Drone operator says he ‘lost respect for life’

Why all this trauma, if they believe its a crusade for right and they are killing butchers through justified tool of Drones?

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In a startling interview by NBC’s Richard Engel on the Today show that aired on Thursday, NBC News reported that former drone operator Brandon Bryant, 27, said when he participated in missions that killed more than 1,600 people, he “lost respect for life” and started feeling like a “sociopath” while working under the drone program in the Air Force.

**During the interview he gave a graphic glimpse into the gruesome details he experienced when operating a camera after his team fired two missiles from their drone at three men walking down a road in Afghanistan.
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Referring to the thermal images, Bryant described the growing puddle of blood. “The guy that was running forward, he’s missing his right leg,” he told Engel during the interview. “And I watch this guy bleed out and, I mean, the blood is hot.”

Looking back on his career Bryant said he remembered one day in 2010 when he went into work and saw pictures of people drones were set to target that day on the wall, Anwar al-Awlaki and other suspected al Qaeda terrorists and Taliban leaders

“Which one of these f_____s is going to die today?”

**Bryant served as a drone operator from 2006 to 2011. It was in 2011 near the end of his career as a drone operator when he said his commander showed him a scorecard that read he had participated in missions that contributed to the deaths of 1,626 people.
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“I would’ve been happy if they never even s howed me the piece of paper,” he said. “I’ve seen American soldiers die, innocent people die, and insurgents die. And it’s not pretty. It’s not something that I want to have – this diploma.”

The prevalence of depression, anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder was recently found by the U.S. Defense Department to be equal to pilots at war. Jean Lin Otto, a co-author of the study told the New York Times that drone operators experience more disturbing images that what an aircraft pilot does.

“They witness the carnage, “Otto said. “Manned aircraft pilots don’t do that. They get out of there as soon as possible.”

**Bryant who has now retired from the Air Force and living in Montana said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and said he is still haunted by the whole experience.
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**“I can see every little pixel if I just close my eyes,” he said.

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Attorney General Eric Holder has been under scrutiny concerning the U.S. Drone Program.

In a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, Holder said four U.S. citizens have been killed in counter-terror drone strikes since 2009 in Pakistan and Yemen.

One of the Americans was Al-Awlaki, a radical Muslim cleric who was killed in September 2011 in Yemen. Holder said the three other Americans were killed by drones in counterterrorism operations but were not targeted.

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Americans have generally good hearts. If muslims, the war victims and the victims of drone attack victims realize this, it will stop.

I don’t think US would ever stop bombing…so the only option for muslims is to just stop fighting.

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How can you give in to oppression when our Quran states to fight against it? It is Allah’s command not to be oppressed. We will never give in to bullying and outright satanic practices. They will never be able to break the will of a muslim!

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What can you supposedly do against it???

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And what do you propose doing against the Western world? Throw rocks at them while they fight back with the most advanced weapons available? The Americans “lost” in Iraq and Afghanistan in that they were unable to stabilize the country but they “conquered” the country in two weeks. And let’s be honest here, part of the reason we have this sh*t show is that we keep electing morons who will sell the country out, and we refuse to modernize in terms of social values and eduction. These values result in economic progress, which allows up to build a military that can defend us. But hey, it’s much easier to just blame America.

Don’t get me wrong, US foreign policy over the past 60 years has been horribly short sighted and oppressive, but we have done nothing to help ourselves either.

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Well I guess nobody took US history lessons in their green card process. The US did the exact same thing against the British.

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While Muslims in weaker position should give up on fighting, Muslims in Western countries or in a position of authority shouldn’t stop condemning the drone attacks.

If on one side you want Muslims to give up…but on the other side you want US to continue with drone attacks then you’re just being a hypocrite.

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perhaps off topic but…
I wonder what America does to rehabilitate such drone operators?

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Remember, no one will be able to defeat the forces of dajjal.

Muslims can win the hearts of Westerners easily…look at the examples of people who converted to Islam after seeing the GITMO prisoners praying and fasting. We muslims underestimate our deen big time.

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No one thinks that America should continue with drone strikes but we can’t beat them militarily. And let’s say that we did somehow magically become superior to the West? Would we be restrained? Would we hold back or would we be just as bad as them? I want Muslims to fight back as peacefully as possible because I believe that Pakistan and the Mid East could progress if politically stable, but I want us to be better than the West has been. We can learn from them, as far as what to do, but we can also learn what *not *to do.

I agree. There are things in Abrahamic religions that, if taken literally, seem backward, but I think the spirit of Islam is transcendent. But when people like McPendo start beating the war drums it undermines all of that. How are aggressive Muslims any different from hawkish US politicians? Whether you use national security or Islam, both groups are just war mongers who are using their respective ideologies to attack others, and all this does is get innocents killed.

