Eating outside chicken or meat .... Halal or Haram ?

Is it ok to eat mcdonalds chicken ? or meat ? If not why ? If yes in what circumstances ? What about places where there is no halal meat available what so ever ?

I came across a funny argument with my brother in law, who has spent all his life on merchant navy ships. He eats non-halal chicken all the time but avoids meat.

I was sitting with him and we got into this argument. He said look do you agree that some words like " Bismillalah" or "Talaq " or other stuff really do hold the meaning ? I am like obviously.

He then added that, before chicken was not cut the Islamic way in United states, but now they have realised that the blood must drain in order to have a health and saftey regulations. So now they cut it just like the islamic way i.e Drain out all the blood before serving/freezing.

So his argument was :
Since the most important part is done the right way but the butchers are non muslims ( perhaps machines ) nor they read ‘Bismillah’ before cutting the neck of the chicken; So you do your part by reading “bismillah” before eating.

I didnt say anyting and stayed quiet… so guys I really need input in regards to this.

Thank you and JazakAllah
-Salman

some of the scholars have given this ruling. But I've heared audio lectures which negate this perticular ruling of the scholars in US. The point is Allah [swt] has told a perticular way of doing a ZABIAH. For muslims only ZABIAH meet/chicken is allowed. It is not about the perticular method of slughtereing, it is about doing it the right way and taking Allah [swt]'s name while doing ZABIAH. If Allah [swt]'s name is not taken while doing ZABIAH, the food becomes haram.
And suppose if s'one argues with you that 'read Bismillah' and it becomes halal, ask them what evidence do they use from Quran & Sunnah to have this ruling. I'm sure they will not show you anything. Surely Allah [swt] knows best

Three of the four imams of sunni madhab insist that the animal has to be slaughtered in the name of Allah to make the meat zabihah (thus halaal). Anything else will not qualify to make it zabihah.

One imam, however, considers that if no name is called at the time of slaughter, that will make the meat makrooh and it is permissible to eat it if the muslim takes the name of Allah before eating it. Its a minority opinion, though most Arabs follow this ruling.

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One imam, however, considers that if no name is called at the time of slaughter, that will make the meat *makrooh
and it is permissible to eat it if the muslim takes the name of Allah before eating it. Its a minority opinion, though most Arabs follow this ruling.
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Which Imam are you reffering to. And the Imam must have used Quran & Sunnah for the evidence of the ruling. Do you mind sharing?

It's not Halal unless Allah's name has been pronounced.
This is just copy and paste;

6:121 Eat not of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath not been pronounced: That would be impiety. But the evil ones ever inspire their friends to contend with you if ye were to obey them, ye would indeed be Pagans.

2:173 He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.

It probably not even really chicken - most of the chicken breast in circulation these days comes from Holand and is pumped with water to make it bigger. A lot of independant reserearch has proven this and some has shown the chickens to be fed with beef/pork protein to fatten them up.

As for letting the blood drain, again I do not believe the US would do this as the West are firm believers of stunning with an electrical device - completely alien to Islam. In fact, they want to stop muslims slaughtering cos they say its inhumane.

Stunning is inhumane, it messes the animal up and causes the veins to burst, contaminating the meat with blood. Blood is haraam.

N

^ why do we always have to temper with breasts? pumping water, pumping silicon..what's the world coming to

This might help:

Question :

If I buy meat that i know has not been killed islamically, is it ok to mention Allahs name and eat it. I read a hadith in sahih Al Bukhari where certain people were unsure whether the meat they had was halal and the prophet (saw) told them to mention Allahs name. Is that the correct understanding of the hadith?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

If it is not known how the meat was slaughtered, but it is thought that it was most likely slaughtered in the Islamic manner, because it comes from a country where most of the people are Muslims or People of the Book, then it is sufficient to mention the name of Allaah when eating. But if it is known that it was slaughtered in a manner that is not Islamic, then it is not permissible to eat it, because it comes under the ruling of maytah (dead meat), and Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal)” [al-An’aam 6:121]

Written by al-Khudayr (www.islam-qa.com)

Question :

If a none muslim butcher claims that he is selling halal meat and chicken is it ok to buy from him. if any of our friends buying from his shop can we eat that meat.Keeping in mind that there are two halal meat shops in our area runing by muslim brothers.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: it is better for you to buy the meat you need from Muslims, because this is more on the safe side and there is less likely to be any doubt concerning it. You will also be helping the Muslims to continue their work for which there is a need in the western countries. Moreover, the Muslims undoubtedly deserve this business more than others. It is sufficient for the Muslim to feel that he is renewing his bonds of faith with his Muslim brothers every time he forsakes the stores that are owned by kuffaar that may be closer to him or sell goods for cheaper prices, to buy from his brothers in faith.

Secondly: If the non-Muslim butcher is not from among the People of the Book, then meat slaughtered by him is not halaal. If he is from among the People of the Book, Jewish or Christian, then meat slaughtered by him is halaal.

