Re: Dr Afridi gets 33 years imprisonment
You are right that there is ‘possibility’ he was in Abbotabad during Musharraf period too. Regardless of OBL was there or not, one thing is fact that ISI failed. That failure happened during present regime or during ‘present as well as past regime’, does not matter.
That is the reason I wrote that Afridi did what ‘ISI and CIA’ together failed, thus Afridi should be made head of ISI. 
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Hmm, well they have already posted a person in place of pasha 
good suggestion though. 
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New man had no proven record, Afridi has. But then you are right, Pasha failed and we can now hope that new man would make some difference to past failures. :)
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Traitor - an interesting word. Loyalty - another interesting word. Conscience - that's yet another novel idea. And how about justice and perverted justice, gosh what a whole lot of principles that are being defended!
But hey, let no man or woman defile the sovereignty of Pakistan and work for foreign interests. That's a job best left to the elected politicians of Pakistan, eh?
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Traitor - an interesting word. Loyalty - another interesting word. Conscience - that's yet another novel idea. And how about justice and perverted justice, gosh what a whole lot of principles that are being defended!
But hey, let no man or woman defile the sovereignty of Pakistan and work for foreign interests. That's a job best left to the elected politicians of Pakistan, eh?
If that is the case than one should not complain if USA attacks Pakistan with drone, put their boots in Pakistan to kill militants, or militants taking refuge in Pakistan to violate sovereignty of Pakistan as well as other countries ... as all what is happening in Pakistan is with the consent of elected representatives in power (Pakistan government), regardless of what they say within Pakistan to make fool of Pakistanis.
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He acted as a present day Mir Jaffar or Mir Sadiq. I agree with mAd_ScIeNtIsT on this.
He betrayed the trust of his own army. At the least, he should have worked with ISI on this.
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Traitor - an interesting word. Loyalty - another interesting word. Conscience - that's yet another novel idea. And how about justice and perverted justice, gosh what a whole lot of principles that are being defended!
But hey, let no man or woman defile the sovereignty of Pakistan and work for foreign interests. That's a job best left to the elected politicians of Pakistan, eh?
words made of stone wrapped in silk cloth. Brilliant!
let's just change the bolded word above to selected and read it again and taste the sarcasm in the post with shame, shall we?
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^ I think they have tried him in FATA because of FCR where there is no legal representation, witnesses required etc. From ordinary courts he might have been freed due to the witness laws.
No, they tried him because the FATA is governed by British-written laws (Frontier Crimes Regulations) that state that the punishment for treason is jail. If he was tried outside of the FATA, the only punishment that a judge can give for treason is execution under the Pakistan Criminal Code that exists in the rest of the country.
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Right decision. He worked for a foreign govt and that was not acceptable. If you turn the situation around and US had caught a guy working for Pak or any other govt, what would they have done. Heck they arrest you at the airport if your name is Khan.
The correct course of action for this guy was to inform the Pak govt and let it take the decision, not that I have nay faith in the current govt.
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One nation's hero is other nation's traitor.
US can have their hero oncce we are done with our traitor:ASA:
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The correct course of action for this guy was to inform the Pak govt and let it take the decision, not that I have nay faith in the current govt.
^ Faith in the government that has done what exactly for it's people? Ah, yes. A whole lot of nothing!
But of course we must protect the sovereignty of the nation and the national interests of the nation, at least as it appears to outsiders, while the democratic and judicial systems fall to pieces for the people who live within.
I wonder how people measure what's right? Was capturing Osama Bin Laden the right thing? Is the bruised pride of Pakistan more important than the end goal? Or should this doctor have notified ISI so it could negotiate arms/cash or other benefits for cooperating in the capture of Osama?
If Dr. Afridi can keep his head high when he answers to Allah on the day of Judgment - then he has done nothing wrong. That is MY measure of right versus wrong.
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Right decision. He worked for a foreign govt and that was not acceptable. If you turn the situation around and US had caught a guy working for Pak or any other govt, what would they have done. Heck they arrest you at the airport if your name is Khan.
The correct course of action for this guy was to inform the Pak govt and let it take the decision, not that I have nay faith in the current govt.
