area of expertise?

Re: Ego

^That, PCG.

Re: Ego

I would say pump up his ego like crazy and then watch him flail.

Re: Ego

oh gee i dont see why he doesnt respect you. have you told him you are american yet? he probably thinks you are just a pakistani..

Re: Ego

What is your definition of an "American"?