Eavesdropping on terror talk in Germany

UMMAHS NEW HEROES----BUSTED

Kiss your life insurance policies goodbye. I guess the Jihadi sermons are alive and kicking in Europe.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0128/p02s01-woeu.html

WASHINGTON – The surveillance scheme was working perfectly: German intelligence operatives were watching and listening to two terror suspects living in their country for more than two years.
The eavesdropping was yielding a plethora of detail on the cells’ desires, plans, and unusual source of funding. The hope was the spying would go on for a long time - long enough to grab others involved in the network.

Instead, according to a European official knowledgeable about the operation, the two terror suspects suddenly made plans to move to the Netherlands. The German agents - unsure if they would lose contact - moved in and had them arrested this past weekend. “The arrests weren’t planned,” says the European source. “This story from the intelligence and law-enforcement sides now, sadly, is over.”

In the end, the surveillance operation offers an inside look at some of the problems and progress of those on the frontlines of the war on terror.

For one thing, it shows that successes are occurring: In addition to the two suspects arrested in Germany - and the information gleaned during the surveillance operation - two other high-level terrorists were apprehended this week in Iraq. Second, it illustrates how difficult it is to tap into terrorist cells and gather enough information to stop a specific attack or round up all those involved. Third, it highlights how contentious the relationship can be between intelligence agencies and local police, which often have different mandates and goals.

“My former service was in the business of letting people run in order to scoop in as many as possible,” says Stella Rimington, the former head of MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence service. “But we have to work with the police, and they are of course anxious to bring things to a conclusion without taking too many risks.”

Still, the agents learned a lot about how Al Qaeda is evolving and its relationship with sleeper cells in Europe. Significantly, the agents listened to the alleged terrorists discuss ways to obtain uranium to make a dirty bomb in order to kill as many Americans as possible, according to the European official. They heard them recruit suicide bombers from Germany’s well-established Muslim community to send to Iraq. They overheard plots to cheat companies out of life-insurance benefits to pay for their illicit activities.

The two arrested on Sunday are known only as Ibrahim Mohamed K, an Iraqi national who lived in Mainz, Germany, and Yasser Abu S, a Palestinian medical student living in Bonn. The Iraqi, according to German officials, attended Osama bin Laden’s training camps in Afghanistan and recruited suicide bombers, including Yasser Abu S, to travel to Iraq. They were arraigned in a German federal court earlier this week, and the judge ruled there is enough evidence to hold them for trial.

Through the wiretaps, agents listened to a lot of chatter - much of it just vitriol about the US. But they also heard talk of scary plots, most notably the brainstorming about how to purchase uranium to build a dirty bomb. The European source says the discussion included where, specifically, to find it, but no purchase was made. “They are extremists for sure who hate the US,” says the European official.

The agents gleaned new information about how the terror suspects tried to operate within the system without attracting attention. They avoided attending mosques, for instance, where radical imams preach jihad. And they learned more about tactics. For example, the Palestinian married a Syrian woman, who had just recently become a German citizen. That, according to the European official, would allow him legally to stay in Germany.

Moreover, the Palestinian man, Yasser Abu S, with the help of the Iraqi national,

took out as many as five life-insurance policies. According to the European official, Yasser Abu S intended to travel to Egypt and fake his death in a car accident so his wife could collect the life insurance - more than $800,000.

The money would be used to finance additional terror operations. After staging the accident, Yasser Abu S was supposed to go to Iraq, where he would carry out a suicide bomb attack against Americans. “This is a new way of fundraising for terrorist movements,” the European official says. “We have not seen this before.”

Although German officials don’t know how many terrorist cells exist in Europe, they say there’s a “pipeline” of Muslim men on the Continent heading for Iraq. One reason for the easy passage: The European Union, in the early 1990s, basically did away with the requirement that citizens show passports at borders. That allows the Muslim extremists to move through Europe largely undetected and then make their way to Iraq through, say, Turkey.

Now that the travel plots have been exposed, intelligence officials expect the terrorists to devise new schemes. But going public with much of what they’ve learned has its benefits. “The public is made aware that there is still a threat in Germany,” says the European source.

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daddyof2...thread's title needs to be changed..these guys should not be ummah's heroes...hear me now?

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Oh thats not true, my jealous lussi(its daddy of 3 beta dont froget my third kid or I'll be adopting you), Lussi, the Palestinians, the Saudi arabians and Iraqis worship the suicide bombers, the hijackers etc to the point that it is considered almost shirk. Hence the name of the thread.
I know and I understand your objection, however it is good muslims such as you that need to start standing up to the hate mongerers and figure out who represents the ummah, the bad guys or good natured muslims such as yourself.
I hear you but I am glad that my message was delivered and produced results (hence your response).

