Dr Afridi gets 33 years imprisonment

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By reading the replies, it can be concluded that most of the Pakistanis are with Osama by heart. This is the only fact why Pakistan is facing a virtual isolation in the civilised world. Has anybody guessed the scenario where Dr Afridi had informed Pakistani Govt about CIA planning-- Pakistan Govt without any delay would have transferred the inmates of Abottabad house to some safe point and would have announced that US is doing unnecessary witchhunting and that there is no person like Osama ever present in Pakistan. The same denial approach which Pak Govt applies for Dawood Ibrahim, Hafeez Saeed and similar miscreants.

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OK. Lets take a step back.

Is he a traitor? Did he performed treason by working for Foreign Secret Service

Yes or No

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Why did not he inform pakistani authorities?

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Mentality of either you are with us or against us. Calling white, white should not make you friend of black.

and what civilized world are you talking about? I guess you meant to say Rich and/or developed countries right?

OR you are talking about same civilized world that lied purposely to UN and attacked Iraq to kill 1000s of men, women and children. You talking about that Civilized world?

do not even go there. Lets keep it to if Afridi's punishment is right or wrong.

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Yeah and the world is like machine language either zero or one, do you know how many alqaeda leaders are in American custody who have all been arrested by Pakistan and handed over to them. Its an interesting logic that the people who do not support the spy are infact supporting Osama. Maybe Americans will buy into this logic but any sensible person won't. As far as hafiz Saeed is concerned the Indians have not given any tangible proofs for convicting him which has been accepted by the Americans when they announced bounty on him.

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I believe Musharraf needs to be brought back to Pakistan and tried for the war on terror in an FCR court as well so that the justice to the people of FATA is served.

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No he is not traitor. He did not deceive Pakistan nor worked against Pakistan or against interest of Pakistan. He did not harm Pakistan in any way. He did not violated trust that Pakistan should have on any Pakistani citizen.

He worked for American government to locate a wanted criminal USA thought was hiding in Pakistan, and report criminal’s location to USA.

If he is traitor than all Pakistanis who work for American government or any foreign government in Pakistan or abroad, are traitors.

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It's funny how everyone is applauding the conviction, but the actual "trial" and the absence of due process hasn't been commented on - where is the law is the law argument now?

Shouldn't the rule of law be applied to all equally or was the handing down of the foregone conviction more important than a fair trial?

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Why is this doctor called guilty of treason? he helped catch a terrorist. Only terrorists will accuse him of being a traitor!

Pakistan made a huge huge blunder with this case.

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Possibly the most ludicrous thing I've read on GS during my years here, trust me for your post to be ranked number one in the pile of the most ridiculous statements is saying something.

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who says that there was an absence of process? He was tried under FCR law which might be different than law of main land Pakistan its not uncommon.

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ttp://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/05/26/news/national/lawyers%E2%80%99-forum-aman-tehreek-to-appeal-against-dr-afridi%E2%80%99s-conviction/

PESHAWAR - The Aman Tehreek, in collaboration with the FATA Lawyers Forum, is going to file an appeal in the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) tribunal on behalf of Dr Shakil Afridi, who was sentenced to 33 years of rigorous imprisonment for helping the US by confirming al Qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad last year. Aman Tehrik Convener Idrees Kamal and FATA Lawyers Forum President Ijaz Mohmand on Friday held a detail meeting in Peshawar. Later, the two sides announced embarking on a legal battle in favour of Dr Afridi.
Kamal said during the meeting, the two sides signed applications for getting Dr Afridi’s signature for the attorney and also a copy of the verdict from the office of Khyber Agency assistant political agent. Both the applications have been submitted before the quarters concerned. When contacted, Kamal told Pakistan Today that Dr Afridi had made contributions in response to appeals, commitments and assurances being made in connection with the war on terror by the United States and its allies. Pakistan is not only an ally in wear on terror but even with its consents, million of rupees advertisements published in national, regional and local newspapers against al Qaeda Chief Osama Bin Laden, his other associates and leading figures from the banned Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan and other militant groups. Upon getting copies of APA verdict against Dr Afridi, Mohmand will form a body of legal experts for framing appeal before the FCR tribunal, who is Peshawar Division commissioner. The two also announced approaching the superior courts if the FCR tribunal go for rejecting of appeal. So far Kamal and Mohmand along with other members from both the forums have called upon the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government to ensure Dr Afridi’s safety as the Peshawar Central Jail was dominated by hundreds of terrorists and militants. They have asked for him to be shifted of him to a secret place, which might be declared a sub jail. According to Kamal, Dr Afridi is one amongst those who made contribution in the war on terror and therefore deserved appreciation and not conviction.