Ibn Qudaamah said:** The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible to eat meat slaughtered by the People of the Book, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you” [al-Maa'idah 5:5]. Al-Bukhaari said: Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Their food” means meat slaughtered by them. Al-Mughni, 13/293.
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After that we do not need to ask them about the way in which they slaughtered it, because the basic principle is that their slaughter is valid because it was done by them as People of the Book.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It is proven in *Saheeh al-Bukhaari (no. 5507) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “Some people bring meat to us, and we do not know if they mentioned the name of Allaah or not.” He said: “Say it yourselves then eat.”
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I [Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen is speaking] say: They were new in Islam, and they did not know whether they had said the name of Allaah or not, so he said: “Say it yourselves, then eat.” So eating it is permissible even if we do not know whether the one who slaughtered the meat mentioned the name of Allaah or not. Similarly it is permissible to eat even if we do not know whether the meat was slaughtered in the proper manner or not, because if the action is carried out by the right people then the basic principle is that it is valid, unless there is evidence to the contrary. So if some meat comes to us from a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian, we should not ask about it or ask how it was slaughtered or whether the name of Allaah was mentioned over it. It is halaal so long as there is no clear proof that it is haraam. This is a way in which Allaah has made things easier for us. Liqaa’aat al-Baab il-Maftooh, 1/77

It is clear from this that if you buy from this store and eat the food of the one from whom you buy it, there is nothing wrong with that and you do not need to ask him about the way in which the meat was slaughtered, unless you become certain that he has slaughtered it in a manner that is not prescribed, such as stunning the animal until it dies and so on. But it is better to buy from the Muslim as stated above.

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

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This is what I do. I may be totally wrong. From what I understand, ( may Allah forgive me If I am wrong) eating chicken is halaal in America since according to FDA regulations they do drain the blood. So in the light of the hadith we can eat it by reading Allah's name. However, in places where halal meat is available I avoid it. If not I eat it.
However, I dot eat their beef. They electrecute it and that becomes lahm al maita (dead animal meat). So I do not eat beef. Only when zabiha is avaialble I eat cow's meat.

My opinioin is that although I feel it is allowed as most of the Arabs also think this way based upon quran and sunnah, it is better to avoid it whereever possible. Maybe here it is a matter of taqwa. May Allah guide us all.

does anyone have any links to the FDA regulations that stipulate draining blood?

gracias

Just out of curiosity, what do they consider the traditions that spoke of AnHazoor (saw) eating meat offered to him by Christian & Jews?

PA: Here is what they had to say about blood:

Liquid in Package
Many people think the red liquid in packaged fresh beef is blood. However, blood is removed from beef during slaughter and only a small amount remains within the muscle tissue. Since beef is about 3/4 water, this natural moisture combined with protein is the source of the liquid in the package.

Source

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Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal)” [al-An’aam 6:121]

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Thank you. Is the parenthetical part interpretation? Or is it in the text of the Quran?

Re: Eating outside chicken or meat .... Halal or Haram ?

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Is it ok to eat mcdonalds chicken ? or meat ? If not why ? If yes in what circumstances ? What about places where there is no halal meat available what so ever ?

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Dear Salman Sahib,

NY has plenty of places for Halal meat. If you are unsure please don't eat meat. Eat Daal, and Subzi. You will be healthy and free of meat-based growth hormones.

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I came across a funny argument with my brother in law, who has spent all his life on merchant navy ships. He eats non-halal chicken all the time but avoids meat.

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Let your brother-in-law eat what he likes, and save yourself from some serious grief. Remember your brother-in-law is related to you via your sister or your wife. Don't make him mad (even by funny arguments).

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Thank you and JazakAllah
-Salman
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You are welcome and Wa-Alaikum-JazakAllah

I think its better to avoid all such food of which you are doubtful Let’s not get into debate of what FDA says and the draining of blood form chicken makes it okay and not cow meat. I think the refrence form Holy Koran is suffice to guide us

**Do not eat unless Allah’s name has been taken and this (not taking Allah’s name) practice is transgression’ (Quran 6:121) **

May Allah (s.w.t) guide us all

:jazak:

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Just out of curiosity, what do they consider the traditions that spoke of AnHazoor (saw) eating meat offered to him by Christian & Jews?
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thats the same argument my dad raises...

^ I guess if you know the meat is from the People of the Book, it's okay?

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ask them what evidence do they use from Quran & Sunnah to have this ruling. I'm sure they will not show you anything.
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Well 5:5 is mostly what they will point out to. So, there you go. :)

Though admittedly, this issue has many different opinions, and each should follow what they are most comfortable with. The summarized status was given in my first post.

^ yeah i guess... thats what the point was. If ur living in a place where majority of people are Al-Kitaab then its ok.. cus we're allowed to eat their meat...

another point that was made (we were discussing this topic over the weekend) that, people in pakistan when slaughtering animals dont even do it the right way, how does that make it any different to the way 'kaafirs' slaughter animals?

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^ yeah i guess... thats what the point was. If ur living in a place where majority of people are Al-Kitaab then its ok.. cus we're allowed to eat their meat...

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i don't know -- can we assume the meat has been slaughtered by one of them?