If someone whose recently immigrated from Pakistan makes a comment or has a mentality that is, to say the least, backwards and quite jaahil—well we can blame their being from Pakistan on it.
If someone whose born/brought up in the UK/US/etc (anywhere outside Pakistan) has a mentality that is, to put it politely backwards, its called “being traditional and in touch with their culture.”
Ever seen this happening?
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disagreee ... jahil is a jahil
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If someone whose recently immigrated from Pakistan makes a comment or has a mentality that is, to say the least, backwards and quite jaahil---well we can blame their being from Pakistan on it.
If someone whose born/brought up in the UK/US/etc (anywhere outside Pakistan) has a mentality that is, to put it politely backwards, its called "being traditional and in touch with their culture."
Ever seen this happening?
Be more specific. What kind of ideas do you think would be deemed as "being traditional and in touch with their culture"??? I'll give you an example. An aunti...educated....and has lived most of her life in the US....her kids were born and raised in the US.....didn't want her daughter to get a Masters Degree because she thought it would hinder rishtas (didn't want the daugther to appear too smart). I consider that jaahil thinking regardless of where she lives......I don't associate that thinking with nationality......because I know of some people in Pak who don't hold such views and are more open-minded. For example, I know of parents in Pak who struggle financially but still urge their daughters to get a higher education.
I'll give you another example. My uncle, in Pak, has two very bright daugthers. Maybe one of them was interested in studying medicine....but he didn't allow them to go outside of their city to get that education.........because of the fear that "laug batain karain ge ke larki ghar se bahar rahi hai....and GOd knows what she might have gotten up to." I find the mentality backwards.........I would also find it backwards if a desi living in the US felt the same way. Interestingly, my other uncle, who also lives in the same city (both of them are brothers)....had no issues with sending his daughter outside for education.
I think we often over-simplify things and attribute behaviors and views to nationality. I know that I've done that as well. But it's more complicated than that...because there are exceptions to the generalization. Some of the jahil thoughts can stem from fear.....some can stem from lack of education/awareness/oppportunities/experience.......and some jahil comments and behaviors are the result of human nature (jealousy, greed, etc).
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well........the desi=jaahil is unbiased way of naming the two sorts of people..
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I know what you mean Sara516
It’s not a standard feature but i’ve noticed that a lot… when i first came to the UK I was the barbarian to everyone… but if they thought I was barbarian then i’m even more so now… 
Fact is desi Paindoo types are not always typical Jahils… some of us are very skilled and while we lack the culture and people skills at first we are highly adaptable and can adapt to the change over time…
What worries me are people who are jahil by choice… I know theres an attitude among some desi emmigrants younger generation who lack serious ambition.
In my age group most guys work 24/7 in your usual Asian trades… but when I ask them if they want to be anything better and trying to get higher education or perfect some skill that will give them an edge they simply say that they don’t need to because they allready own 4 restaurants or 6 taxis etc…
I really fear for those sorts. Then there are the crowds of guys who seem to think they are holier than thou and will somehow spread tableeg to everything becuase it’s promised to them…
But i feel some support for those who hold on to the good parts of thier traditions even in western countries… thier efforts and battles were much harder than mine 
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I Think it would be unfair to call a traditional person backward and jahil.
There is a lot of logic in some traditions, and it takes thousands of years to form tradition. For example: In south India, people eat alot of spices. If you find the traditional link of it, people used spices because it was very hot and humid and in order to save food from spoilage they used lot of spices, as most spices are antibacterial.
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I Think it would be unfair to call a traditional person backward and jahil.
There is a lot of logic in some traditions, and it takes thousands of years to form tradition. For example: In south India, people eat alot of spices. If you find the traditional link of it, people used spices because it was very hot and humid and in order to save food from spoilage they used lot of spices, as most spices are antibacterial.
