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Article on how drone strikes strengthen the militants…

Al Qaeda’s best friend - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

The New York Times has an extraordinary Op-Ed this morning by Ibrahim Mothana, a 23-year-old democracy activist and Al Qaeda opponent in Yemen. The headline is “How Drones Help Al Qaeda,” and it explains in compelling detail how the principal U.S. tactic ostensibly devoted to fighting Al Qaeda in his country — repeated drone attacks — is having exactly the opposite effect. Even though I’m going to excerpt some of it to discuss it, I really urge everyone to read all of it. He begins this way:

“DEAR OBAMA, when a U.S. drone missile kills a child in Yemen, the father will go to war with you, guaranteed. Nothing to do with Al Qaeda,” a Yemeni lawyer warned on Twitter last month. President Obama should keep this message in mind before ordering more drone strikes like Wednesday’s, which local officials say killed 27 people, or the May 15 strike that killed at least eight Yemeni civilians.

**Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants; they are not driven by ideology but rather by a sense of revenge and despair.**Robert Grenier, the former head of the C.I.A.’s counterterrorism center, has warned that the American drone program in Yemen risks turning the country into a safe haven for Al Qaeda like the tribal areas of Pakistan — “the Arabian equivalent of Waziristan.”

Anti-Americanism is far less prevalent in Yemen than in Pakistan. But rather than winning the hearts and minds of Yemeni civilians,**America is alienating them by killing their relatives and friends. Indeed, the drone program is leading to the Talibanization of vast tribal areas and the radicalization of people who could otherwise be America’s allies in the fight against terrorism in Yemen.

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This is not a new phenomenon, as he notes. Indeed, the first Obama-ordered airstrike on his country — one that took place less than two months after the President received the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize — included cluster bombs and was nothing short of horrific:

The first known drone strike in Yemen to be authorized by Mr. Obama, in late 2009, left 14 women and 21 children dead in the southern town of al-Majala, according to a parliamentary report. Only one of the dozens killed was identified as having strong Qaeda connections.

The outcome is as stark as it is tragic for that country (and potentially for the U.S.):

Certainly, there may be short-term military gains from killing militant leaders in these strikes, but they are minuscule compared with the long-term damage the drone program is causing. A new generation of leaders is spontaneously emerging in furious retaliation to attacks on their territories and tribes.

What’s most amazing about this is that U.S. government officials — and the sham industry known as “Terrorism experts” which exist to justify their actions — now point to AQAP as the greatest security threat to America (to justify themselves, they need to point to some Grave Threat now that bin Laden is dead). And yet the greatest source of strength for AQAP is precisely the actions of those same officials, ones which the “Terrorism expert” industry overwhelmingly supports:

And the situation is quite likely to get worse now that Washington has broadened its rules of engagement to allow so-called signature strikes, when surveillance data suggest a terrorist leader may be nearby but the identities of all others targeted is not known. Such loose rules risk redefining “militants” as any military-age males seen in a strike zone. . . .

**This is why A.Q.A.P. is much stronger in Yemen today than it was a few years ago. In 2009, A.Q.A.P. had only a few hundred members and controlled no territory; today it has, along with Ansar al-Sharia, at least 1,000 members and controls substantial amounts of territory.
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He ends by expressing his despair over the widespread approval in the U.S. for these Al-Qaeda-strengthening, civilian-killing attacks in his country (even as the rest of the world overwhelmingly objects), and he identifies exactly the right culprit:
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Unfortunately, liberal voices in the United States are largely ignoring, if not condoning, civilian deaths and extrajudicial killings in Yemen — including the assassination of three American citizens in September 2011, including a 16-year-old. During George W. Bush’s presidency, the rage would have been tremendous. But today there is little outcry, even though what is happening is in many ways an escalation of Mr. Bush’s policies.
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**Defenders of human rights must speak out. America’s counterterrorism policy here is not only making Yemen less safe by strengthening support for A.Q.A.P., but it could also ultimately endanger the United States and the entire world.
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Mainstream American progressivism has really disgraced itself with the behavior that Mothana laments in that passage. What’s most amazing to me about this discussion is how it is simultaneously (a) so obvious (apparently, when you bomb people and constantly kill civilians, you make them want to attack you back: who knew?) and yet (b) so impervious to evidence and reason. It doesn’t matter how much proof you supply that this is true, that U.S. militarism and interference in the Muslim world is largely responsible for the very Terrorism problem that is invoked to justify them. It makes little difference.

