Re: Dr Wafa Sultan–Hero
Not being a Muslim doesn’t make you an athiest PakBH. 
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan–Hero
So she is no longer a muslim. Why should muslims pay any attention to her? She has left Islam, she needs to keep her nose out of muslims business… Islam is not flawed, Islam was never flawed and never will be.
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
So muslims should only pay attention to other Muslims Kaleem?
Islam as a faith does not spread it's message on it's own, it's followers do and when the messagers are twisted and perverted then so to will the message, look at what Bin Laden has done.
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
^ Yes and it does not mean that we start listening to two bit, twit brain angry a-holes either. She is not muslim and is not trying to help muslims. The best thing she can do is to describe her greed for fame and money. That is what she is after nothing else. People who want to help do not falsify their own, they provide constructive ideas not some sesnational news bites "Islam is at fault" .....
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
Wow Kaleem I didn't realize you had met her (apparently a few times) as there is no way you could make such a judgment about her from the interview she did unless you were a total fundamentalist prick with his head up his ass. Where did you meet her?
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
UTD, so I say "Judiasim is a false religion" and then follow it up with "Let me tell you how to reform it".....I am sure all of you jew loving, libs a-holes will come over with all ears ...wouldn't you?
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
of course, Ahmad Chalabi and his crooks were heros to the americans too before the iraqi invasion. Speaking of him, where the hell is he nowadays. Did the cia cash advances dry out. Now that you are intent on invading syria, i'm not surprised to see nytimes come up with this piece. good job guys. taaliyaan
Re: Dr Wafa Sultan--Hero
Kaleem she is doing battle with those Muslims that spread carnaige using Islam as a justification to do so. Don't you have a problem with a Muslim who shoots up a school or slices the throat of a person while screaming "Allah is great"? How is this not more offensive than a cartoon?
Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
Following is transcript of Dr. WafaSultan’s interview. Now you may agree or not agree with her, She said her opinion. Why should she live under threat to her life…
2/21/2006Clip No. 1050http://www.memritv.org/images/spacer.gifArab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan: There Is No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages and That of the 21st Centuryhttp://www.memritv.org/images/spacer.gifFollowing are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American psychologist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV on February 21, 2006
. **Wafa Sultan: **The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.
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**Host: **I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?
**Wafa Sultan: **Yes, that is what I mean.
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**Host: **Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don’t mind…
**Wafa Sultan: **The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: “I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger.” When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.
My colleague has said that he never offends other people’s beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the “People of the Book,” and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians “those who incur Allah’s wrath.” Who told you that they are “People of the Book”? They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them “those who incur Allah’s wrath,” or “those who have gone astray,” and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?
I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others’ right to believe in it.
**Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: **Are you a heretic?
**Wafa Sultan: **You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural…
**Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: **If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran…
**Wafa Sultan: **These are personal matters that do not concern you.
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**Wafa Sultan: **Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don’t throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people’s beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.
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**Wafa Sultan: **The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
btw read this an interview of syrian poet Adonis
http://www.memritv.org./Transcript.asp?P1=1076
Following are excerpts from an interview by Syrian poet Adonis [Ali Ahmad Said Asbar], aired on Dubai TV on March 11, 2006.
Adonis: Words are treated today as a crime. Throughout history, there has never been anything similar to what’s happening today in our Arab society - when you say a word, it is like committing a crime.
Interviewer: True.
Adonis: Words and opinions are treated as a crime. This is inconceivable.
Interviewer: True. You can be arrested for writing an article.
Adonis: That’s one example.
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In the Koran itself, it says that Allah listened to his first enemy, Satan, and Satan refused to obey him. I believe that Allah was capable of wiping out Satan, yet He listened to Satan’s refusal to obey Him.
At the very least, we demand that Muslims today listen to people with different opinions.
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Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
Nobody even want to discuss this… ???
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/13/america/web.0313sultan.php
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
Things i gathered from the article you posted above:
She no longer considers herself Muslim or follows Islam. After the gunmen killed her professor she lost her faith and said "I had to look for another god."
She is working on a book and obviously needs publicity. She got her 15 minutes of fame on Al-Jazeera and has also been invited by American Jewsish Congress to speak in Isreal. After that she should get more than enough publicity to sell her book -- mucho dinero.
She recently passed her medical licensing exams in U.S and is yet to land a residency job. Possible places could be Cedar-Sinai Medical Center in LA.
As far as im concerned, I dont give a flying fook what she has to say :D
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
Sabi, good points, atleast you have an opinion and aren't threatening to kill her....... :-).. you have a way to look at her..
I think she has lots of guts to speak out what she believes in, whether you agree with her or not...
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
Rahul, she can have all the opinion in the world. I really dont care what she says, as ive said. Her opinion about the religion she no longer follows or believes in is no different than what Bush, Rumsfeld, and other right-wing evangelical christian conservatives like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson have been saying.
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
Did we not discuss her just a few weeks ago? 
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life…
Rahul and I didnt discuss it 
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
Thanks Sabi, Sadiyah... I went through the thread fully and franklly saw two decent posts... one from Sadiyah and Another from Man with a Plan. Otherwise some just start abusing her rather than getting into a debate or discussion on forum.
Than there were more hillarious kinds, who said everything is crap since she is a no longer Muslim.
In same article Islamic expert calls other religion "Pig" but everybody si fine with that..
I am not pushing the point of agreeing with her. My thread objective is ..
"Why is she under death threats"
I haven't seen a educated response from Islamic scholars on her, What I have seen is death threats and abuses...
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
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not true .....what about the jewish battles against the cannanites in the holy land? Book of Joshua
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When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to start this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.
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History is not her strongpoint.......empires whether islamic, christian or any religion for that matter have always used that logic
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Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book,"
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are these derogatry terms? Book means that these people are also blessed with the holy books
what about the muslims being called mohammedians and infidels in the not so distant past and Prophet(saw) associatted with a idol Mahmet
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What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?
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so what? does this mean that the Koran is anti-semitic ?
even the jewish prophets repeatedly warn their followers from straying away from the right path.Furthermore even muslims who do not follow islamic injunctions are severly reprimmended in the koran
so Allah hates them(jews) because of their ethnicity or race?
remember the grts villian in koran is Pharoah Ramses II who was the biggest ENEMY of the jewish people
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**Wafa Sultan: **The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge
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that is partially true
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, not with their terror, with their work
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palestine 1940s numerous terrorist acts by them
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not their crying and yelling
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what else can you call these holocaust memorials???
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Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists
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cant argue with that they are intelligent people no doubt
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We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church
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Allied bombers in WW2 took care of that
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We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people
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targeted assainations which lead to massive collateral damages?
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The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy.
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I didnt like the blowing up of buddhas so I cant defend their actions
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Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies
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again if your target audience are those with no sense of history then this sweeping and superficial statement will make perfect sense
.But violence to achieve political objectives was and still is common in all religions
Rahul67
, regarding the deaththreat personally i think is useless it only makes these people more famous and appealing There is a saying in urdu
Kotay ko haddee daloo tu wo aur zor say bookhta hai
if you throw a bone at the dog it will only bark louder
(sorry for the rather crude translation)
Re: Dr. Wafa Sultan, Why is she under threat to her life...
Das, thanks, overall a good response..
Some of the clarification you gave come from centuries ago, and that's one of the point she (not me, I have my point of view) makes that Islam got stuck in that era ...
"It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century."