Im not calling a traditional person jaahil....but there's people who defend their jaahil POVs as being "traditional" now thats offensive to real traditional and decent people. Imjussayin
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calling every jahil - desi, is such an insult to all the jahil people ..
did I say it right or do I need another cup of morning coffee
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I think i need a shot of vodka to understand that
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Bhai aap ne bee muje Jahil kehdeeya… :no:
Zara phir cofee pee kar sochyeh warna 
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I Think it would be unfair to call a traditional person backward and jahil.
There is a lot of logic in some traditions, and it takes thousands of years to form tradition. For example: In south India, people eat alot of spices. If you find the traditional link of it, people used spices because it was very hot and humid and in order to save food from spoilage they used lot of spices, as most spices are antibacterial.
Depends on the traditions really like in the example you quoted. If the traditions however are rooted in jahiliat (watta satta for example) then your traditions are definitely causing more harm than good.
redvelvet...epic win of a post.
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You r right Rizla bhai :), that's why I used the word 'some' in my original post.
There is good and bad in everything, and traditions are no exception.
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If someone whose recently immigrated from Pakistan makes a comment or has a mentality that is, to say the least, backwards and quite jaahil---well we can blame their being from Pakistan on it.
*yes seen that happened...and makes me angry *
If someone whose born/brought up in the UK/US/etc (anywhere outside Pakistan) has a mentality that is, to put it politely backwards, its called "being traditional and in touch with their culture."
hmmm not really...i have seen uk kids and i always think of them as not at all cultured and mannered (except very few)
society/environment plays a less role in how you behave and act. the parenting should be good. its not nice to blame it on the society when you yourself didnot pay attention to your kid.
Ever seen this happening?
:)
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I hate it when people who live abroad come back home and call resident pakistanis jahil or parhay likhay paindoo!!! I hate it i hate it!!
My cousins are the same, just because they live in the U.S does not mean they are by any chance superior to us and they act like they are!!! I am more educated than them, more financially independent and stable than them, more broadminded than them yet they act like im a paindoo just because i live in Pakistan!!! 
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I think jahil is jahil no matter where you grow up or are brought up.
I know people living in the US who didnt send their daughters to high school kyun ke haat se nikal jayengi.
I still think its jahil.
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disagreee ... jahil is a jahil
what's your definition of jahil b/c according to some modern desi, if you don't go to parties, and hang out with the opposite sex etc you are consider backwards, jahil , paindoo etc (just 1 ex)
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What worries me are people who are jahil by choice.... I know theres an attitude among some desi emmigrants younger generation who lack serious ambition.
In my age group most guys work 24/7 in your usual Asian trades... but when I ask them if they want to be anything better and trying to get higher education or perfect some skill that will give them an edge they simply say that they don't need to because they allready own 4 restaurants or 6 taxis etc....
so, according to you if you lack ambition, you are jahil?
some ppl are just happy where they are, they don't want to go after materialist things more than they need to, there are other things in life that are far more important than money, power etc
remember all the time you invest in your career, business etc you are taking that time away from your kids, wife, parents, friends etc
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sara your so right, but there are so many paindoo productions born and brought up in the uk/us it's scary.
It's like they live in this little box, seriously get out in the world people.
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If someone whose recently immigrated from Pakistan makes a comment or has a mentality that is, to say the least, backwards and quite jaahil---well we can blame their being from Pakistan on it.
If someone whose born/brought up in the UK/US/etc (anywhere outside Pakistan) has a mentality that is, to put it politely backwards, its called "being traditional and in touch with their culture."
Ever seen this happening?
Nope. Doesn't ring a bell. Can you provide an example?
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^ Sure..posted in another thread
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Both my parents think that everyone from their caste represent certain values but thats just so rural and outdated in 2010 in urban societies!!!!!
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Another example that's been listed here--where parents won't send their daughters to college or HS for fear that they will become out of control.
Forced arranged marriages/exclusively marrying cousins only no matter how unfit the rishta is.