Why do we have to look at Indians everytime to see ourselves? Why do we have to express joy at someone's misery? Why can't we look at our issues and try to solve them instead of saying 'hey our neighbor is not doing any better so lets forget and not solve the issue'. Why do you insist on burying your head in the sand?
bro i dont know what u talkin about and i never look at indians.they are distinct from Pakistani's with different culture,looks,Traditions,economy etc etc.
and i never expressed joy.all professions are noble provided they are legal and halal.
all i said was that a friend of mine returned from Armenia a small country bordering Turkey and and maybe azerbaijan and iran.He told me that all the cab drivers on the airport were Indian's.i dont know what makes it so unbelivable for you like they were indians not aliens and they are driving cabs not teleporting crafts.
you can google to see the amount of cab drivers that are in australia,russia,Gulf states,turkey,greece,singapur,malaysia and Somalia.
actually in somalia the no of indian cab drivers has declined in the past few years cause of law and order situation.
So you are saying the author is lying. How come Dr. Iftekhar has become driver Ifti? Though your earlier post make sense. The point system in Canada sucks. Professionals should not be happy if they qualify point system and ultimately driving taxis. To preserve self esteem and self respect stick to your country and live gracefully. door ke dhol suhanay lagtay hain.:)
I never said that nor implied.
I said the problem is not huge. Dr. Ifti probabaly as the article suggested jumped over the fence when problem developed for people in US.
I mentioned that point system does not include doctors in Canada my dear friend.
I think the blogger is looking down at the taxi driving as profession. If someone is earning and paying bills by driving taxis, there is no harm as it is not haram. Perhaps many Pakistanis carry the Hindu casteism as part of their world view too. And a high caste would thing taxi drivers as untouchable.
They don't realize that engineers and doctors too are lowest caste by profession. So need to ride the high horse.
Immigrants have always worked tough jobs so that their next generation gets good education and decent living. Hopefully Dr. Ifti's next generation will get good education and higher standard in the Canadian society (and not become radicalized like some posters from US/EU and Canada.
Here is a response to the blogger right there on dawn comments.
Maher Elahi says:
May 3, 2010 at 6:01
It seems that author does not subscribe to good work ethics. Each society needs its members to carry out various jobs entailing various type of works for wholesome functioning. The lawful and honest day’s works may be different from one an other but none is inferior or superior. It is shame that the work of taxi drivers has been presented in this piece as a high caste but misguided person may present the professions of untouchables in India. Some immigrants who come to these blessed lands can not get rid of their abominable mentality and attitude. they do not fully appreciate the working of the system based on the dignity of labour and abundance of opportunities . One does hope that perhaps their next generations will be immune from such maladies.
This is quite depressing and disgusting. Professionals coming to Canada should think 1000 times what they want to do. They can earn money gracefully in their own country rather than driving taxis.
Last time I checked, Taxi Driving, Pizza Delivery, Dish Washing etc were not disgraceful jobs at all.
Do you care to list few "graceful" and "disgraceful" jobs for my guidance so that I dont end up in some disgraceful job.
You know what is disgraceful? our thinking that these jobs (like cab driving etc) are disgraceful and thats why we (as a nation) are struggling. Its pity that followers of the religion in which Khalifa/king used to do labor job and never felt ashamed, followers think that those jobs are disgraceful. West does everything that Islam has taught minus basic pillars of Islam and look how fast they are moving ahead. Open your eyes, smell the air!
^i agree with u.all jobs/profession are decent and honourable provided they are halal and legal.
we muslims dont look down upon someone earning halal through hard labour.
^i agree with u.all jobs/profession are decent and honourable provided they are halal and legal.
we muslims dont look down upon someone earning halal through hard labour.
Probably you mean "we Muslims SHOULD not look down"
Do you care to list few "graceful" and "disgraceful" jobs for my guidance so that I dont end up in some disgraceful job.
You know what is disgraceful? our thinking that these jobs (like cab driving etc) are disgraceful and thats why we (as a nation) are struggling. Its pity that followers of the religion in which Khalifa/king used to do labor job and never felt ashamed, followers think that those jobs are disgraceful. West does everything that Islam has taught minus basic pillars of Islam and look how fast they are moving ahead. Open your eyes, smell the air!
I think there is a lack understanding. Thread is not about whether taxi driving is halal or not. The thread is about Pakistani qualified personnel leave their country and their lucrative and graceful jobs come to Canada and driving taxis which is of course disgraceful for a qualified doctor or any other professional. Have you ever seen a Canadian or an American qualified doctor ever drove a taxi? Imagine how much time they have wasted and government money. Do you have any idea?
yes, a lot of taxi drivers are Pakistanis now. over the past 4-5 years in the downtown core, I've noticed that most cabs are being driven by Pakistanis. wasn't always the case. but about 5 years ago, I started noticing that if you walked past any cabstand, you'd hear Punjabi. and they speak Pakistani Punjabi not the Sikh kind.
Canada is notorious for being extremely difficult with doctors. there was a British guy who had a PhD in some medical field apart from being a specialist doctor... and they gave him a hard time before realizing how retarded they were being. Canada is just awful with doctors. some of it is simple economics. or at least that is what my optometrist was saying. he says that the doctors' associations ensure that there is a perennial shortage of doctors in Canada for their own selfish economic gains. which means keeping medical school spots low and keeping out foreign trained doctors.
other fields are not as bad. for example, if you're an engineer, first thing you gotta do is look up the PEO chapter and go from there. are you going to get a job at the same level as you had before? of course, not. but it's a starting point.
education standards also vary. I remember meeting some relative of an old family friend. he had a PhD in Chemistry or something. was extremely bitter, etc. but the guy couldn't speak a word of English. so, what was he expecting here?
racism is not the right word to use here. there is discrimination against people who are not educated in Canada. that is a valid issue. but you could be any color and if you were educated here, you will be okay.
and even the issue with not recognizing foreign academic credentials and the frustration of immigrants is being raised... not enough importance is being given to it. but some of the fault rests with us immigrants. it's easier to whine and become a victim than raise your voice, fight for your rights and be smart about your job hunt.
