Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

[Mirch]

Re: Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

Don't you even realize that contemporary methods of reproduction were kind of limited 1400 years ago. Life has moved on and so has the way a small number of people finding a way to reproduce.

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So what is your point ? a na mahram woman can donate egg to someone she is not married to ? Where will we draw the line ?
Think about it this way . A mother donates eggs to son , what will be the relationship of the baby to this dad ? Is he a dad or is he brother of his own baby ?

[burqaposhx]

@X2

errr huh?

Obviously anyone is when he/she gives the example of Mohammed pbuh adopting Zayd in a thread that is talking about egg/sperm donation or in-vitro fertilization.

Bhai, kul kulan other things will be banned just because Mohammed pbuh didn’t do because the required technology didn’t exist in his time.

[TLK]

So what is your point ? a na mahram woman can donate egg to someone she is not married to ? Where will we draw the line ? Think about it this way . A mother donates eggs to son , what will be the relationship of the baby to this dad ? Is he a dad or is he brother of his own baby ?

Can we give this situation a little twist? Lets say a woman, who is carrying her own fetus inside her womb, died within first few weeks. Are we allowed to transfer that fetus inside another woman to save the baby's life? What if the 'other' woman is the DIL of the dead woman?

[burqaposhx]

.... Think about it this way . A mother donates eggs to son , what will be the relationship of the baby to this dad ? Is he a dad or is he brother of his own baby ?

Well if you are asking someone to donate an egg, then don't ask your family members. Then you can avoid all the farzi scenarios.

And if you don't need a donated egg, then why go through the ringers?

Just say that "Allah has given me more than enough eggs". AlhamdoLillah.

And pray for others that they too have enough eggs when they need to make an "omelet". Ameen.

On a serious note!

God forbid if a couple is desperate to have a baby and the only way out is to use the latest reproduction techniques, then let them have a baby, why interfere in someone's personal affairs?

Anyone who is not suffering from reproduction issues, would never understand and thus never appreciate the solutions.

[X2]

@burqaposhx

Obviously anyone is when he/she gives the example of Mohammed pbuh adopting Zayd in a thread that is talking about egg/sperm donation or in-vitro fertilization.

Bhai, kul kulan other things will be banned just because Mohammed pbuh didn’t do because the required technology didn’t exist in his time.

The confusion may be yours since there was a post on the topic of adoption not being a viable option, which I had incidentally quoted in my response so I am as to why you would miss that.
the point was that someone was going all religious and saying adoption is not a good choice and I merely used their own frame of reference to answer to their argument.

[sa-Nafooz]

God forbid if a couple is desperate to have a baby and the only way out is to use the latest reproduction techniques, then let them have a baby, why interfere in someone's personal affairs?

Anyone who is not suffering from reproduction issues, would never understand and thus never appreciate the solutions.

no one's interfering in anyone's affairs, we're just trying to answer a question, or rather trying to find a solution that is right(according to islam)

and adoption is a good thing, highly rewarded one as providing an orphan/child with food and shelter is one of the best things soemone can do......but then when we see it from a different perspective it's not a really a good idea due to the mahram/na-mahram issues...unless if there's a harem and all, women and men live in different parts of the house.......

[burqaposhx]

no one's interfering in anyone's affairs, we're just trying to answer a question, or rather trying to find a solution that is right(according to islam)....

The right form for you to say is "solution that is right according to Islamic Sharia". As it is meaningless to say if anything is in Islam or not. The real code that we follow comes down via Shariah that has been developed many many years after the death of Mohammed pbuh and it was developed by mere mortals aka Imams.

Sure we can discuss Shariah's rulings or interpretations.

However until you have been there, you can't discuss it fully from all the aspects.

It is easy for a man or woman or religious orthodoxers who have not yearned for aulad for years without positive results. yes. They can all look into Shariah to find answers.

But someone who has longed for having a child, then every new technique available is worth considering.

Since the biology and science for such reproductive methods is only few decades old (at least for large scale use), no one will find the right answer from Sharia that was written 100s of years ago.

I hope you understand this finer aspect.

Thank you.

[diwana]

Now only if you were around in the prophet's time so you could have told him he was not pursuing a good option when he 'adopted' zayd.

That was before the Quranic verse was revealed and after revelation Zayd ibne Muhammad (SAW) was again called Zayd Ibne Tabitah.

Mirch's post is logical, but what you missed is that in this couple's case the woman can not ovulate, i.e. can not produce eggs, so IVF does zilch for them.

if the only options are for the guy to marry someone else, and if he is in US or Uk that would be breaking the law, or adopt, and before we get stuck on semantics... i mean to take in an orphan/abandoned child and raise him/her while observing the guidelines of raisins orphans.

Two mutually exclusive advises.

Meaning raising a child as adoptee has too many interactions and scenarios where guidelines will be broken.

[sa-Nafooz]

Re: Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

^ok then, i'll try checking my grammar and build up on my vocab before posting next time:)

there's no dispute about using different methods of reproduction as long as both the parties involved are married to eachother(ie nikkah)
if tht's not possible(in case one doesnt produce ova/sperms) then there's another option of either adopting a child or getting married to someone else.

[burqaposhx]

^ok then, i'll try checking my grammar and build up on my vocab before posting next time:)

there's no dispute about using different methods of reproduction as long as both the parties involved are married to eachother(ie nikkah) if tht's not possible(in case one doesnt produce ova/sperms) then there's another option of either adopting a child or getting married to someone else.