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It would be nice to remind those celebrating Dr Afridi’s jail term reember that elements who hid OBL are still walking free. I have known always that there is a link between the ISI/Army and militants but not so deep that they would shelter the wolrds most wanted man and think they could get away with it.

Why are those who have heaped so much humiliation on Pakistan allowed to walk free? Why are nt those who celebrate Dr Afridis jail term and condemn him for what he did, demanding that members of the ISI/Armed forces who hid OBL brought to justice?

Our system prefers violent extremists who committ murder like Qadri and militant outfits who routinely kill innocent people.

Once again Pakistan has lost a media battle and then we complain the media portrays us in a negative and biased way. What do we expect though?

A hero or a traitor? – The Express Tribune

Dr Shakil Afridi has been sentenced to 33 years in prison on treason charges for his role in helping the CIA obtain DNA samples of Osama bin Laden’s children and thus confirming his location. According to press reports, an official jirga constituted by the political agent of Khyber Agency tried him under the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) and passed the sentence.

The fact of the matter is that Dr Afridi’s sentence on the charge of treason has already attracted international condemnation and is further going to complicate things for Pakistan because the rest of the world will use it to question its sincerity in fighting terrorism and extremism. Two senior American lawmakers, Senators John McCain and Carl Levin, have, in a joint statement, said that the sentence is the “furthest thing” from treason because Dr Afridi helped get rid of a man who had “the blood of thousands of Pakistanis on his hands”.
Whatever one makes of the issue, the fact is that Dr Afridi’s punishment sends a clear message to the world at large: that his help in locating Osama was seen by the Pakistan state as an act of treason. It also sends a s**trong message to others like Afridi: close your eyes and your mouths if you know the location of other terrorists or else you will also be tried for crimes against the state.
**The news of the sentencing has generated considerable debate on social media forums and this is reflective of the divisions that exist in Pakistani society. **Many saw what Dr Afridi has done as something heroic and courageous, saying that he had actually acted with patriotism because he helped rid Pakistan of a terrorist and in the process weakened al Qaeda and its affiliates. In the past decade or so, these terrorist outfits have killed thousands of Pakistanis — including women and children — and have had no qualms targeting markets, mosques, funeral congregations, jirgas and other public places.
**But there are others who consider **Dr Afridi a traitor for his role in helping the Americans eliminate Osama. In this camp fall our various religio-political parties, militant organisations, the military establishment and its sympathisers and of course the ghairat brigade.
**Regardless of whether Dr Afridi is a hero or a traitor, some important technical and legal questions arise regarding the charge of treason levelled against him and the holding of **his trial through an official jirga under the FCR. He has been accused of “waging war against the state” and of “concealing a plan to wage war against the state”. The truth of the matter is that the doctor’s actions do not appear to fall under the definition of treason by any stretch of imagination. Other than that, the alleged crime of treason was committed in Abbottabad and not in Khyber Agency. So, how can the assistant political agent (who sentenced him) try the doctor for a crime allegedly committed in a settled area?
**Furthermore, the **Constitution guarantees the rights of the accused, even those who commit treason, and also guarantees them the right to a free and fair trial with access to a lawyer. To make things even worse, the trial by an official jirga under the FCR means that Clause 7 of Article 247 comes into effect and this bars the jurisdiction of the Peshawar High Court and the Supreme Court of Pakistan from hearing appeals on his case.
**Many like me are simply unable to digest the fact that **those involved in the targeted lynching of Ahmadis, Christians and Shias and indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians get away with their crimes because of “lack of evidence”. **And those like Dr Afridi, who assist in getting rid of the world’s most dreaded terrorist are swiftly tried and punished — 33 years in prison!