**You can show people the statements of accused Terrorists about why they are willing to sacrifice their lives to harm Americans and the evidence of what radicalized them, and how they almost unanimously cite the desire to avenge U.S.-caused civilian deaths. You can show them studies commissioned by the U.S. Pentagon which document the same thing. You can show them statements from the U.S. Government itself explaining that the 9/11 attackers were motivated by a desire to avenge U.S. aggression and deter further interference in the Muslim world. You can show them the in-depth reporting from American journalists who travel to these countries (or are held hostage there) and then emphatically warn that it is U.S. attacks which are fueling anti-American Terrorism. You can show them experts in these countries who devote their lives to studying them who issue the same warnings. And you can show them the pleas from the people who live in these countries — such as Ibrahim Mothana — who are distraught and angry that the U.S. is emboldening Al Qaeda in their country with its ongoing attacks and killing of civilians.
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**But this mountain of empirical evidence doesn’t matter. Americans (especially media figures) have been so inculcated with a childish morality narrative which is pleasing and self-affirming to believe —The Terrorists attack us because they are bad and we are good— that it’s just inconceivable that it is actually the U.S. itself which is enabling these plots and has long been galvanizing the very anti-American animus that fuels them. **That, combined with rank partisan opportunism (these are Obama’s drones), has rendered this causal truth nothing short of taboo.

Whenever one points this causal connection — as I’ve done the last two days — one is immediately smeared with the same trite decade-old Rovian insults used to impugn critics of American aggression and militarism in the War on Terror (Andrew Sullivan has hauled them all out in the last couple days: you don’t care about 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 and 9/11; *you want Osama bin Laden to be on the loose killing Americans, etc. etc. (*apparently, wanting bin Laden treated like Nazi war criminals — arrested, tried and then punished if convicted — is tantamount to advocating for his freedom)). The constant assumption in American political discourse is that there are so very many people in the world eager to attack the U.S. — The Terrorists — but the question of why this is so is simply never asked (actually, I ask that question often, but aside from patent propagandistic pap (*they hate us for our Freedom) *it’s rarely answered).

In response to my argument over the last two days that ongoing U.S. aggression is making a Terrorist attack more rather than less likely, Sullivan rhetorically asked: “is he not living on the same planet I am?” Actually, I’m not: I’m living on the same planet as most of the people on Earth, who share these views and reject Sullivan’s; I’m living on the same planet as Ibrahim Mothana, who sees these truths in his daily life; I’m living on the same planet as the mountain of empirical evidence that explains why there are so many people eager to bring violence to the U.S. (as opposed to, say, Peru, or South Africa, or Finland, or Brazil, or Japan, or Portugal, or China).

I know it’s difficult for someone to realize this when they believe that what appears on CNN and MSNBC represents the full range of mainstream political ideas on the planet, but cheering for American violence and affirming its imperial prerogatives to attack anyone it wants isn’t the norm in the world. That mindset is a small, heinous aberration. Read Ibrahim Mothana’s Op-Ed today to understand why that is.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/14/opinion/how-drones-help-al-qaeda.html

**“DEAR OBAMA, when a U.S. drone missile kills a child in Yemen, the father will go to war with you, guaranteed. Nothing to do with Al Qaeda,” a Yemeni lawyer warned on Twitter last month. President Obama should keep this message in mind before ordering more drone strikes like Wednesday’s, which local officials say killed 27 people, or the May 15 strike that killed at least eight Yemeni civilians.
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Drone strikes are causing more and more Yemenis to hate America and join radical militants; they are not driven by ideology but rather by a sense of revenge and despair. Robert Grenier, the former head of the C.I.A.’s counterterrorism center, has warned that the American drone program in Yemen risks turning the country into a safe haven for Al Qaeda like the tribal areas of Pakistan — “the Arabian equivalent of Waziristan.”

Anti-Americanism is far less prevalent in Yemen than in Pakistan. But rather than winning the hearts and minds of Yemeni civilians, America is alienating them by killing their relatives and friends. Indeed, the drone program is leading to the Talibanization of vast tribal areas and the radicalization of people who could otherwise be America’s allies in the fight against terrorism in Yemen.

The first known drone strike in Yemen to be authorized by Mr. Obama, in late 2009, left 14 women and 21 children dead in the southern town of al-Majala, according to a parliamentary report. Only one of the dozens killed was identified as having strong Qaeda connections.