I think there is a lack understanding. Thread is not about whether taxi driving is halal or not. The thread is about Pakistani qualified personnel leave their country and their lucrative and graceful jobs come to Canada and driving taxis which is of course disgraceful for a qualified doctor or any other professional. Have you ever seen a Canadian or an American qualified doctor ever drove a taxi? Imagine how much time they have wasted and government money. Do you have any idea?
lol...You have no idea what you are saying. Don't know why you are so defensive of a ludicurous article..!
^^^^^I exactly write what I am saying. I am not defending the journalist. Living here for the past 17 years, I can assure you that the journalist is telling the truth. If paki doctors or professionals do not feel disgrace in driving taxis here so be it. Perhaps you guys don\'t realize how much tax payer money wasted by the poor government of Pakistan and how much the education system of Pakistan is down graded by these professionals. As some one has pointed out poor education system of the University of Punjab. Keep on living in fools paradise. Who cares? Hum to badnaamhain aaisayto waisay bhi sahih:)
^^^^^I exactly write what I am saying. I am not defending the journalist. Living here for the past 17 years, I can assure you that the journalist is telling the truth. If paki doctors or professionals do not feel disgrace in driving taxis here so be it. Perhaps you guys don\'t realize how much tax payer money wasted by the poor government of Pakistan and how much the education system of Pakistan is down graded by these professionals. As some one has pointed out poor education system of the University of Punjab. Keep on living in fools paradise. Who cares? Hum to badnaamhain aaisayto waisay bhi sahih:)
OK. You need a reality check here.!!!
1- First explain what is so disgraceful about driving a taxi and making a living?
2- What percentage of doctors trained in Pakistan might be driving taxi abroad..forget abroad just tell how many in Canada?
3- You seem to be worried about tax money wasted over doctors driving taxi.
So let me ask you how many professionals including doctors actually ARE working 'outside' Pakistan even in their respective professions? Where did that tax money go? Pakistan is not getting the tax money back on them either.
And what fraction of them are driving taxi in Canada which is causing you or the writer of this article to roll over with pain?
4- And what is this got to do with false notion that somehow the education system in Pakistan is downgraded or low grade?
The edication system is fine dude, it is the lack of oppurtunity which makes a difference or socio-economic reasons, political reasons etc. which could make someone hard working and honest person to drive a taxi or be a gas station attendant despite being a professionally educated.
And regarding your comment on someone in america being a doctor and doing odd jobs, you need to know that there are physicians who for one or more reasons do and did jobs like working as loader in home depot or running a restaurant.
Are you smoking something we need to know?
Like I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. :)
Whats wrong with taxi driving. Some people earn more driving taxis in the UK than being a doctor.
A for taxis and who dominates it - in the UK it is pakistanis for sure.
If you didn't spend 16-19 years in school/college/university then I don't find anything wrong in driving a taxi. However, if you spent so much time (and country's resources) for education then you chose a profession which doesn't require such education then there is something wrong somewhere.
diwana,Here is response for your rhetoric. I have already said if Pakistani professionals are o.k. with driving taxis so be it. But the fact remains as follows:-
There is hardy any difference between sindhi/punjabi on both side of the border(or atleast north india. Why dont u walk around times square wearing a t-shirt, that says i am a pakistani not an indian , I am sure indians will thank u. In fact u gave me great idea! Sell “I am not a Pakistani” to south asian in general and muslims in particular. The way this jihadis are going even pakistani in US or atleast brooklyn, ny will be the buyers.
NEW YORK: Pakistani merchants and job seekers in the United States, still reeling from economic hardship since the Sept. 11 attacks of 2001, are posing as Indians to avoid discrimination in the wake of the Times Square bomb attempt.
This jihadi morons has screwed up north american pakistani’s life big time. Brooklyn, ny has perhaps the largest concentration of pakistanis after toronto,canada.
Before zia-ulloo-haq the cultural similarity between these two parts of countries was vert obvious. Its only after that pakistanis started prentending to be arab wahabis that the cultural difference has grown.
diwana,Here is response for your rhetoric. I have already said if Pakistani professionals are o.k. with driving taxis so be it. But the fact remains as follows:-
Well, if only your position was being OK with. But your posts talk about something else.
You raised the issue of tax money or something about so called bad education. The negativity in your posts had to be asnwered.
You wrote something about being badnaam also hence the response.
As for Captain comment, yes it is ideal for someone to be able to pursue his or her career like they intended, but this is not possible for everyone and it happens everywhere. No need to look down on people who cannot or could not. Just be humble and thankful.
You keep on justifying your positivity about doctors driving taxis, the fact remains that some thing is basically wrong. These guys should stay at home do dignified jobs unless they feel qualified to do the same in Canada or USA rather than driving taxis to avoid taxes here, down grade themselves, down grade the education system of Pakistan, wasting government money at home, and snatching the right of other deserving candidate who really wants to serve as doctors. Perhaps you will not understand this logic and keep on rhetoric misguiding other doctors to do the same thing, killing their self esteem and self respect.