If a woman is getting a higher education especially in pakistan, and is thinking of staying at home.. should not study subjects such as medicine , engineering etc. WHY?
argument 1: because what is the use of studying so much if u r just going to earn that degree and stay at home raising kids??. by doing so, you r not only taking up a seat of indivisual who needs this degree for to find a job desparetly to support his/her family but also wasting your money.
argument 2: an educated professional man will feed the whole family, while for a woman its an option to work or not to work.
these arguments are for Pakistan only where unemployment is at a higher percentage.
( these questions were raised in a conversation i had with some family friends. what r ur thoughts and opinion on this? )
Women should even go for PhD if possible! Even if they become housewives they should be very well educated.
1) High education has positive impacts on children
2) A women can take care of herself by doing a job in adverse conditions.
3) Islamically, men and women should both acquire knowledge from cradle to grave. So women are no exception.
^ he wasnt against women's education.. his point was that dont waste a seat at professional colleges or univerisities like medicine engineering etc. if u plan to at stay home.. study arts instead ..or history .. do PHD whatever.. but leave those universities for ppl who actually need them (girl or boy)..since they have people dependent on them.
it is a bit sexist approach but it's true that the demand of educated brides has increased at least in the cities and in this busy world when men are at work and unable to give ample time to their kids then it's women who can take care of their kids for good upbringing
Hazoor (saw) said go to china even for the sake of education
so educating ourselves is a duty for all Muslims
suroor, i dont think that if u r getting a doctors or engineers degree, u r blocking anyone's seat, ye aap kee kismat thee aap ko seat mili, Allah kee marzi thee...aap ka interest tha is field mein toh aap ne ye field enter kee...
maybe a person who does not plan to work but is getting a masters in law for example might not have enjoyed doing arts...she enoys studying law then why shud she force herself to study arts...?
job is entirely a separate phase of life than education...
if ppl want to take that seat, they shud work harder and earn those seats on merit init...?
as for earning, haq halal kee rozi taxi chala k ya mazdoori ker k bhee kamai ja sakti hae...why shud men be ashamed of doing such jobs and only aspire to become docs or engineers? islam mein halal kee kamai halal kee kamai hoti hae irrespective of how u earnt it...whether u r a doc or a mazdoor..
what i have heard and seen few times is that, girls in pakistan mostly get degrees in medicine and engineering just to get good rishtas from foreign countries, once they get married and move there, they never bother to work in their field. On the other hand, the guy's side in other countries mostly look for female doctors and engineers girls in pakistan and once they get married they only want them to stay home. Why sarr khuppaying so much to get such degrees when u have to stay home.
interesting…one of my friends out here in the US got admitted to med school in a 6 yr program (highly competitive) and she’s decided that she wont practice medicine and she just wants a degree for backup…I think, personally, that if a girl wants to aspire to just a backup degree, then she really should not get the med school education at least (as an example) since its so competitive and people who want to practice medicine could really use that seat.
I dont understand why women who want a backup degree go for highly competitive fields like medicine…i mean, if you’re putting all the time and effort into it, i’d think you’d at least want to practice…
But a backup degree is definitely good, regardless of what country you’re in. For example, she could have very well done pharmacology courses as backup, or she could have gotten a bach. of science with education so she can do teaching, or whatever…there are so many things you can learn. I think grad school should be open to only people that are really interested in the field to work in it. However, you can still be an educated inspiration without going to med school
To the guys who complain that girls didn't allow them to get admission and then wasted their seats in professional colleges by taking admission, but never putting their qualifications to use in their professions after all... Dudes, you should have studied better than them and scored better to get in the colleges yourself. No need to cry tears now.
To the girls who spend years and years in studying for highly technical and professional fields like medicine and engineering, only to waste all that by not working in your fields to help your patients or doing your part ... baray afsoos ki baat hai.
A well-educated women is an asset anywhere be it home, be it raising a child, be it a clinic or be it in any other profession. No one disputes that. But if you have spend so much time and effort in studying for something so highly technical and professional, you should feel bad when you spend all that talent in taking care of home and kids only. You can do so much more.
argument 1: because what is the use of studying so much if u r just going to earn that degree and stay at home raising kids??. by doing so, you r not only taking up a seat of indivisual who needs this degree for to find a job desparetly to support his/her family but also wasting your money.