Misleading intelligence has also led to disastrous strikes with major political and economic consequences. An American drone strike in May 2010 killed Jabir al-Shabwani, a prominent sheik and the deputy governor of Marib Province. The strike had dire repercussions for Yemen’s economy. The slain sheik’s tribe attacked the country’s main pipeline in revenge. With 70 percent of the country’s budget dependent on oil exports, Yemen lost over $1 billion. This strike also erased years of progress and trust-building with tribes who considered it a betrayal given their role in fighting Al Qaeda in their areas.

Yemeni tribes are generally quite pragmatic and are by no means a default option for radical religious groups seeking a safe haven. However, the increasing civilian toll of drone strikes is turning the apathy of tribal factions into anger.

**The strikes have created an opportunity for terrorist groups like Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and Ansar al-Sharia to recruit fighters from tribes who have suffered casualties, especially in Yemen’s south, where mounting grievances since the 1994 civil war have driven a strong secessionist movement.
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Unlike Al Qaeda in Iraq, A.Q.A.P. has worked on gaining the support of local communities by compromising on some of their strict religious laws and offering basic services, electricity and gas to villagers in the areas they control. Furthermore, Iran has seized this chance to gain more influence among the disgruntled population in Yemen’s south.

**And the situation is quite likely to get worse now that Washington has broadened its rules of engagement to allow so-called signature strikes, when surveillance data suggest a terrorist leader may be nearby but the identities of all others targeted is not known. Such loose rules risk redefining “militants” as any military-age males seen in a strike zone.
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Certainly, there may be short-term military gains from killing militant leaders in these strikes, but they are minuscule compared with the long-term damage the drone program is causing. A new generation of leaders is spontaneously emerging in furious retaliation to attacks on their territories and tribes.

This is why A.Q.A.P. is much stronger in Yemen today than it was a few years ago. In 2009, A.Q.A.P. had only a few hundred members and controlled no territory; today it has, along with Ansar al-Sharia, at least 1,000 members and controls substantial amounts of territory.

Yemenis are the ones who suffer the most from the presence of Al Qaeda, and getting rid of this plague is a priority for the majority of Yemen’s population. But there is no shortcut in dealing with it. Overlooking the real drivers of extremism and focusing solely on tackling their security symptoms with brutal force will make the situation worse.

Only a long-term approach based on building relations with local communities, dealing with the economic and social drivers of extremism, and cooperating with tribes and Yemen’s army will eradicate the threat of Islamic radicalism.

Unfortunately, liberal voices in the United States are largely ignoring, if not condoning, civilian deaths and extrajudicial killings in Yemen — including the assassination of three American citizens in September 2011, including a 16-year-old. During George W. Bush’s presidency, the rage would have been tremendous. But today there is little outcry, even though what is happening is in many ways an escalation of Mr. Bush’s policies.

Defenders of human rights must speak out. America’s counterterrorism policy here is not only making Yemen less safe by strengthening support for A.Q.A.P., but it could also ultimately endanger the United States and the entire world.

Ibrahim Mothana, a writer and activist, is a co-founder of the Watan Party.

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The same things we have been discussing here for ages, these drone strikes have ensured to keep the war alight and in fact spill it into those areas where nothing like this was seen before Afghanistan invasion.

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You know what, I am beginning to think that some whacky, fundo/fanatic policy makers in America actually want this outcome for some twisted beliefs like a final clash of the civilizations and a final Armageddon/End Times. Trying to force the hand of God or something.

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^ what can we say about that, their military is in control of their neocons, dont want to go in conspiracy theories but their conduct in Afghanistan and Iraq war are for us to see and think.

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There are still bombs going off in Iraq.

Pakistan and Yemen see drone attacks daily.

Iran is under constant pressure.

Afghanistan is still at war 11 years after 2001.

Syria is going through a bloody civil war.

Libya just came out of one.

Egpyt goes from a puppet regime to military dictatorship.

