Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

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The problem was lack of information in the beginning. There have not been scholars of religion who took time to read up new scientific knowledge and those scholars of science who did not take time to learn how to explain to religious scholars and just called them 'jaahil'.

Whenever this happens, to be on safe side religious scholars advise caution.

Nothing wrong with that. This philosophy is used by everyone.

Fortunately with mass dispersion of both kind of knowledge, many people have come to good terms with each other.

Jaahil religious scholars and jaahil scientific scholars are still present though.

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^i quite didnt get it

ok, it's a a different question am asking, kinda off-topic.......IVF is allowed between married couple and so it's agreed upon, now let's say if there was no problem with either of them physically and they could have children in the normal way, will IVF 'still' be permissible to them or not?

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You are taking things out of context. Sharia is established by an Imam.

Which Imam made the judgement call?

Mr. Siddiqui being a EX-president of a north american islamic group hadrly qualifies as an Imam.

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Book 4, Number 1866:
Abu Huraira reported Allah Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There is an angel on every door of the mosque recording him who (comes) first (at the mosque for Friday prayer). And he [the Prophet] likened him as one who offers a camel as a sacrifice and then he went on in the descending order till he reached the point at which the minimum (sacrifice) is that of an egg. And when the Imam sits (on the pulpit) the sheets are folded and they (the angels) attend to the mention of Allah.

I wonder how sacrificing eggs compares with donating ova?

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What did you not quite get sa-Nafooz? Sorry if I was not clear.

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why not?

plus many cases of infertility are not because the dude is shooting blanks and the woman is not ovulating, so there is nothing physically wrong with them but there could be fertility problems regardless.

but lets assume that even that was not the case..

there will be no need for a couple who does not need IVF to go through IVF, its invasive, expensive and has risks, so no real reason for someone to do that.

however if they choose to do it anyways, I dont see a reason why it will not be permissible

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the problem was not lack of information, it was lack of focus, discipline, knowledge and regard.
the real scholars need to be on top of new scientific developments before they are even real, while they are in discussion and test stages. The reason the scholars did not invest the time to get up to speed was because it simply was not a priority for them.

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Exactly, this is what we say as third party.

Both scientific scholars and religious scholars were at fault though.

One did not want other to be considered worthy of exchanging the information and knowledge. We cannot just blame religious scholars alone.

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there was enough information out there and has been out there that scholars of other faiths had time to digest it ask questions and make their recommendations

our bhai sahabs did not bother..

at the end of the day, it was their responsibility to seek the knowledge, no matter how hard, and they did not, eventually they did, right, so it was delayed reaction rather than being proactive.

and there was more to it than timing issues, there were loud, very strong opinions from other ulema against it, without doing research. That is an issue, to be conservative and careful is one thing, but to come out and blast something without knowing jack is idiotic. Thankfully saner heads prevailed in the end.

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Sure they did. That is good and is getting 'better' day by day. :)

Even the most intelligent and most modern people of highest knowledge from highest of current day schools, universities and institutions from modern world made blunders after blunder. Didn't they?

Or Should we believe that these people never made wrong assumptions and were always correct in their assertion and conclusions?

Anyone who has half the knowledge of science will agree that scientific or modern day scholars have made too many serious errors and have caused people to suffer....not necessarily unknowingly.

So why we must criticize people who had no good means to get the knowledge?

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it’s fine now, i think i have got it, shukran:)

:hmmm:i get the reasoning now..

a couple who has got no fertility issues or anything can go through IVF if they choose to…that’s great news for some very ‘unique’ (or weirdos) people who want to do it in spite of having no issues:rotfl:

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lets not use blunders of scientists to excuse blunders of religious scholars. lets focus on religious scholars here.

I am not criticizing people who had no good means, I am criticizing people who did not put an effort into finding the knowledge or who had knowledge available but did not really put any effort towards it.
More than that I am criticizing people who should have said that they did not know enough about it to make a ruling but its better to be careful and avoid it, instead they went very vocally against it. so it was not they they did not have access to knowledge, they simply did not put enough effort to learn and then make a claim, they just spoke up against it as some sort of authorities, rather than admit that they did not know enough to make a call at that point in time.

before we go any further, I want you to read up a little bit on when IVF was in experimental stages, when it was tested, when it was available, what the initial reaction was by many scholars and how long it took for them to say its okay.

what is your definition of fertility issues. for someone who has no need for it, it does not make sense but the question was whether it would be okay from a religion POV. My view is that from a religious POV, if its allowed its allowed.

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it's not exactly fertility issues alone, i'm talking about quite a few things like when there's no problem as far as production of ova/spermatozoa is concerned.....no problem with fertilisation of the ovum....just no problem at all.....they are able to reproduce in the natural/normal way, but do not want to do so(avoiding physical contact maybe??)......so then i get it that it'll still be permissible as it's already allowed..or am i wrong?

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What I have been saying all along is that both groups of people of worldly knowledge and religious knowledge are to be blamed for confusion in earlier time.

IVF between married individuals is not prohibited and it is prohibited between those who are not. Surrogacy as per islamic rule is not permitted.

As I also mentioned above, until the knowledge is not clear and until knowledge is available, it is OK to hold the rains and make people not do the tacts and run for new innovations.

This philosophy is not uncommon in 'modern day'. For example if it is somehow not known that a particular drug or device to be placed in the body has not met the standard of medical care, then authorities do recall the items for safety of the people. Even if it is found later that the items were fine and safe, one cannot blame authorities to exercise caution and prohibit people to use it.

And IVF is not rocket science now a days and many common people understand it very well.

If anything, IVF was prohibited for surrogacy with strong words from the beginning and still is. And in that regard, religious scholars were right all along.

When we compare two groups of people, we should compare equally knowledgeable people, it is not fair to compare any (edited upon request) rural person with some religious knowledge with a scientific scholar.

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jaahil is such an offensive word, can u please replace it with something else?:hinna:

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I am sorry.

Maybe these are better words…Kam Samajh, Na Samajh, Not so enlightened, illiterate.

Deleted the word. :slight_smile:

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