Drone strikes create terrorist safe havens: Former CIA chief

We have been discussing the repercussions of drone strikes for ages. The strikes not only increases anti Americanism, creates instability in the concerned country (as anger is directed towards the military and the government) and results in terrorist safe havens. No wonder why terrorists have spread to most islamic countries post 2001 due to their flawed response in the WOT .

The question is why is still the US still insisting in using them (as in the long term they have devastating results as compared to advantages).

Drone attacks create terrorist safe havens, warns former CIA official | World news | guardian.co.uk

**A former top terrorism official at the CIA has warned that President Barack Obama’s controversial drone programme is far too indiscriminate in hitting targets and could lead to such political instability that it creates terrorist safe havens.
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Obama’s increased use of drones to attack suspected Islamic militants inPakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia and Yemen has become one of the most controversial aspects of his national security policy. He has launched at least 275 strikes in Pakistan alone; a rate of attack that is far higher than his predecessor George W Bush.

Defenders of the policy say it provides a way of hitting high-profile targets, such as al-Qaida number two, Abu Yahya al-Libi. But critics say the definition of militant is used far too broadly and there are too many civilian casualties. The London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates up to 830 civilians, including many women and children, might have been killed by drone attacks in Pakistan, 138 in Yemen and 57 in Somalia. Hundreds more have been injured.

Now Robert Grenier, who headed the CIA’s counter-terrorism center from 2004 to 2006 and was previously a CIA station chief in Pakistan, has told the Guardian that the drone programme is targeted too broadly. “It [the drone program] needs to be targeted much more finely. We have been seduced by them and the unintended consequences of our actions are going to outweigh the intended consequences,” Grenier said in an interview.

Grenier emphasised that the use of drones was a valuable tool in tackling terrorism but only when used against specific identified targets, who have been tracked and monitored to a place where a strike is feasible. However, recent media revelations about Obama’s programme have revealed a more widespread use of the strike capability, including the categorising of all military-age males in a strike zone of a target as militants. That sort of broad definition and the greater use of drones has outraged human rights organisations.

The BIJ has reported that drone strikes in Pakistan over the weekend hit a funeral gathering for a militant slain in a previous strike and also may have accidentally hit a mosque. That sort of action adds credence to the claims that the drone campaign is likely to cause more damage by creating anger at the US than it does in eliminating terrorist threats.

**“We have gone a long way down the road of creating a situation where we are creating more enemies than we are removing from the battlefield. We are already there with regards to Pakistan and Afghanistan,” he said.
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Grenier said he had particular concerns about Yemen, where al-Qaida linked groups have launched an insurgency and captured swathes of territory from the over-stretched local army. US drones have been active in the country, striking at targets that have included killing US-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and his 16-year-old son.

**The BIJ estimates that there have been up to 41 confirmed US drone strikes in Yemen since 2002 and possibly up a 55 unconfirmed ones. Grenier said the strikes were too indiscriminate and causing outrage among the civilian population in the country, lending support to Islamists and seeing a growth in anti-US sentiment.
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**“That brings you to a place where young men, who are typically armed, are in the same area and may hold these militants in a certain form of high regard. If you strike them indiscriminately you are running the risk of creating a terrific amount of popular anger. They have tribes and clans and large families. Now all of a sudden you have a big problem … I am very concerned about the creation of a larger terrorist safe haven in Yemen,” Grenier said.
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Grenier was the CIA’s station chief in Islamabad when terrorists struck the World Trade Center in New York and attacked the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. He played a key role in co-ordinating covert operations that led up to the downfall of the Taliban in Afghanistan. He later headed up the CIA’s CTC where he led the CIA’s global operations in the War on Terror as its top counter-terrorism official. He left the agency in 2006.

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few thinks US need to do if they are serious in getting out the terrorists,

1st, use drone in Afghanistan as well, on all kind of terrorists,

2ndly, provide Pak-Army with the technology to take out terrorists in Pakistan side of the border,

3rdly and lastly, stop sponsoring terrorists like BLA and Fazlullah...

if they do these three, things on Pakistan side of border will be under control... but doing all these also means US have sincere in eliminating terrorism in the world... so there is no chance of doing all these and taking many other steps which can eliminate terrorism..

Re: Drone strikes create terrorist safe havens: Former CIA chief

^ As far as your points are concerned.

1) US does not have the patience or political will to weed out terrorists from Afghan soil, they just want to satisfy their domestic audience that they have won the war there. This is why they are willing to negotiate with the taleban and even give them some share in the Afghan government. American designs for the region are not clear, as far as Afghanistan is concerned they dont really care as to what happens with the country. Pakistan is a little bit complex issue as the country is big, has a professional army and most importantly nukes. The American policy for the region is confused which is creating more problems.

2) They will not give drone technology to Pakistan.

3) This is also related to their strategic interests, or plans for the future.

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Us should use them on their border with Mexico to stop illegal immigration.

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CNN interview: Drone strikes radicalise Pakistani tribes, says Sherry – The Express Tribune

**WASHINGTION: Asserting that the US drone campaign is counterproductive, Pakistan’s Ambassador in Washington Sherry Rehman has said that negotiations with the United States over the controversial unilateral strikes are yet to take place.
****In an exclusive interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, Ambassador Rehman said America’s drone war “radicalises foot soldiers, tribes and entire villages in our region. And what we see, really, is that increasingly Pakistan is feared as a predatory footprint.”
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In response to a question, she denied the assertions that apology over the Salala incident meant that Pakistan had allowed the drone programme to continue. However, she said that the apology over the incident that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers has “opened the space for an opportunity where we can have constructive conversations that might be to the satisfaction of both sides. Right now, we have not given a go-ahead at all”.

But she categorically emphasised that Pakistan’s concerns over the drone strikes could not be ‘brushed aside’.

Ambassador Rehman said that CIA’s covert drone war ‘tests’ the relationship between Pakistan and the US at every juncture. “We honestly feel that there are better ways of eliminating al Qaeda now, which can be done with our help. And we have been doing that consistently. We’re the heavy lifters in this relationship.”

**When questioned about whether Pakistan accepted the accounting of how the Obama administration identified militants, Rehman said it was worrisome “because this leads to what you call signature strikes, if I’m not mistaken, where a certain level of suspected activity generates or motivates the trigger for – I really don’t know what motivates the trigger for X level or Y level of drone strikes.”
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Relations between Pakistan and the US took a turn for the worse in 2011, with the Raymond Davis affair, the Abbotabad raid and then the Salala airstrike being key incidents that led to a near breakdown of relations.

The ambassador said Pakistan has faced near-daily bomb attacks by terrorists, and said that they do not want to play host to terrorists and international terrorists. “It is our fight as much as anyone else’s because we are committed to eliminating terrorism at its root and source.”

Published in The Express Tribune, July 11[SUP]th[/SUP], 2012.

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they are saying that are only targeting terrorists, but the reality is in order to catch this few criminals, large number of civilians get killed!

Pakistani human rights lawyer says over 2,800 of the 3,000 people killed over the past seven years in non-UN-sanctioned US assassination drone strikes in Pakistan were civilians.

Shahzad Akbar, the director of the Foundation for Fundamental Rights, told Press TV on Saturday that only 170 of the people killed in the aerial attacks on the northwestern tribal belt of Pakistan have been identified as militants.

That means that “over 2,800 people were civilians, whose identities are not known, and they have just been killed on suspicion of being militants,” he added.

PressTV - US drones killed 2,800 civilians in Pakistan in 7 years