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US expert says drones will not influence Afghan settlement outcome | DAWN.COM

US expert says drones will not influence Afghan settlement outcomehttp://dawncompk.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/drone_reuters_1_670.jpgUS drone strike. — AP Photo

WASHINGTON: The US drone strikes against suspected militant hideouts in tribal areas will ultimately fail to influence the outcome of an Afghan settlement but they have already severely tarnished America’s image in Pakistan, an American expert stressed in a newspaper opinion piece.
Michael Krepon, who is Director South Asian Program at the Stimson Center, noted in The Washington Post that Afghanistan’s future matters more critically to Pakistan than to the United States.
“Afghanistan’s future matters much more to Pakistan than to the United States. This elemental truth is forgotten in US deliberations about how best to leverage Pakistan to achieve a political settlement in Afghanistan,” he remarked.
About the unmanned predator drone strikes that the US regularly carries out against militant sanctuaries, the expert notes they have succeeded in casting the US in more negative light than even longtime rival India in that country.
“These strikes will ultimately fail to influence the outcome of an Afghan settlement, but they have already succeeded in making the United States more hated in Pakistan than India.”
Islamabad has repeatedly denounced drone attacks on its tribal areas as counterproductive to the overall fight against terror; as such unilateral actions violate the country’s sovereignty and provoke militancy.
Human rights activists have also condemned drone strikes for killing civilians. The Obama administration officials claim drones are important in taking out al Qaeda linked militants.
In the Post writing, Krepon says, Pakistan wants a government in Kabul that, after most US troops withdraw in 2014, will be friendlier to it than India.
Pakistani resolve is rooted in the assumption that, if India gains a strong foothold in Afghanistan, then Pakistan’s largest and most resource-rich province, Balochistan, would be ripe for an India-supported insurgency, the writer says in the piece, which looks at various aspects of relations, policies and continuing tensions between the two countries.

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Shahzad Akbar, who has sued the US government on behalf of drone victims and now recently the Pakistani government, speaks about how the CIA obscures the reality of the US drone war in Pakistan and why the US did not want him to enter the United States for a recent Drone Summit in Washington, DC.

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**UN urges answers on US drone attacks, targeted killings

****GENEVA: A UN expert on Tuesday urged Washington to clarify its rules on hunting Taliban and other suspects amid a “dramatic increase” in the use of drone attacks.
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The US government has carried out targeted killings in countries including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen in raids and airstrikes and used unmanned drones, a report by investigator Christof Heyns said.
“The Special Rapporteur reiterates his predecessor’s recommendation that the government specify the bases for decisions to kill rather than capture ‘human targets’ and whether the state in which the killing takes place has given consent,” said Heyns.
In the document Heyns, special rapporteur on extrajudicial and summary executions, provides an update on steps taken by the United States to implement the recommendations of a 2009 report.

“No information has been made available on substantial changes to procedures … to ensure that strikes targeting Taliban fighters were based on reliable information and did not cause unnecessary suffering and damage to the civilian population,” he said.
“The Special Rapporteur again requests the government to clarify the rules that it considers to cover targeted killings,” the report adds.
About 300 drone strikes have been carried out in Pakistan since June 2004, according to the document.
It cited figures from the non-governmental Pakistan Human Rights Commission which said that US strikes were responsible for at least 957 deaths there in 2010.

“Although figures vary widely with regard to drone attack estimates, all studies concur on one important point: there has been a dramatic increase in their use over the past three years,” said the report.

“While these attacks are directed at individuals believed to be leaders or active members of al Qaeda or the Taliban, in the context of armed conflict, in other instances civilians have allegedly also perished in the attacks.” Heynes also said Washington should specify the safeguards it has in place to ensure in advance that targeted killings comply with international law.

“The Special Rapporteur is seriously concerned that the practice of targeted killing could set a dangerous precedent, in that any Government could, under the cover of counter-terrorism imperatives, decide to target and kill an individual on the territory of any state if it considers that said individual constitutes a threat,” the report said.

UN urges answers on US drone attacks, targeted killings | DAWN.COM

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PHC tells Musharraf’s counsel to present agreement allowing drone strikes

PESHAWAR: The Peshawar High Court has directed the counsel for former president Pervez Musharraf to thoroughly study international laws pertaining to drone strikes to help the court declare a proper order.
Heading a division bench that was hearing a writ petition filed by Advocate FM Sabir against drone incursions, CJ Khan said on Tuesday that the US has admitted that there is collateral damage as a result of unmanned strikes.
He also expressed concern over non-implementation of a resolution, denouncing deadly assaults despite its passage by the parliament last year.

“The president, prime minister, head of the armed forces, cabinet, parliament, all condemn these strikes. Then why are they not acting [against the attacks]?” the CJ asked.
Deputy Attorney-General Iqbal Mohmand told the court that the defence ministry had categorically denied any secret agreement with the US, adding that an affidavit of the ministry with a denial statement had been submitted to the court.

“Mohmand, you were earlier reluctant to debate, do you remember?” CJ Khan said. “Yes sir, it was a matter pertaining to America, but now I say it’s against international laws. It kills innocent children and women,” Mohmand responded.