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Here is a little more detailed article:

Former drone operator says he’s haunted by his part in more than 1,600 deaths - Open Channel

Former drone operator says he’s haunted by his part in more than 1,600 deaths

Former drone operator Brandon Bryant tells NBC’s Richard Engel that he felt like he became a “heartless” “sociopath” under the drone program.

By Richard Engel, Chief Foreign Correspondent, NBC News

A former Air Force drone operator who says he participated in missions that killed more than 1,600 people remembers watching one of the first victims bleed to death.

Brandon Bryant says he was sitting in a chair at a Nevada Air Force base operating the camera when his team fired two missiles from their drone at three men walking down a road halfway around the world in Afghanistan. The missiles hit all three targets, and Bryant says he could see the aftermath on his computer screen – including thermal images of a growing puddle of hot blood.

“The guy that was running forward, he’s missing his right leg,” he recalled. “And I watch this guy bleed out and, I mean, the blood is hot.” As the man died his body grew cold, said Bryant, and his thermal image changed until he became the same color as the ground.

“I can see every little pixel,” said Bryant, who has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, “if I just close my eyes.”

Bryant, now 27, served as a drone sensor operator from 2006 to 2011, at bases in Nevada, New Mexico and in Iraq, guiding unmanned drones over Iraq and Afghanistan. Though he didn’t fire missiles himself he took part in missions that he was told led to the deaths of an estimated 1,626 individuals.

In an interview with NBC News, he provided a rare first-person glimpse into what it’s like to control the controversial machines that have become central to the U.S. effort to kill terrorists.

He says that as an operator he was troubled by the physical disconnect between his daily routine and the violence and power of the faraway drones. “You don’t feel the aircraft turn,” he said. “You don’t feel the hum of the engine. You hear the hum of the computers, but that’s definitely not the same thing.”
At the same time, the images coming back from the drones were very real and very graphic.

“People say that drone strikes are like mortar attacks,” Bryant said. “Well, artillery doesn’t see this. Artillery doesn’t see the results of their actions. It’s really more intimate for us, because we see everything.”

A self-described “naïve” kid from a small Montana town, Bryant joined the Air Force in 2005 at age 19. After he scored well on tests, he said a recruiter told him that as a drone operator he would be like the smart guys in the control room in a James Bond movie, the ones who feed the agent the information he needs to complete his mission.

He trained for three and a half months before participating in his first drone mission. Bryant operated the drone’s cameras from his perch at Nellis Air Force base in Nevada as the drone rose into the air just north of Baghdad.

Bryant and the rest of his team were supposed to use their drone to provide support and protection to patrolling U.S. troops. But he recalls watching helplessly as insurgents buried an IED in a road and a U.S. Humvee drove over it.

“We had no way to warn the troops,” he said. He later learned that three soldiers died.
And once he had taken part in a kill, any remaining illusions about James Bond disappeared. “Like, this isn’t a videogame,” he said. “This isn’t some sort of fantasy. This is war. People die.”

Courtesy Brandon Bryant

Brandon Bryant stands with a Predator drone in Nevada. He says that as an operator he was troubled by the physical disconnect between his daily routine and the violence and power of the faraway drones.

**Bryant said that most of the time he was an operator, he and his team and his commanding officers made a concerted effort to avoid civilian casualties.
But he began to wonder who the enemy targets on the ground were, and whether they really posed a threat. He’s still not certain whether the three men in Afghanistan were really Taliban insurgents or just men with guns in a country where many people carry guns. The men were five miles from American forces arguing with each other when the first missile hit them.

“They (didn’t) seem to be in a hurry,” he recalled. “They (were) just doing their thing. … They were probably carrying rifles, but I wasn’t convinced that they were bad guys.“ But as a 21-year-old airman, said Bryant, he didn’t think he had the standing to ask questions.

He also remembers being convinced that he had seen a child scurry onto his screen during one mission just before a missile struck, despite assurances from others that the figure he’d seen was really a dog.**

After participating in hundreds of missions over the years, Bryant said he “lost respect for life” and began to feel like a sociopath. He remembers coming into work in 2010, seeing pictures of targeted individuals on the wall – Anwar al-Awlaki and other al Qaeda and Taliban leaders – and musing, “Which one of these f_____s is going to die today?”

In 2011, as Bryant’s career as a drone operator neared its end, he said his commander presented him with what amounted to a scorecard. It showed that he had participated in missions that contributed to the deaths of 1,626 people.

