Duke University's decision to sound Muslim call to prayer(azan every friday)

[TLK]

@Theorist:10229764

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So much made up fuss on something which is not considered an issue for Duke administration?

Call for Friday afternoon prayer is during a broad day light when most people are awake. That’s all.

Intolerance to anything even remotely considered religious needs to be stopped.

Church bells or any call for prayer should NOT be opposed.

Shame on those who pose to be Muslims and making up various scenarios to oppose this.

Even Duke admin are better than these ‘enlightened’ so called ‘Muslims’.

I can’t believe I am agreeing with you. Yes, this is exactly how I feel about it.
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Lol. Theorist and Diwana sitting in a tree

[Ethan_Hunt]

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@TLK

Lol. Theorist and Diwana sitting in a tree

K-I nvm

[TLK]

It is not canceled, just the place of azan is shifted from the top of the tower to the foot of tower. There is a grassy area where the students will gather, give azan, and then go to the prayers room

[Southie]

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@Sady

If you have really read all the posts and still saying this, then it’s clear that your allegation on me is totally unwarranted as anyone who really wants to see (after reading other posts) where I’m coming from, it’s not hard for them to see.

I am not alleging anything. You are alleging that some posts are hateful, racist etc. I am stating your allegations are unwarranted.

I did make an observation that such allegations provide fodder to the comics.

[diwana]

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@bitter

poor diwana

If you feel so bad, can you send me your bank account number for me to withdraw some money?

Please!!!

[diwana]

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@TLK

Lol. Theorist and Diwana sitting **in **a tree

IN a tree?

[diwana]

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@OneYourMomWarnedAbt

They reversed the decision after calls from people like Frank Graham etc. These guys who are opposed to these things are really myopic. If they truly want to fight extremism, they will need moderate Muslims on their side. They will never win it without their help. By opposing every thing that moderate Muslims do as way of assimilation, they are being short-sighted and stupid. Like it or not, Islam is here to stay in the US. No matter how much they oppose mosques or schools, it is not going to go away. The only way forward is to empower the moderates counter the extremist ideology not by being extreme themselves.

Yes.

Basically the extremist Evangelist intimidated good people at Duke.

[Sady]

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@Southie

If you do care to read the posts of Muslim posters and fairly judge how those posts are creating paranoia towards Islam or Islamic prayer call just over university’s decision to allow Muslim students to have a weekly juma prayer call, you’ll agree that my allegations that Muslims are adding to the hate, paranoia, opposition which already exists against Muslims and Islam. But for some reason, you’re verdict that my allegations are unwarranted is unwarranted itself as it is not based on fairness. Anyone would know that after reading all the posts.

Since a weekly prayer call should not hurt sentiments of any believer (i cannot say the same for non believers who follow no religion so they will be not tolerant to any kind of religious call), I’m unable to understand where all the discomfort, paranoia and opposition is stemming from, that too; from Muslim posters. I’m unable to see the evil behind university’s decision for a juma prayer call. I can’t see the harm it would have caused. Again, I’m speaking from a muslim’s perspective, not a nonbeliever’s or non Muslims’. That’s why these posts by Muslims took me by surprise. But as TLK said, I’m surely among those few “sitting on a tree” watching the crowd go ballistic over this harmless (actually good) decision by the university.

[TLK]

@diwana:10229836

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Lol. Theorist and Diwana sitting **in **a tree

IN a tree?
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Song “in a tree” hee hai uncle.

[diwana]

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@TLK

Song “in a tree” hee hai uncle.

Its more like ‘Under the tree here’

lol @ uncle!

You attended WSU in 90’s as you described before!

[Southie]

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@Sady

@Southie

If you do care to read the posts of Muslim posters and fairly judge how those posts are creating paranoia towards Islam or Islamic prayer call just over university’s decision to allow Muslim students to have a weekly juma prayer call, you’ll agree that my allegations that Muslims are adding to the hate, paranoia, opposition which already exists against Muslims and Islam. But for some reason, you’re verdict that my allegations are unwarranted is unwarranted itself as it is not based on fairness. Anyone would know that after reading all the posts.

Since a weekly prayer call should not hurt sentiments of any believer (i cannot say the same for non believers who follow no religion so they will be not tolerant to any kind of religious call), I’m unable to understand where all the discomfort, paranoia and opposition is stemming from, that too; from Muslim posters. I’m unable to see the evil behind university’s decision for a juma prayer call. I can’t see the harm it would have caused. Again, I’m speaking from a muslim’s perspective, not a nonbeliever’s or non Muslims’. That’s why these posts by Muslims took me by surprise. But as TLK said, I’m surely among those few “sitting on a tree” watching the crowd go ballistic over this harmless (actually good) decision by the university.

I respect the fact that you are in support of the prayer call at Duke University. Maybe you should respect the fact that not ALL muslims have to think the same way.