Mohmand and Moazzam Butt, counsel for Musharraf, exchanged some harsh words when Butt said that the government has the documents of the accord.

“It was your boss [Musharraf] who allowed them to conduct drone attacks upon receiving a phone call. We are not supposed to answer,” Mohmand said, asking Butt to “bring your boss back to Pakistan, ask him to produce the agreement, if he had, because the first attack occurred during his era in Bajaur which killed innocent children.”
Butt was then directed by the court to produce Musharraf’s power of attorney within 15 days before the court.

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You can watch a video on the web page given below:The propaganda behind Obama’s drone war - Listening Post - Al Jazeera English

It has been one of the worst-kept secrets of the Obama administration - the aggressive campaign of drone strikes against suspected militants hiding out in the tribal areas of Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. According to the London-based Bureau of Investigative Journalism, under President Barack Obama there have been a total of 280 drone strikes on Pakistan alone and the civilian death toll has been anywhere from 482 to 832. The Obama administration puts this figure at just 60. In our News Divide this week we analyse what is behind the difference in the casualty figures the US government reports and what investigative journalists have found on the ground.

Quick hits from the world of News Bytes: WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange requests political asylum from Ecuador; broadcast regulators in Ecuador shut down six radio stations and two TV channels in two weeks; a Mexican crime reporter is found dead, the fourth reporter to be murdered in the troubled state of Veracruz in two months; and Google’s latest report on transparency reveals that Western governments are stepping up efforts to censor material online.

Somalia ranks as Africa’s most dangerous place to be a journalist - this year alone six reporters have been murdered. The threats to the media in Somalia come from all sides - there are powerful politicians in power battles with each other, there is the notorious armed group al-Shabab and even wealthy businessmen can mean danger. Trying to report on the country’s various issues has proven difficult for journalists. Those that do, do so at their peril. But that fragile media environment has not stemmed the growth of the media sector or discouraged young journalists from entering the field. In this week’s feature, Listening Post’s Flo Phillips explores the media landscape in Somalia; a country where being a journalist can cost you your life.

With the dearth in critical mainstream media coverage of the US’ covert drone war, you can sometimes learn more about that story from comedians and satirists than from newspapers and news channels. We have featured San-Francisco-based online animator, Mark Fiore’s cartoons on the show before. The Pulitzer Prize winner has a knack for cutting right to the heart of an issue and his offering on the drone story does just that. Our Internet Video of the Week is called Dronetopia; it is a satirist’s take on the virtues of waging a war by remote control. We hope you enjoy the show.

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thanks for bringing this to our attention, ill surely watch the video!

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We have no idea on what affects the drones are having on the people in Waziristan as the authorities control media access to certain areas. Personally I think sanctuaries have been allowed to set up in Waziristan and these are used to infiltrate. These people to and fro and by the times the drones attack, they hit civilians.

Pakistan allowed Waziristan to become a hotbed and the poor people there suffer because of the Americans on one side and the militants supported by elements in the ISI/Army on the other.

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Drone attacks are open terrorism against Pakistan. There also some covert terrorism sponsored by US.

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Not sure if Former US President Jimmy Carter’s views have been posted here already:

Jimmy Carter savages US foreign policy over drone strikes - NY Daily News

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^ Not posted before, thanks for sharing.

The same article from guardian.

And New York times

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/opinion/americas-shameful-human-rights-record.html?_r=1