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OK Well someone didnt like my title. So people who missed it
it was Ummahs new heroes---busted.
It's sad to see that truth still hurts. People cant hack the truth that Ummah loves the thugs, Ummah loves the hijackers, Ummah lovers the kidnappers, Ummah loves murder,killing/ rape of non-muslims.
What a peaceful place this world would be without the Ummah.
Oh Allah (swt) I worship thee, please let my brethren see the light and your wisdom that killing and violence will not solve their problems. It will be peace, tolerance and accpetance of other people that will win hearts and minds. I fear no one but you, You are the Lord of my anscestors, my present generation and my future generataion, you created us and to you I return. I seek your forgiveness if I erred. Ameen

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Ziad Jarrah, and other hijackers of the plane were also in Germany where they met up and hatched the plan. well according to one documentary anyway.

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^^ Thanks for adding more heroes of Ummah to our list here. Thanks

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my pleasure, we need all the heroes we can get.

:hehe:

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^^ But Ma Mooli you see the point here. It's OK to use this forum to call names, berate people and vandalize threads, but God forbid I chose the name of this thread Ummahs Heroes and the whole GS is up in arms changing the name of my thread.

I don't mean to sound like a broken record but, these killers are the poster childs of future generations. I mean that bearded thug OBL is a friggin hero in the Ummah. Now thats an undeniable fact and anyone that refutes me, Come with me to NWFP and I will be your personal guide and take you around and show you that OBL is a hero. His picture hangs next to Quaid-e-Azam (the founder of Islamic republic of pakistan).

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Verizon you should be more upset if GS had left it there as a sign of acceptance. Doesn't the uproar and the sneaky name change tell you something? The ummah isnt made of one stock, if thats what your thinking. NWFP is but a small part, Guppies another. So if i was you, i'd be dead chuffed regardless.

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^^ No I dont view it that way. I must have pressed the right buttons to warrant such response. As I mentioned truth hurts.
I know NWFP is a small part, but I can provide examples of other countries including the ever so progressive BanglaDesh.
Oh and I didnt know that there are different Ummah, one for moderates and one for freaks.
I thought that once you are a muslim you belong to the Ummah. So we all represent the Ummah (for god or for bad). Lets see the good muslims stand up to the bad muslims.

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Oh and I didnt know that there are different Ummah, one for moderates and one for freaks.
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You misunderstood, lemme rephrase; NWFP is but a small part, Guppies're another small part of the same ummah.

IMO the mods are freaks for the extremist and that goes vice versa too. Anyways, Bin laden is not the standard by which we measure good and bad muslims. In that respect, he's actually irrelavent. There's more important stuff than him, such as the basic aqeedah of a muslim. Things that really count. When it comes to bin laden vs america, it more political than religious. You know, my enemy's enemy is my friend kinda thing.

Pre-9/11, if you'd ask muslims who bin laden was, they'd be clueless, and if they did, most could prolly give a crap. They probably still are clueless of his aqeedah, but know damn well what he stood for politically. And if you ask me, he prolly stands for the same things as me and thousands of others, with the difference that he went about dealing with it in a manner that was alien to most. Aqeedah wise though, we probably dont even stand on the same plane. Do you see the difference? This is as much to with an ummah as you are to do with bin laden mate.

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This is exactly what I was talking about yesterday; the Europeans are half responsible for creating this monster. They spend billions on eavesdropping and espionage and propaganda… while they spend zilch, zero on integrating these “heroes” into main stream … these heroes are disenfranchised members of the society, with little education (some even with big education) with no jobs, have never had sex in their lives, and trying to show to the other disenfranchised morons in other miserable places that “Look Ma I blow”… what a fking life.

Germans are stupid… they should kill these bsterds before they can kill innocent people.

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verizon beta...again i m asking u these politics and agency thingiesr too much mature for u..u even don know 1% of world politics...so its betta not to make fun of urself...

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madhanee did u eva talk abt hindu terrorism against muslims...;) again just like anjjan dear ran away ..u will also run away ...God knows whether this news is true or false ...
but my advice u to grow up and look world from mature and rantional eyes..
one of the examples of media propoganda is gujrat tragedy when ur "neutral" indian media said tht only two 2000 people killed..infact original number is more then 80,000 as in 800 villages,death dance were played by "moderate" hindus against muslims...so its betta to keep quite and have a packet of wine

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And i thought peeping toms were sick people. Well what do you expect from germans?

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Guy1: You win I loose educate me on world politics, but heres the deal don't quote Al-Jazz. I am ears awaiting anxiously to hear from the worldly scholar.

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I CAN'T hear you.

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I still can't hear you. What happened Guy1 cat got your tongue or its getting harder typing with one finger.

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So you are against beards......