“I would’ve been happy if they never even showed me the piece of paper,” he said. “I’ve seen American soldiers die, innocent people die, and insurgents die. And it’s not pretty. It’s not something that I want to have – this diploma.”
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Now that he’s out of the Air Force and back home in Montana, Bryant said he doesn’t want to think about how many people on that list might’ve been innocent:
“It’s too heartbreaking.”**

The Veterans Administration diagnosed him with Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, for which he has undergone counseling. He says his PTSD has manifested itself as anger, sleeplessness and blackout drinking.

“I don’t feel like I can really interact with that average, everyday person,” he said. “I get too frustrated, because A) they don’t realize what’s going on over there. And B) they don’t care.”

He’s also reluctant to tell the people in his personal life what he was doing for five years. When he told a woman he was seeing that he’d been a drone operator, and contributed to the deaths of a large number of people, she cut him off. “She looked at me like I was a monster,” he said. “And she never wanted to touch me again.”

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excellent point. people like mcpendo want muslims in places like afghanistan with poor odds to risk their societies and lives to fight the evil amreeka satan blahblah, but themselves live peacefully within the great satan’s secure morally degenerate society. a little reality check.

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May be I’m getting you wrong. I don’t understand this argument that smaller, poorer countries are responsible for their own ordeal because they’re not able to defend themselves. That’s like blaming a woman for getting raped. Just like an average woman cannot be as strong as a man, a developing country cannot be as powerful as the developed world.

You can blame the victim in many ways e.g. you can blame a woman for not being vigilant enough but at the end of the day the blame lies wholly with the criminal. Economic and social progress is an issue facing many developing countries in the world and I don’t understand the point of using that as a reasoning for why the weaker nations are being illegally invaded and attacked by the stronger ones?

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If you can’t fight the devil doesn’t you give in to his advances. You execute the Jihad which literally means to struggle and strive against opperession. If someone told Prophet Muhammed that he couldn’t fight against the Quresh becuase they rule the entirety of Mecca and were cut throat murders and that he should go in to seclusion because he’s only one man then we wouldn’t have Islam today.

I find your lack of faith disturbing! How can you say that no one can defeat the forces of the Dajjal when it is written that muslims will DEFEAT THE DAJJAL! Whats wrong with you people? Stop being chicken and fight against opperession!

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Yeah not my choice to live in a Morally degenerate soicety either, but earth isn’t paradise there are evil people everywhere, doesn’t mean that we have to seal our lips against oppression and go on our day ignorning palestine & iraq/afghanistan. Maybe you need to come out of your hippie bubble and see the world as it is!

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Here is another article on the same theme - large-scale murder of Muslims under the guise of the misbegotten war on terror.

Robert Bales, U.S. Soldier, Pleads Guilty To Afghanistan Massacre

Robert Bales, U.S. Soldier, Pleads Guilty To Afghanistan Massacre

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         By GENE JOHNSON                                                                                            06/05/13 10:22 PM ET EDT                                                                                                                                      

                                                                                                                                JOINT BASE LEWIS-MCCHORD, Wash. — **The American soldier  accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians, many of them women and children  who were asleep in their villages, pleaded guilty to murder Wednesday  and acknowledged to a judge that there was "not a good reason in this  world" for his actions.**

Staff Sgt. Robert Bales’ plea ensures that he will avoid the death penalty for the middle-of-the night slayings that so inflamed tensions with the people of Afghanistan that the American military suspended combat operations there.

Prosecutors say Bales slipped away before dawn on March 11, 2012, from his base in Kandahar Province. Armed with a 9 mm pistol and an M-4 rifle equipped with a grenade launcher, he attacked a village of mud-walled compounds called Alkozai, then returned and woke up a fellow soldier to tell him about it.

The soldier didn’t believe Bales and went back to sleep. Bales then left to attack a second village known as Najiban.

Relatives of the dead were outraged at the idea that Bales could escape execution when they spoke to The Associated Press in April in Kandahar.

“A prison sentence doesn’t mean anything,” said Said Jan, whose wife and three other relatives were slain. “I know we have no power now. But I will become stronger, and if he does not hang, I will have my revenge.”

A jury will decide in August whether the soldier is sentenced to life with or without the possibility of parole. He would serve his prison sentence at Fort Leavenworth, the military prison in Kansas.

Wednesday’s proceedings at Joint Base Lewis-McChord south of Seattle marked the first time Bales provided a public account of the massacre.

For each charge, the judge asked him a series of questions to assess the validity of his plea. Did he believe he had legal justification to kill the victims? Was he acting in self-defense? Did anyone force or coerce him to commit the murders?

For each, Bales answered, “No, sir.”

In a clear, steady voice, Bales also read from a statement.

“This act was without legal justification, sir,” the 39-year-old infantryman said while seated at a defense table, his hands folded in front of him.

At one point, the judge, Col. Jeffery Nance, asked Bales why he killed the villagers.

Bales responded: “Sir, as far as why – I’ve asked that question a million times since then. There’s not a good reason in this world for why I did the horrible things I did.”