You have been very polite with me. For that I thank you.

[diwana]

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@Theorist

I can’t believe I am agreeing with you. Yes, this is exactly how I feel about it. I don’t see what the issue is. The college kids probably won’t think beyond the fact that it’s just a call to prayer in another language. Unless you tell them it is of diabolical nature, they won’t think anything of it. Stop spreading hate! It’s this type of thinking that makes simpler things in life difficult.

Well said.

[diwana]

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Now, here is another example for those who think Azaan will NOT serve people come together.

Perceived hate from some people (including those who pretend to be Muslims),… based on simple call to prayer is mind boggling.

Yes, I did judge and SADLY judged people based on what is written by them above.

I still worry about those children in a masjid under care of YOU-KNOW-WHO!

[P_G]

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Azan k kalimaat say islam ki tableegh ho saktee hai… Azaan k kalimaat wahee kay zareye naazil hoyee thay or is main bohat zyada taseer hai …lakin bat yeh k is say koi kaafir to pareshan shaid na ho lakin hamaray yeh Muslman bhai jin ko her waqt Complex sa rehta hai yeh zaroor parishan ho gay

** Abu jahal** or un kay sathioon kay aytraazat ki wajah say ibtada-e-islam k dor main nabi salal Allaho alyhi wasalam or sahab-e-karam chup chup ker namaz perhtay thay

HAzrat ummar razi Allah u tala anhu nay bibanga-e-dehal namaz perhee…us waqt bhi kuffar ki akseriyat zyaada thee or un ko yeh sub pasand nahi tha

Lakin hazrat Ummar razi allah hu tala anhu k is Ammal per ALLah nay un ko FAROOQ ka laqab diya

ab jo log yahan aytraaz ker rahay hain woh khud sooch lain kis k TAREEQAY per hain!

[Sady]

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Well that’s my point and the reason to be shocked that Muslims are showing such panic & objecting to why a juma prayer call should be allowed by the university. If they cannot be happy for the Muslims studying at the university, they still should let the students studying at the university decide what they like for themselves. Showing such paranoia, they’re only making the nonmuslims and the ignorant ones even more paranoid and fearful of Islam… In this case.. Islamic juma prayer call. I’m sure the university allowed this in good faith but this extremely negative obsession of Muslims against University’s decision must have made the authorities question their own sanity for that positive step taken in good faith.

And I generally am a polite person especially to those who are polite with me. And If I recall correctly, we had a peace deal sometime ago so I have to respect that

@Southie

I respect the fact that you are in support of the prayer call at Duke University. Maybe you should respect the fact that not ALL muslims have to think the same way.

You have been very polite with me. For that I thank you.

[redvelvet]

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@PyariCgudia

So why is it a I for the azaan to be read to nonmuslims?

If I was to hear a sermon from a church, I wouldn’t think something is being read to me. I don’t think the sound of bells is a pleasing one but If I heard a church bell I wouldn’t think it 's being sounded at me. Is such a view not one of fear and paranoia and suspicion…the same sentiments that are fueling Islamophobia? There were non Muslim teachers at the school I taught at and they had to attend assemblies where Quran was recited and I had never heard any of them say that they felt they were being preached to. It seemed that they understood that “This is their religion. And we have our own religion.”

I don’t know what my own stance is on the matter. When I first read the original post I was happy that appreciation was being shown to our ibadat as well. But them I worry about security as well…if Muslims organize for prayer. However, schools also have MSA organizations as well that openly hold events on campus and it can be argued that this too can carry security risks.

[Sady]

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Im im sorry could you please translate or atleast tell us the meaning of “bibanga-e-dehal”? Thanks.

@P_G

Azan k kalimaat say islam ki tableegh ho saktee hai… Azaan k kalimaat wahee kay zareye naazil hoyee thay or is main bohat zyada taseer hai …lakin bat yeh k is say koi kaafir to pareshan shaid na ho lakin hamaray yeh Muslman bhai jin ko her waqt Complex sa rehta hai yeh zaroor parishan ho gay

** Abu jahal** or un kay sathioon kay aytraazat ki wajah say ibtada-e-islam k dor main nabi salal Allaho alyhi wasalam or sahab-e-karam chup chup ker namaz perhtay thay

HAzrat ummar razi Allah u tala anhu nay bibanga-e-dehal namaz perhee…us waqt bhi kuffar ki akseriyat zyaada thee or un ko yeh sub pasand nahi tha

Lakin hazrat Ummar razi allah hu tala anhu k is Ammal per ALLah nay un ko FAROOQ ka laqab diya

ab jo log yahan aytraaz ker rahay hain woh khud sooch lain kis k TAREEQAY per hain!