A Cruel and Unusual RecordTHE United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights.
Revelations that top officials are targeting people to be assassinated abroad, including American citizens, are only the most recent, disturbing proof of how far our nation’s violation of human rights has extended. This development began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has been sanctioned and escalated by bipartisan executive and legislative actions, without dissent from the general public. As a result, our country can no longer speak with moral authority on these critical issues.
While the country has made mistakes in the past, the widespread abuse of human rights over the last decade has been a dramatic change from the past. With leadership from the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted in 1948 as “the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world.” This was a bold and clear commitment that power would no longer serve as a cover to oppress or injure people, and it established equal rights of all people to life, liberty, security of person, equal protection of the law and freedom from torture, arbitrary detention or forced exile.
The declaration has been invoked by human rights activists and the international community to replace most of the world’s dictatorships with democracies and to promote the rule of law in domestic and global affairs. It is disturbing that, instead of strengthening these principles, our government’s counterterrorism policies are now clearly violating at least 10 of the declaration’s 30 articles, including the prohibition against “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.”
Recent legislation has made legal the president’s right to detain a person indefinitely on suspicion of affiliation with terrorist organizations or “associated forces,” a broad, vague power that can be abused without meaningful oversight from the courts or Congress (the law is currently being blocked by a federal judge). This law violates the right to freedom of expression and to be presumed innocent until proved guilty, two other rights enshrined in the declaration.
In addition to American citizens’ being targeted for assassination or indefinite detention, recent laws have canceled the restraints in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to allow unprecedented violations of our rights to privacy through warrantless wiretapping and government mining of our electronic communications. Popular state laws permit detaining individuals because of their appearance, where they worship or with whom they associate.
Despite an arbitrary rule that any man killed by drones is declared an enemy terrorist, the death of nearby innocent women and children is accepted as inevitable. After more than 30 airstrikes on civilian homes this year in Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai has demanded that such attacks end, but the practice continues in areas of Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen that are not in any war zone. We don’t know how many hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed in these attacks, each one approved by the highest authorities in Washington. This would have been unthinkable in previous times.
These policies clearly affect American foreign policy. Top intelligence and military officials, as well as rights defenders in targeted areas, affirm that the great escalation in drone attacks has turned aggrieved families toward terrorist organizations, aroused civilian populations against us and permitted repressive governments to cite such actions to justify their own despotic behavior.
Meanwhile, the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, now houses 169 prisoners. About half have been cleared for release, yet have little prospect of ever obtaining their freedom. American authorities have revealed that, in order to obtain confessions, some of the few being tried (only in military courts) have been tortured by waterboarding more than 100 times or intimidated with semiautomatic weapons, power drills or threats to sexually assault their mothers. Astoundingly, these facts cannot be used as a defense by the accused, because the government claims they occurred under the cover of “national security.” Most of the other prisoners have no prospect of ever being charged or tried either.
At a time when popular revolutions are sweeping the globe, the United States should be strengthening, not weakening, basic rules of law and principles of justice enumerated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. But instead of making the world safer, America’s violation of international human rights abets our enemies and alienates our friends.
As concerned citizens, we must persuade Washington to reverse course and regain moral leadership according to international human rights norms that we had officially adopted as our own and cherished throughout the years.
Jimmy Carter, the 39th president, is the founder of the Carter Center and the recipient of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize.

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Thank you jimmy carter…:k:

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According to the media 24 militants were killed as a result of drone strikes in north Waziristan yesterday. The time has come when CIA and ISI should come clean and declare the identities of each and every individual being killed in FATA (each and every individual needs to be disclosed and accounted for).

Imran wants to know identities of drone attacks

Imran wants to know identities of drone attacks’ victims in NW

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Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf chief Imran Khan. – File Photo by Reuters

**LAHORE: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan, strongly condemning United States drone strike in North Waziristan which killed 24 people, said on Saturday latest drone attack speaks volumes about so-called close working partnership between Pakistan and the US in ongoing war.
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The PTI chief said rulers reopened Nato supply routes against strong sentiments of people and bypassed parliamentary resolutions to appease the US which reciprocated by continuous drone strikes, last of which killed 24 people on Friday.

He said continuing drone assaults were in clear violation of international humanitarian laws. There is complete media censorship in tribal areas and resultantly no way to ascertain identities of those killed in these strikes.

Khan demanded that government should disclose identification details of causalities so that “we know how many women children and ordinary civilians have been killed.”

He asked will any other nation allow indiscriminate killing of its citizens? The fact that their identities are not disclosed casts serious doubts on claims that those killed in strikes were militants, he added.

Khan said the government is equally responsible in indiscriminate elimination of its citizens as it has consciously avoided disclosing identification details of those killed in American drone strikes.

“Our rulers are blindly supporting US claims of high precision drone strikes and minimum collateral damage when they are actually aware of details of civilian casualties in tribal areas,” he added.

Rejecting the claims that these strikes are primarily carried out against foreign militants, he said statistics from independent organisations suggest that both US and Pakistan government are grossly under reporting civilian casualties. Accounts of local, western journalists suggest large number of civilians killed in these strikes.

The PTI chief said the government avoided commenting on stopping unilateral drone strikes that was one of most critical parliamentary preconditions before reopening Nato supply routes.

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right after nato supply routes were resumed, 2 drones strikes were carried out.

I dont think US/ISI would share those details with awaam!

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^ but we should insist to have them shared, how come they know that x number of militants have been killed if they cannot identify them?