One of the prosecutors, Lt. Col. Jay Morse, raised concerns during the hearing that the soldier’s testimony contradicted what he earlier acknowledged in a signed “stipulation of facts” from that night.

Bales testified Wednesday that he made the decision to kill each victim when he raised his gun and pointed it. But in the stipulation, Bales said he struggled with a woman before killing her and “after the tussle” decided to “murder anyone that he saw.”

The judge questioned Bales about it, and Bales confirmed that he decided to kill everyone after struggling with the woman.

Nance also questioned Bales about some corpses that had been set on fire. Bales said he didn’t remember burning the bodies, but he recalled a kerosene lantern being in one of the rooms and a fire and having matches in his pocket when he returned to the remote base, Camp Belambay.

Pressed by the judge on whether he set the bodies on fire with the lantern. Bales replied: “It’s the only thing that makes sense, sir.'”

Earlier, defense attorney Emma Scanlan entered Bales’ pleas on his behalf. She entered one not guilty plea, to a charge that he impeded the investigation by breaking his laptop after he was taken into custody. That charge was later dropped, after the judge accepted the guilty plea.

Survivors who testified by video link from Afghanistan during a hearing last fall vividly recalled the carnage.

A young girl in a bright headscarf described hiding behind her father as he was shot to death. Boys told of hiding behind curtains as others scrambled and begged the soldier to spare them, yelling: “We are children! We are children!” A thick-bearded man told of being shot in the neck by a gunman “as close as this bottle,” gesturing to a water bottle on a table in front of him.

The massacre prompted such angry protests that the U.S. temporarily halted combat operations in Afghanistan, and it was three weeks before Army investigators could reach the crime scene.

The deaths also raised questions about the frequency of combat deployments and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Bales was serving his fourth deployment. Until the attacks, he had a good, if undistinguished, military record in a decade-long career. The Ohio native suffered from PTSD and a traumatic brain injury, his lawyers say, and he had been drinking contraband alcohol and snorting Valium – both provided by other soldiers – the night of the killings.

Bales said he was also taking three doses of steroids each week to make himself “smaller, leaner, more fit for the mission,” and to help him recover quickly after rigorous activity.

The drugs “definitely increased my irritability and anger,” he said.

Given Bales’ prior deployments and apparent PTSD, military law experts had suggested that a jury was unlikely to sentence him to death. Defense attorney John Henry Browne had sought to place blame with the military for sending Bales back to war in the first place.

Bales and his defense team wanted the death penalty off the table. Prosecutors were able to secure a premeditated murder conviction, which might have been difficult to obtain at trial.

After the judge accepted the guilty plea, Bales’ lawyers and prosecutors sparred over whether the defense should have already notified the government of any intent to call expert witnesses at sentencing to testify about Bales’ mental health.

The judge ordered the defense to give notice by July 1 if attorneys plan to use mental health experts and to turn over all underlying data from mental health exams by that day.

Bales’ attorneys said afterward that he is remorseful and that he didn’t apologize in court because now is not the time. They also said Bales hopes villagers in Afghanistan do not take retribution against other American soldiers for his actions.

“Sergeant Bales has been waiting for the day that he can accept responsibility for what he’s done, the day that he can hopefully give some sense of peace to the people who are the victims of this tragedy, to his own family, and to the soldiers who are still serving in Afghanistan,” Scanlan said.


Johnson can be reached at . https://twitter.com/GeneAPseattle

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When?

like he lost respect for life and then killed 1600 people ?
or he had respect for life when he killed 1600 people ?

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It only takes some privileged ones, 1600 murders to lose respect for life.
Didn’t you still know that ? :smack:

Mind you, he still doesn’t qualify for the ‘honorable’ title of a ‘terrorist’. :nahi:

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You didn’t understand what I was saying. In terms of your analogy, would a petite woman go attack a drunken man or would she tell him to back off or get some help? What’s the point of attacking America when they can wipe the floor with any country in terms of military might? All 9/11 did was enable Islamophobia. Did Hamas achieve anything by launching rockets at Israel? Or is it people, Americans and Palestinians, pushing against Israeli policies that allowed the recognition of Palestine at the UN? Israel is now in front of the ICC for the flotilla attack.

Economic and social progress is a product of mindset. As long as our mindset remains “F America” and let’s all just turn to religion, we will remain weak and unable to defend ourselves. I never said illegal invasions are right. But Iraq is a messed up situation. Look at Pakistan on the other hand. America has never invaded us. Our leaders are unwilling to deal with terrorists on our soil and when America, wrongly IMO, uses drones, people think everything under the sun is America’s fault, while ignoring the fact that the Pakistani government military shelters terrorists under the guise of religion.