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now there is this typical pakistani thought there, i dont know who raised this question during the conversation u were having, but thats the way pakis think. they think that people only need education to get a good job so that they can get a better pay to feed their family. which is a total senseless idea.
it's true though in a way, you have to have a good education in order to get a higher post job and feed your family. now about ladies, people think that when ladies are gonna stay at home and take care of kids, then what is the need for their education? false concept here!---- women are the most important personalities in our society especially, balkay all around the world:
because most women have to stay at home and take care of kids and the house. the education works for their kids' better future. such women have a better idea and understanding between a good and bad. so they are the people who pass it on to their kids, who are gonna pass it on to THEIR kids and so on.
now if a mother is not educated and as her kids grow older, they'll see her not able to understand our own language that well or not able to help her kids in their studies. so if kids are between the ages of 5 and 12... they'll probably think that if our amma doesnt have it then probably we dont need it either, how come she's old enough (matlab knows everything better according to them) and she doesnt have to know what they have to study in schools. so they'll want to be like their amma. because kids spend most of their time with mothers.
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argument 2: an educated professional man will feed the whole family, while for a woman its an option to work or not to work.
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suroor baji, its just how our culture goes. now this point that women have an option of working and not working also includes a portion of our relgious beliefs. now, women are meant to stay at home and they can't go out without their husband's permission/or without letting him know. so some ppl think that its sort of a gunnah to let a lady stay out for so many hours. lekin i personally think that if the husband allows and if the woman is educated enough to hold a job and if they're having financial problems waghera then its a wife's farz to help her husband out! now this is what husbands have to understand.
^ its not about paki thinking chanda.. its about making use of ur education. i personally know girls who were in the honours roll in their institution, who r engineers, doctors, etc. and chose to stay at home after they got married. dont u think it's a waste of their money and time? they worked so hard all these years just to stay at home and raise kids?.. they dont need to be only doctors or engineers to raise kids at home.. u can be a good mother by doing masters in history as well.
In our culture, girls are not expected to work. it is their choice to have a career or not. If they do decide to work, good for them and the all the best to them.. but if they dont, no questions are asked. Whereas guyz are expected to work, support their families, and as far as i know they dont have much choice in that.
He wasnt denying the importance of education for women. He was just saying that if you r going to work so hard all these years , you should make use of it as well. other wise dont choose such professions because someone else might actually need that place to support their families, a girl or a guy.
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*Originally posted by Destinee: *
now there is this typical pakistani thought there, i dont know who raised this question during the conversation u were having, but thats the way pakis think. they think that people only need education to get a good job so that they can get a better pay to feed their family. which is a total senseless idea.
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many participants in this thread forgot what this thread was about. I don't think anyone disagree women's education. only Faisal and PCG made valid points towards the discussion, everyone else seemed to be preoccupied with the thought that this thread is against women's education.
looking at available education resources in Pakistan, its a waste of resources if ANYONE (regardless of girls/boys) takes up a seat in professional college/univ and then does not plan on using his/her degree. there are a very small number of professional universities in Pakistan, in any city. even though number of colleges/universities is increasing, but thats all in private sector where cost is well above head for many.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
To the guys who complain that girls didn't allow them to get admission and then wasted their seats in professional colleges by taking admission, but never putting their qualifications to use in their professions after all... Dudes, you should have studied better than them and scored better to get in the colleges yourself. No need to cry tears now.
To the girls who spend years and years in studying for highly technical and professional fields like medicine and engineering, only to waste all that by not working in your fields to help your patients or doing your part ... baray afsoos ki baat hai.
A well-educated women is an asset anywhere be it home, be it raising a child, be it a clinic or be it in any other profession. No one disputes that. But if you have spend so much time and effort in studying for something so highly technical and professional, you should feel bad when you spend all that talent in taking care of home and kids only. You can do so much more.
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Still will come in handy. Perhaps the woman doesn't work professionally but volunteers? What if the woman educates others voluntarily?
Perhaps the woman prefers to care for her children while they are growing.
Women are the nurturing side of humanity, mostly.
Whether a woman persues a career or not doesn't change the fact that she is educated and is able to tend for herself if the need arises.
Other argument is...
Yeah they are working. Harder then men mostly. Even if at home. Raising a family and caring for a home is hard work. Exceedingly hard work.
A neverending job. And thankless majority of the time.
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^ its not about paki thinking chanda.. its about making use of ur education. i personally know girls who were in the honours roll in their institution, who r engineers, doctors, etc. and chose to stay at home after they got married. dont u think it's a waste of their money and time?
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Nope. Knowledge is a kind of power that you'll never lose once you have achieved it. If you don't have it, you might be used and abused by those who have it! Women in our society don't usually use their knowledge(education) but they still need it because you never know, you might get in a position where no one is supporting you or your kids, for example, what if your partner doesn't take care of your family needs or there are other situations such as death of husband, divorce etc. What will the woman do if she isn't educated and gets in that kind of situation? Ask others to help her?
