Re: Dual identity - Pakistani and Indian
How much loyalty do you think those hindus and sikhs that flee to India during the partition have to Pakistan? You think their grandchildren or even children want to be loyal to Pakistan ? It doesn't make sense to be loyal to a country that you pretty much have no ties with. Be loyal to Canada and Pakistan not some other country that bends on destroying you.
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Do I sense a lot of paranoia in this thread?
Not a single sane Indian wants to go to war with you. We want economic progress, and lift our poor out of poverty. India has not attacked Pakistan once. '71 war was forced on us because of the antics of your own Army in E. Pakistan. And now your Generals want to force another war on us by cultivating Non-State Actors and unleashing them against us. They imagine that this strategy will bring India to her knees, in the words of one forum member :
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When you have the enemy on its knees, subjugated, then you should be magnanimous and offer peace. Not any other time.
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Every guppy with an iota of sense would recognize this for what this is : grand delusions.
Your biggest enemies are the Army Generals who loot your country (Fauji Foundation anyone? ) . Their strategy of cultivating Non-State Actors has brought about the ruin of Pakistan. Not India. They create this bogey of Hindu India to divert funds for their toys, whilst millions suffer without education, basic health care, and food.
We are not the enemy. But don't expect us to quake in our *dhotis *when Pak "non-state actors" like Kasab attack us.
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I disagree with you with CM. Patriotism is doing what is best for the nation. Loyalty is blindly standing by a nations ways, leadership and society.
where do you get these lines from, that make so much sense? i like how you think :)
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^ Njgal PMs me asks for awesome one liners.
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^ Njgal PMs me asks for awesome one liners.
yea right, you wish :p :D
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Idealism Njgal while great does not make the world go round. History is littered with examples where what is best is not what is patriotic. This whole war on terror is a perfect example. Politics are based on national interest not on humanistic feelings. Other examples where what is best for the nation is not akin to Patriotism are: Kashmir, Palestine, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, etc.
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Do I sense a lot of paranoia in this thread?
Not a single sane Indian wants to go to war with you. .
sane indian no, I agree, however looking at indian discussion forums one would get a different idea, or maybe the insane ones are out in full force and the same ones dont get heard, which I think is the case.
I think appetite for war in general has waned among most ppl with an iota of intelligence since both countries tested nukes.
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Yes true X2. I think discussion forums such as those who talk about attract the worst energies and together they make a lot of bad tasting khichRi.
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Wow. I am being pimped out on GS by X2. I might as well throw in the towel now.
Sehrysh the answer to your first point is in my second paragraph. Even though we do not choose it to be so, many who live abroad are defined by their ethnicity and their origins. You are Canadian or American or something right? But to most people in those areas you are also Pakistani. It is also the culture you are brought up in. It is what defines you to an extent. It may not be your primary foundation for identity but it is part of it. However your children and their children will have less interactions with that culture and will essentially lose all their "roots". That is very natural amongst all immigrant Diasporas. Looks at the Irish and the Italians in the US. 50 years ago it was a different culture. Now it is a very different culture. Its simple social evolution and that won't change. Each progressive generation that lives abroad will be less and less "desi".
Why war? Because it is the single most disastrous invention man has ever created. It is a direct assault on a people, its way of life and perceived superiority. Yes I am doing a Bush but it is true. That is why the Japanese were put in detention centers in the US. That is why sauerkraut was renamed liberty cabbage. It is the only true test of loyalty a country and a people have.
just make sure the towel is not on you before you throw it in.
I agree with your point about cultural influence becoming less important, although things can happen where ppl all of a sudden want to rediscover their roots, many diff reasons for it. but i digress.
In support of what you stated, if culture was that everlasting then if the supposed statements that everyone is a direct descendant of arabs, persians, turks etc we would be speaking the languages, eating the food, wearing the clothes of those cultures but we dont .. or maybe it is a combo of cultural influence waning and also that the claims of being of arab or persian background are a little exaggerated.
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Cricket puts me to sleep. Now ice hockey is a different matter altogether...
If you are a Canadian and call it ice hockey we are deporting you tomorrow morning.
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I had to distinguish between ice and field hockey. You do know field hockey is Pakistan's national sport.
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@TLK, I share your feelings but in a reverse way. Being born in India, I still have feelings for Pakistan because a very large part of our culture, language and even religion was developped in what is now Pakistan. Where did India get its name from? River Sindhu (Indus) gave India and even Hindus their names.
I have no animosity towards my Pakistani friends and vice versa.
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You’re certainly not alone in the way you feel Sehrysh. I consider myself a fairly patriotic Pakistani but I do not share the same hatred towards India that I often see in other people who confuse their patriotism for Pakistan with abomination of anything India related. I fail to see how anyone who is a Pakistani can deny their ancestry in India, but many here naively believe that their entire pedigree is Arab or Aryan based.
I’ve personally had the opportunity to visit our ancestral homes in India, read literature written by my great grandparents about their freedom fighting struggles against the British, and first hand accounts of the events leading up to the participation. I've also studied the political history of the subcontinent written by neutral observers. Perhaps this is why I see things a little differently as well. I wouldn’t go as far as saying that I have loyalties towards India, but I certainly do not have abhorrence for everything Indian.
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i think you should introduce uncle to the wonderful world of philately. yeh bandook wandook aint healthy pal. :nono:
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^ I had to google that - but no, sorry Big Daddy doesn't like stamps - he likes the stuffed heads of animals he's hunted and mounted on the wall. It goes well with his gun collection.
BTW, Daddy hasn't killed and stuffed (taxidermy-style) the head of a long haired, mustachioed hippy-like queer boy - wanna volunteer :@: ?
Any more hidden meanings that I'm too naive to read into the statement?
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would you like to rephrase that last line before some heartless miscreant twists it and reads rude meanings into poor uncle ji’s shaan? 
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: D i cant stop laughing at how you emphasized the taxidermy bit : D
i’ll win him over with my formidable armory made up of a
guldasta, 
charming smile, 
long eyelashes, 
and NRA bumper sticker. 
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^ Fine, take a number. He’s looking over the application from number 1000,001 - so far, no one’s been good enough 