[muqawwee123]

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@P_G

Azan k kalimaat say islam ki tableegh ho saktee hai… Azaan k kalimaat wahee kay zareye naazil hoyee thay or is main bohat zyada taseer hai …lakin bat yeh k is say koi kaafir to pareshan shaid na ho lakin hamaray yeh Muslman bhai jin ko her waqt Complex sa rehta hai yeh zaroor parishan ho gay

** Abu jahal** or un kay sathioon kay aytraazat ki wajah say ibtada-e-islam k dor main nabi salal Allaho alyhi wasalam or sahab-e-karam chup chup ker namaz perhtay thay

HAzrat ummar razi Allah u tala anhu nay bibanga-e-dehal namaz perhee…us waqt bhi kuffar ki akseriyat zyaada thee or un ko yeh sub pasand nahi tha

Lakin hazrat Ummar razi allah hu tala anhu k is Ammal per ALLah nay un ko FAROOQ ka laqab diya

ab jo log yahan aytraaz ker rahay hain woh khud sooch lain kis k TAREEQAY per hain!

P_G I can understand your sentiments and every Muslim here will understand the same.But, don’t you think that your example is not suitable for current discussion? Your example relates to Prophet’s era and there a movement to spread Islam was taking place. When they were weak and expecting atrocities from likes of Abu Jahal, they did it secretly and when they became stronger when people like Hazrat Umar (RA) accepted Islam, they started doing it openly. Here the purpose of Muslim students in university is not preaching the religion.

I agree that as they have allowed others to pray, Muslim should also be allowed to do so (and someone mentioned that there are prayers rooms for Muslims in such institutions across USA). Though there are some comments in this thread, which I didn’t like myself, but if someone express fear of security based on their experience or perception, we should not attack them with the terms like ‘apologetic’, etc.

Apart from all these things, I’m still waiting for an answer to a valid point raised by TLK about whether Juma can be performed at a place without Pesh Imam and not having daily prayers arrangement (ba -jamat) 5 times a day.

[Sady]

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Only listening to the prayer calls especially of juma prayer call is full if blessings. Even for nonbelievers… But human hearts have becomes so hard. They don’t feel anything… That insensitivity of hearts, not essentially in religious matters, is the cause of many problems today.

@diwana

[P_G]

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@muqawwee123

P_G I can understand your sentiments and every Muslim here will understand the same.But, don’t you think that your example is not suitable for current discussion? **Your example relates to Prophet’s era and there a movement to spread Islam was taking place. When they were weak and expecting atrocities from likes of Abu Jahal, they did it secretly and when they became stronger when people like Hazrat Umar (RA) accepted Islam, they started doing it openly. Here the purpose of Muslim students in university is not preaching the religion.
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I agree that as they have allowed others to pray, Muslim should also be allowed to do so (and someone mentioned that there are prayers rooms for Muslims in such institutions across USA). Though there are some comments in this thread, which I didn’t like myself, but if someone express fear of security based on their experience or perception, we should not attack them with the terms like ‘apologetic’, etc.

Apart from all these things, I’m still waiting for an answer to a valid point raised by TLK about whether Juma can be performed at a place without Pesh Imam and not having daily prayers arrangement (ba -jamat) 5 times a day.

1>>example bilkul darust or replies per muntabiq hay …
hazrat ummer razi Allah u tala anhu jub islam laye to un ka number 50th tha ( if its wrong plz make me correct)yane sirf 50 musalman thay or kaafir ki tadaad kitnee thee? miasjid ul haraam per kis ka qabza tha…? taqat main kon tha ?

lakin hazrat ummer razi Allahu tala anhu nay apnee shujaat ka muzahira kia ..or kufaar k aytraazat or threats ki bilkul perwah nahi ki ..or Allah nay is ammal ko qubool kia ..

yaha baat sirf yeh hay dar ul herb ki university jahan nonmuslims ki kasrat hay wahan muslman students kion Azan dainay chahtay hain ..k nonmuslims is ko pasand nahi karain gay ya un ko is ka kia faida..woh khamoshe say apnee jamaat kerwa lain …

2>>dosra tableegh-e-islam ik understood thing hai… islam k woh saray Amaal jo Aylaania hani us main tableegh khud ba khud hotee hay is ko mention kernay ki zaroorat hee nahi …

3>>security reasons per mainy koi discussion nahi rakha …jo students yeh koshish ker rahay hain un ka iman or tawakul agar mazboot hay to hum jaysay door baithay loogon k waswasay un k iman k muqablay main bohat chotay hain

4>>jumma ki namaz kis masjid main ada hotee hay yeh baat taqreeban sub muslman samjhtay hain main nahi samjhtee k us uni k Muslims nay is baray main soocha nahi ho ga…

waysay jo is k against thay woh log yeh khabar perh ker khush ho jaaain

**Duke reverses decision to allow Muslim call to prayer

**Duke reverses decision to allow Muslim call to prayer - CNN.com