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Pakistan officials: Doctor’s sentence payback for bin Laden raid, U.S. need to move on | Fox News

**Top Pakistani government officials on Friday said the 33-year prison sentence for the doctor who helped the CIA track down Usama bin Laden is payback for how the U.S. went about getting the Al Qaeda leader, and they shrugged off criticism of the verdict by telling America to stop “over-reacting” and “take a deep breath.”

**“You got Usama bin Laden. We’re happy he got killed. But the way it was done we’re not happy with. We didn’t like that," a Pakistani official told Fox News. The official spoke on condition of anonymity due to what he described as the fragile state of U.S.-Pakistani relations.

The latest comments did not sit well with lawmakers who have been speaking out for Dr. Shakil Afridi, questioning why the Obama administration did not do more to protect the doctor and his family before he was arrested last year.

**“The reaction indicates how out of touch the leaders of that country are with reality,” California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, chairman of a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee, said Friday. “They are so blinded by their radical Islamic ideology that they cannot see our outrage is justified.”
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In a strong bipartisan display of congressional anger in response to Afridi’s jail term, senators on Thursday voted 30-0 in committee to cut $33 million in aid to Pakistan – one million for every year of his sentence. That move came a day after a tribal court in Pakistan – where the doctor was not allowed to be represented by a lawyer – passed its sentence. The diplomatic friction has also complicated negotiations between the countries about Pakistan re-opening overland supply routes to Afghanistan.

Afridi ran a vaccination program for the CIA to collect DNA and verify bin Laden’s presence at the compound in the Pakistani town of Abbottabad where U.S. commandos found and killed bin Laden in a stealthy raid in May 2011. Viewed as a hero in the U.S. for helping nab the terrorist mastermind behind 9/11, Afridi was treated like a criminal in Pakistan, a Muslim nation whose alliance with the U.S. has been uneasy.

The latest developments came the same day sources told Fox News that Afridi’s physical condition in jail is deteriorating and that he has been placed on a suicide watch. There are also new questions about whether he received a fair trial and whether a federal tribunal would have been more sympathetic.

One of the founders of Pakistan’s constitution and a top Supreme Court lawyer in that country told Fox News that Afridi should not have been tried by a tribal court and would not have been convicted if he had faced a federal court.

“The Jirga didn’t have the jurisdiction and they exercised power without jurisdiction,” said Ahmed Kasuri, senior attorney in the Supreme Court of Pakistan. “And if some court were to apply power without jurisdiction, it’s a nullity in the eyes of the law. It’s got no significance. The appellate authority can forthright set aside that decision.”

Pakistani officials continued to insist the U.S. should not let the case dictate broader policy. Supply lines were closed after a U.S. attack on the Pakistani side of the border killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November, and reopening them is a key priority for the U.S.

**"The U.S. is allowing one issue to become so bloated, at a difficult time,” one official told Fox News.
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Those concerns don’t seem to be shared by U.S. lawmakers, who continue to call for Afridi’s release.

“All of us are outraged at the imprisonment and sentence of some 33 years, virtually a death sentence to the doctor," Arizona Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Thursday. “It frankly outraged all of us.”

GOP lawmakers also have raised questions about how Pakistan learned of Afridi’s involvement in the operation that led to bin Laden’s death. Officials in the Obama administration insist that it did not reveal it, telling Fox News the Pakistanis found Afridi “on their own.”

But Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has charged the administration officials talked about the doctor and his DNA sampling in describing the raid and implied that the loose talk led to Afridi’s capture.

“This has been handled very poorly right from the time of the raid,” said King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. “They put him out there.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday the administration thinks Pakistan’s treatment of Afridi is “unjust and unwarranted." She also said the administration is talking to Pakistan officials about the situation, saying discussions are occurring about a range of important issues, with the doctor’s treatment among them.

Afridi’s lawyer, Samiullah Afridi, told AFP he plans to appeal the sentence.

“We have requested the Khyber administration to provide us with the documents related to the trial and conviction, and once we get them, we will file an appeal in the office of the commissioner of the Frontier Crimes Regulation,” he said.

The lawyer, general secretary of the Peace Movement, a civil society group against militancy, said the doctor did not commit any crime, but had instead worked “to help eliminate terrorism.”

Read more: Pakistan officials: Doctor’s sentence payback for bin Laden raid, U.S. need to move on | Fox News

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Motivations are very clear, Americans would like to have their man released or it will severely affect their ability to recruit people around the world to work for their spy agencies. Pakistanies want to deter anyone working for american spy agencies by giving harsh sentence.

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nopthing ridiculous about it. Any civilized person will reward somebody who helps catch terrorists like osama. When the country's institutions are mis-used like this to discourage informers such as this guy, what does that tell you of these institutions? Are they not terrorizng informers who help catch terorrists by this action?

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Interesting article, must read…

Robert Fisk: The going price of getting away with murder… would $33m be enough? - Robert Fisk - Commentators - The Independent

La Clinton hath spoken. Thirty-three million smackers lopped off Pakistan’s aid budget because its spooks banged up poor old Dr Shakeel Afridi for 33 years after a secret trial. And, as the world knows, Dr Afridi’s crime was to confirm the presence of that old has-been Osama bin Laden in his grotty Abbottabad villa.

Well, that will teach the Pakistanis to mess around with a brave doctor who is prepared to help the American institution that tortures and murders its enemies. Forget the CIA’s black prisons and rendition and water-boarding, and the torture of the innocents in the jails of our friendly dictators. Dr Afridi was just doing the free world a favour. And WOW, Dr Afridi got shopped by Leon Pannetta when he was CIA boss, and now Barack Obama is accused of letting him down.

Well, I pause here. Dr Afridi was brought before a secret trial in the Khyber tribal area – no charge sheets, no lawyers, no statements from the defendant or the prosecution, just a measly accusation of conspiracy against the state of Pakistan and “high treason”. I’ve never known the difference between “treason” and “high treason” but – since Pakistan’s security apparatus is a mirror image of the British Empire – I assume it was invented by us. “High treason” means treason against the monarch. By fingering Bin Laden, after using a ruse about vaccinating his family against hepatitis B to gain access to him, Dr Afridi was committing treason against King Asif Ali Zardari, otherwise known as the President of Pakistan.

**But hold on a moment. Let’s suppose Vladimir Putin sent a KGB/FSB hit squad to Britain to murder a former agent called Alexander Litvinenko who had turned against his old spymasters. And let’s suppose that the Russians murdered Litvinenko. Which – in real life – they did. And Litvinenko – in real life – was indeed a trusted agent of the Russians, just as Bin Laden was a much-admired servant of the CIA when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.
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**Getting a bit close to home? Well, let’s go a stage further. Supposing Litvinenko was murdered after being identified by a friendly British GP – working for the KGB/FSB – who vaccinated the Litvinenko family against hep B. What do Messrs Cameron and Clegg and the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and the Lord Chief Justice and the Lord High Executioner and all the other nabobs do? Do they accuse the British GP of treason, clap him in irons, stage a hush-hush trial covered by the Official Secrets Act and send the chap off to rot in the Tower of London for – say – 33 years?