Sure this is your opinion valid in case you God forbid have to depend on the IVF. And others should respect your stance.

However please do not force others or sanctify your opinion just because this brand new method is not part of 1000 years old shariah.

[sa-Nafooz]

@burqaposhx

However please do not force others or sanctify your opinion just because this brand new method is not part of 1000 years old shariah.

err when’d i force others?
and i thought Mirch bhai’s post was very clear about what shariah has to say…that IVF ‘is permissible’ where the only ones involved are nikkah-fied individuals…

we’re merely dicussing and each one is trying their best to clearly state their views, it’d be highly appreciated if this discussion is not taken as ‘imposing personal stance’ on anyone:)

[burqaposhx]

......shariah has to say...that IVF 'is permissible' where the only ones involved are nikkah-fied individuals.....

Which Sharia are you referring to? Sunni Sharia or Shia Sharia?

In each case you have to be specific as to Imam Abu Hanifa Sharia or the one coming form other Imams.

[sa-Nafooz]

Re: Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

^so from islamic shariah, we now have sunni sharia, shia sharia, imam abu hanifa sharia?..seriously, how many more are there?:aq:

and i guess mirch bhai can answer that question since he was the poster of ‘sharia’ abt IVF and i so agree with it, it’s got references and they were enough for me:)

[X2]

That was before the Quranic verse was revealed and after revelation Zayd ibne Muhammad (SAW) was again called Zayd Ibne Tabitah.

Two mutually exclusive advises.

Meaning raising a child as adoptee has too many interactions and scenarios where guidelines will be broken.

the fact that he was called something different does not change that in islam there is no restriction on someone raising a child not biologically their own.

guidelines get broken everyday, if the concern is hijab then mamay chahay cousins are not mehram either nor are classfellows, but that does not seem to be an issue in society at large.

rest is easily manageable anyeways.

in the end I dont think god will have a huge issue with someone not observing hijab to the max if on the other side it meant that kids who would otherwise be exploited and abused got a good home life.

[X2]

@sa-Nafooz

^so from islamic shariah, we now have sunni sharia, shia sharia, imam abu hanifa sharia?..seriously, how many more are there?:aq:

and i guess mirch bhai can answer that question since he was the poster of ‘sharia’ abt IVF and i so agree with it, it’s got references and they were enough for me:)

we cant agree o lobster being allowed or not allowed, IVF and egg donation or surrogacy are at a whole diff level mon ami

[cricketplaya]

@sa-Nafooz

^so from islamic shariah, we now have sunni sharia, shia sharia, imam abu hanifa sharia?..seriously, how many more are there?:aq:

and i guess mirch bhai can answer that question since he was the poster of ‘sharia’ abt IVF and i so agree with it, it’s got references and they were enough for me:)

nevermind burqa, he likes to label his own thinking as Burqa’s sharia. There’s only one sharia!

[sa-Nafooz]

@X2

we cant agree o lobster being allowed or not allowed, IVF and egg donation or surrogacy are at a whole diff level mon ami

so confusing:hinna:
so now it’s true innit that IVF’s are allowed ‘only’ if it’s between a legally married couple?(forget the OP’s case)
and surrogacy is not allowed right?

@cricketplaya

nevermind burqa, he likes to label his own thinking as Burqa’s sharia. There’s only one sharia!

@Burqa’s shariah

one Islamic shariah all the way:hooray:

[diwana]

the fact that he was called something different does not change that in islam there is no restriction on someone raising a child not biologically their own.

I don't think I implied complete restriction of any sort. What I meant is that after revelation, the cultural norm to call someone and think of an adopted child is your own was negated. Hence the name was changed. This used to be old arab norm which was abolished. No value of 'munh bola' as real relative.

Now with that some rules were clarified like hijab and being able to marry with divorce individual of adopted person was allowed.

guidelines get broken everyday, if the concern is hijab then mamay chahay cousins are not mehram either nor are classfellows, but that does not seem to be an issue in society at large.

rest is easily manageable anyeways.

in the end I dont think god will have a huge issue with someone not observing hijab to the max if on the other side it meant that kids who would otherwise be exploited and abused got a good home life.

I hear you and completely understand what you are saying.

But for other side of argument:

1- People do not choose our relatives like chacha mama. In adoption we do something actively to bring and raise someone from other family.

2- Two wrongs can not be considered as argument for making one or both correct.

I am only speaking of guidelines and fully aware of guidelines broken all the time. It is all up to the person and his/her intention.

The problem and issue is so big in some situations that some consensus must be sought. Some methods must be adopted (pun intended) to find a happy medium. Let's face it, adoption is a complex issue even if you take religion out of it.

With respect to the issue of IVF, it cannot be accepted for unmarried couples by any guidelines.

In the end, people are free and no one should be forcing other person to do or not to do.

[X2]

Re: Egg Donation is it allowed in Islam?

IVF for married couples is allowed, although it took our scholars a little too long to say it was allowed.

surrogacy, egg or sperm donation is a whole diff issue

[Mirch]

Can we give this situation a little twist? Lets say a woman, who is carrying her own fetus inside her womb, died within first few weeks. Are we allowed to transfer that fetus inside another woman to save the baby's life? What if the 'other' woman is the DIL of the dead woman?

In this case the babay has taken life and mom and dad were both nikhafied already. My scenario is one in which baby is produced with donated egg of a na mahram.