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Why the education system is so complicated? I mean suppose a student would like be a ‘Doctor’ and he’s good in medical subject but due to non-related subject i.e. math, he coudn’t achieve what he’s struggling for. I wonder what math have to do with medical studies? Is it about 1 inch = 4 stitches formula?
No matter how much your certificates/degrees show A++ but if you poor in english than no job for you. 
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If a doctor does not know basic math or have decent command of english, I am not sure if I would trust him on taking care of my health.
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^ Exactly.
The math classes doctor's have to take aren't too crazy.
But I do get what point you are trying to get across...........then again I also feel like the way the education system is designed it makes for better all-rounded individuals
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its the fault of Christian & Jews. Yeah nuke them.
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You lead and then we will decide to follow tomorrow, tomorrow.
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I assume you or someone you know is pre-med and that’s the basis for the rant. Students (including myself in the not too distant past) tend to be overly short-sighted in what "they think" is and is not needed for their desired profession. However, it only takes a few years in the profession to realize what the value of what you learned in school.
I’d also like to say that it’s not always a matter of tangible efficacy of what you’re learning. Sometimes, you take challenging courses to build analytical and critical thinking skills that are cross-applicable in other areas as well.
Coming to your question, to my knowledge, medical students are usually required to take one year of calculus and a semester of statistics. Both very reasonable requirements in my opinion. Any doctor needs to practice logical and analytical thinking and math is fundamental to developing this type of reasoning. If this general argument doesn’t satisfy you, then here are a couple of examples I can think off the top of my head:
As a doctor, you’re also probably going to be reading publications reporting on the performance of different drugs, experimental designs, drug interactions, disease and symptom correlations etc. A sound knowledge of basis statistics is required to make sense of this type of information. Similarly, basic calculus may be required to use differential equations for determining half-life of medications and using other pharmacokinetics information to administer drugs properly.
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Well to be honest..i believe the reason behind any math is to challenge our minds. I take it as game. But as a doctor ya should know at least basics of math. And as i say..any bit of knowledge comes in handy.
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Lucid makes great points re:medical degree reqmnts.
On a different topic in desk schools to pass highvschool too much emphasis on science and math. Some kids just cant get these subjects . And end up struggling to pass high school and scarred for life. Parallel tracks needed.
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Great post Lucid. My problem is with History and Geography subjects that I had to study in high school. I was made to by-heart that Gary in Canada was famous for cotton. I still dont get how that information is helpful. Also learned that King Ashoka built good roads and the like.
History and Geography to a certain extent is good, but to drill to the level of details is not that great.
BTW I was educated in India.
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Great post Lucid. My problem is with History and Geography subjects that I had to study in high school. I was made to by-heart that Gary in Canada was famous for cotton. I still dont get how that information is helpful. Also learned that King Ashoka built good roads and the like......
Even Geography and History at times are useful for preventive medicine research, for example.
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I think lot of our study and syllabus adds to our knowledge.....
As far as school education is concerned it is foundation of future studies
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But I dont want to do preventive medicine research :pcg:
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if u ask me
most of the time people focus on theory,mugging up the subject and scoring high marks.........
there should be more practical stuff less theory. even learning a language from what i have seen there are like 3 subjects(english,sanskrit/hindi,local language) in india but none can use those languages for proper day to day communications
coming to topic
we had statics in 3rd sem i was studying biotech,first year all common subjects like civil,mech,eclectronics,engineering graphics (man those drafter)
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^^I can relate to you very well... Graphics suc*ed big time
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Great post Lucid. My problem is with History and Geography subjects that I had to study in high school. I was made to by-heart that Gary in Canada was famous for cotton. I still dont get how that information is helpful. Also learned that King Ashoka built good roads and the like.
History and Geography to a certain extent is good, but to drill to the level of details is not that great.
BTW I was educated in India.
Hey SR,
It sounds like your secondary education focussed too much on memorization and regurgitation of historical facts rather than discussion and discourse of history per say. Unfortunately, you’re not alone in this experience… it’s very typical, not just in India & Pakistan, but even secondary schools here in Canada.
That being said, I have special respect for people who’ve studied history the right way. Two of my close friends were history majors in University and they’ve gone on to professions in medicine and law. Another colleague who pursued a general liberal arts degree is currently a head honcho in the telecom sector. In addition to developing an understanding of how we as individuals are the sum of a vast range of past experiences, history leads to greater personal insight about cultural, political, social and economic factors that have shaped our world. If done right, studying history, or other liberal arts subjects for that matter, is a great way to develop skills that are universal and cross-applicable in a variety of domains. You learn good habits of thought – how to analyze ideas and data, and how to develop synthesized interpretations of facts and narratives. You are also well trained in expressing yourself well – both verbally and in writing, and this is helpful regardless of your desired professional career path.
The points mentioned above are just a few examples of why a University education in Liberal Arts is important and is quite well regarded in the West. My own undergraduate and graduate training is in the technical and business domains but often wish I had a more well-rounded educational background rather than a confined perspective rationed and imposed by the academic programs I undertook.
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Peace lethal kamikaze
Ah you see there is a big problem with the question ... I think ninja hattori has mentioned some of it in post #11 ...
But I would like to articulate the way I view this matter through a short history lesson ... :)
In the past there were hunter-gatherers, then people settled, there were farmers, then there was trade, then there was specialists trade and then service providers ... Now, the first set of "doctors" or let's say "physicians" were probably just people who had experience in doing certain procedures ...
For example in the UK, do you know why the hair dressers/barbers have red and white coloured cylinders outside their shops? These represent blood and bandages ... Yes, in the past barbers used to pull out teeth and amputate limbs ... these tasks are now given to surgeons and dentists ... :)
Meanwhile, there were places to learn about life ... we have the Greeks with their philosophies and other nations with the astronomy studies and the Islamic age of light - that had an explosion of academia and the universities were born ... People learnt that "trades" had a wisdom behind them and later - inherited trades became redundant and people had to go to the universities to learn ....
Today we are in the false belief that our education IS MEANT for our profession ... But you will find in history that medicine as taught in academic institutes is not a product of the medical industry ... Rather the academics learn about medicine because of acquiring wisdom, unlocking the mysteries of life and seeing how this points even to a great purpose ... Early the greater purpose was our worship, but today we have replaced this greater purpose in secular academics to "quality of our lives" ... morality is still there but begrudgingly so ...
On the other hand practical medicine has been refined from the barber trades -
Now it should make total sense why in practice that don't need things like maths to be physicians, but if you are studying to be a physician we have to learn it ... It is because when you study to be a physician as opposed to training to be a physician you are actually learning about life's secrets - not really learning the trade ...
They say "you cannot be an artist by reading about artists" ... but you cannot be an art historian/enthusiast by painting a thousand pictures either ...
Connecting academic subjects with trades is hence only a modern phenomenon and a fallacy to draw rational arguments from it that we should only learn what we are going to practice ...
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^ All this begs another question ... with what wisdom have the trades started to require academics to become the experts of those trades?
I would consider things like:
Hand-eye co-ordination
Tolerance to seeing blood
as required "qualifications" for surgeons ... it may be the case that subject matter experts will not make as many assumptions as people who have not studied the subject, because they are trained at questionning "why" something happens rather than looking at "what to do" when "something happens"
It is quite obvious to see that those who question "why" will have lower risks of failure ...