Instead of making scape goats, army chief and and chief of ISI should have resigned the day OBL was killed. He was living in army garrison protected by some army personnel, who is going to punish them?
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^^ Resign the same way every corrupt PPP minister did in past?
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^ Faith in the government that has done what exactly for it's people? Ah, yes. A whole lot of nothing!
But of course we must protect the sovereignty of the nation and the national interests of the nation, at least as it appears to outsiders, while the democratic and judicial systems fall to pieces for the people who live within.
I wonder how people measure what's right? Was capturing Osama Bin Laden the right thing? Is the bruised pride of Pakistan more important than the end goal? Or should this doctor have notified ISI so it could negotiate arms/cash or other benefits for cooperating in the capture of Osama?
If Dr. Afridi can keep his head high when he answers to Allah on the day of Judgment - then he has done nothing wrong. That is MY measure of right versus wrong.ng
Just because the govt is incompetent, inept and corrupt that does not give us the right to betray our nation. Whether he can keep his head high on the day of Judgement only Allah knows but he is being judged by the court of law in the country he has allegedly betrayed. It is not only a case of bruised ego or pride, it is also a case of loyalty to your own country and people.
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Instead of making scape goats, army chief and and chief of ISI should have resigned the day OBL was killed. He was living in army garrison protected by some army personnel, who is going to punish them?
so should have the PM and president, afterall it was under their watch but they didnt even had the guts to face the people fora week or so. Why only the army chief why not the govt of the day. Oh forgot the govt of the day is so beysharam they will not resign under any circumstances.
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I have a difference of opinion with a lot of other posters on this issue, so won't belabour my point, except to say:
Maybe, just maybe his actions were an act of loyalty of protection for his compatriots. In aiding the "enemy" by outing a man accused of masterminding attrocities, his actions may have protected his fellow Pakistanis. He did what his government failed to do - which was to help find and apprehend a suspected war criminal.
Oh, and one more point. Machiavelli was one of my favourite political strategists and theorists because of his passion for his nation-state. Nothing was more important than to protect it and it's survival. To accomplish that, he believed that sometimes the ends justify the means.
I think that the apprehension of OBL was in the best interest of Pakistan and Afghanistan and to that purpose, while Dr. Afridi is accused of being a traitor - really he may be the hero here.
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so should have the PM and president, afterall it was under their watch but they didnt even had the guts to face the people fora week or so. Why only the army chief why not the govt of the day. Oh forgot the govt of the day is so beysharam they will not resign under any circumstances.
Many things this PPP government do not control. One is army. Had PPP was able to control them, these army generals would have fired for hiding the crucial information from the government. Had government knew OBL in army garrison and hiding the fact, yes government should have resigned the day OBL was killed. Blaming PPP government is unjustified.
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Many things this PPP government do not control. One is army. Had PPP was able to control them, these army generals would have fired for hiding the crucial information from the government. Had government knew OBL in army garrison and hiding the fact, yes government should have resigned the day OBL was killed. Blaming PPP government is unjustified.
says it all.
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I have a difference of opinion with a lot of other posters on this issue, so won't belabour my point, except to say:
Maybe, just maybe his actions were an act of loyalty of protection for his compatriots. In aiding the "enemy" by outing a man accused of masterminding attrocities, his actions may have protected his fellow Pakistanis. He did what his government failed to do - which was to help find and apprehend a suspected war criminal.
Oh, and one more point. Machiavelli was one of my favourite political strategists and theorists because of his passion for his nation-state. Nothing was more important than to protect it and it's survival. To accomplish that, he believed that sometimes the ends justify the means.
I think that the apprehension of OBL was in the best interest of Pakistan and Afghanistan and to that purpose, while Dr. Afridi is accused of being a traitor - really he may be the hero here.
While I agree that apprehension of OBL was in the best interest of Pakistan the role played by Afridi probably was not. It is a case of what we strongly beleive in. Does the end justify the means in this case. We seem to disagree. Lets leave it at that.
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so should have the PM and president, afterall it was under their watch but they didnt even had the guts to face the people fora week or so. Why only the army chief why not the govt of the day. Oh forgot the govt of the day is so beysharam they will not resign under any circumstances.
You know as well as anyone Army was controlling Bin Laden, and the PM/Pres would not have been allowed into this operation.