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**Or do they accept a bribe from Moscow of, say, $33m (£21m) to let the GP out of jug so he can potter off to Moscow to be given a new home and restart his career as a doktor for the nomenklatura?

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**In other words, are the Pakistanis being so dastardly when they lock up a national who has helped a foreign power murder an exile inside his own country of Pakistan? And, more to the point, wouldn’t we do the same?
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And let’s take the story of hypocrisy a stage further. Wasn’t there a brave Israeli citizen called Mordechai Vanunu, who, in opposition to the nuclear weapons that his country was amassing in secret, spoke out to the world about this outrageous threat to international world order and was subsequently kidnapped from Italy by intelligence agents, tried in Israel for “treason” – in secret, of course – and spent 18 years in prison? Now I grant you that’s 15 years shorter than poor old Dr Afridi, but Vanunu still lives under grave restrictions to his liberty and has twice been imprisoned again for the heinous crime of chatting to foreign journalists.

And has La Clinton threatened to suspend a single dollar of Israel’s annual $3bn in aid from the United States for the next 33 years in order to protest Israel’s treatment of Vanunu? Not to mention – not even to utter the words – Sabra and Chatila, Gaza, a 45-year occupation, illegal colonisation of West Bank land, etc, etc, or, indeed, for producing nuclear weapons. And we absolutely must not mention Jonathan Pollard, the former CIA and US Navy intelligence officer sentenced to life in prison in 1987 for spying for Israel. For if Pollard is not released, is Israel threatening to cut its aid to America? Hold on, that doesn’t quite compute, does it? But you get the point.

It’s about hypocrisy. Sure, Pakistan is a corrupt country. Sure, it is corrupt from the shoeshiner up to the pinnacles of power. But I suppose in the end, if you’re going to prostitute yourself to America – financially and militarily, as Pakistan has done for decades – that’s the price you pay. Which is why hypocrisy will win. For Dr Afridi, I predict, will be quietly given a substantial reduction in his sentence, will be released – or disappear – from his Pakistani prison and, in a few months/ years, when Zardari has scored enough points from Dr Afridi’s imprisonment, the good doctor will pop up in the US with a fine medical practice and the pleasure of knowing – of course – that La Clinton has re-endowed Pakistan with its missing $33m.

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Yeah, he broke the law. Wasn't Pakistani government trying to do the same. Weren't they suppose to be helping US nab OBL. Accepting the public announcement of bounty on his head, not even objecting to it. If it is genuinely angry about US violating Pakistani soverignity then the government would have done the following:

  1. Sacked somebody in the SPY agency for incompotency.
  2. Cut-off all relations with US.
  3. Not returned the helicoptor parts
  4. Try the doctor for treason.

First action would means accepting that we genuienly dropped the ball on OBL's whereabout not deliberately hiding him. (By product is proving to Military the elected governemnt is the boss)

Second and third action would have proven that "agreed we dropped the ball on OBL; but we don't like our soverignity being trampled". But alas, even today Drones are having field day.

I know many of you would say, that would have invited even bigger retaliation from US and army would have taken over etc., But, if you have nothing to hide you should be willing to face any or all consequences of standing-up for your right - no matter who the opponent is. Take Iranian example, in their own right, they see nothing wrong in enriching Uraniam and they are not mincing words about it. (If only they don't sabre rattle abuot Israel's existence, probaby, it would not even be as much of an issue).

Again, it's Pakistan government's hypocricy that's at display here (if you don't want to call is lack of courage of conviction). I

ts either playing the Pakistani people or the West - either way it does not appear to do a good job. This hypocracy is Musharaf's legacy which this government could have easily dismantled. Like GW Bush squandered the good will after 9/11 with meaningless Iraq war, the current government last the good will it (and opportunity) gained in shedding of Ms. Bhutto's blood.

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A news regarding the latest darling of the liberals.

Shakil Afridi was described as unreliable, corrupt in 2002 report – The Express Tribune