Xtreme,
To see the pictures statues of women in Maurayan Period go to
http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/book2/landmaurya.html
Statues don’t lie…i have no idea where u are getting your information from.
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hmm.. does the bollywood film industry depict the pple.. or do the people depict the film industry?
secondly.. so why do actresses cover their heads when they are depicted entering a temple. (regardless of the thickness of the veil or the length of it.. it is still their conception of a “veil”).
and thirdly.. why do most "decent’ indian women wear the saree in a way that covers their stomach, their back and their bosom? (and sometimes their head)
they could just.. wear it like karishma
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Originally posted by mehndi:
hmm.. does the bollywood film industry depict the pple.. or do the people depict the film industry?
U guess.
secondly.. so why do actresses cover their heads when they are depicted entering a temple. (regardless of the thickness of the veil or the length of it.. it is still their conception of a “veil”).**
I visit temple many times with my friend nobody covers (men or women) their head despite Hindi film heroines.
**and thirdly.. why do most "decent’ indian women wear the saree in a way that covers their stomach, their back and their bosom? (and sometimes their head)
they could just.. wear it like karishma
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They would if they had Krishma’s body…beside it is an individual choice not everbody is same.
No idea what u are trying to prove…
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Rani:
**To see the pictures statues of women in Maurayan Period go to http://india.coolatlanta.com/GreatPages/sudheer/book2/landmaurya.html
Statues don’t lie.**
Nobody is saying that statues lie. As we know, there were plenty of temple prostitutes kept by Brahmins in early history, so we the fact that there are naked statues from that era is hardly surprising. In the link you have provided the statue of the topless woman is "The famous Didarganj Yakshi (from the Patna Museum). Yakshis were nymphs in Indian Mythology"
Can you provide a link which shows a statue of a topless Brahmin woman or a Maurya queen?
I provided several references. Here they are again for your information:
*Castes and Tribes of Southern India’, E.Thurston, 1909, reprinted in `Landmarks in Indian Anthropology’ vol. 14(i)-(v), Cosmo Publications, New Delhi, 1987.]
`Samkhya-Tattva-Kuamudi’, Vachaspati Misra, ed. G.N.Jha & H.D.Sharma, Poona, 1934
Sisupalavadha’, by Magha, ed. Durga Prasad and Siva Datta, Bombay 1917.
Art in Gupta and Post-Gupta Coinage’ B.N.Mukherjee, Lucknow 1985 Lucknow *
Can you provide a link which shows a statue of a topless Brahmin woman or a Maurya queen?
I don't think caste system was strong at the time of Maurya dynasty. In fact Chadergupt Maurya was from a lower class.
For an artist to make a statue people have to like it and honor him and King or People should support that art. This was for everybody to see and wasn't considered offensive. There are also statue in caves of women without covered from top to bottom.
You will not find these kind of statues in a conservative societies. There are none in Islamic countries, even invaluable statues of Buddha are being destroyed.
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You will not find these kind of statues in a conservative societies. There are none in Islamic countries
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Well that's not quite true, as there are statues in Turkey, Malaysia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Egypt to name just a few.
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For an artist to make a statue people have to like it and honor him and King or People should support that art. This was for everybody to see and wasn't considered offensive. There are also statue in caves of women without covered from top to bottom.
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Actually, I think you have a point here. After all, there is also a statue of Shiva's lingum/phallus in india who was considered a god. Can you shed some light on why that part of Shiva's anatomy was singled out for pooja?
Yes, sharam & haya are definitely in t/ eyes of a person (notice I said PERSON), but doesn't t/ way you dress "reflect" your personality.
Islam preaches "modesty" specially in dress code. Wear shalwar or whatever, t/ messgae is "modesty". Afterall, even in t/ West, decent women do not wear "hoochie style clothes" for a reason. Similarly, professional attrire does NOT mean a mini skirt w/ a deep cleavage no matter how much of a sharam & haya t/ person may have!
Point is you are what you wear.
Actually, I think you have a point here. After all, there is also a statue of Shiva's lingum/phallus in india who was considered a god. Can you shed some light on why that part of Shiva's anatomy was singled out for pooja?
Actually Shiva had only one wife whom he loved dearly. Hindus worship both Shiva and Parvati. In civilized societies women are not forced to cover from head to toe and hide from the world to protect themselves from men.
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Originally posted by FunkyDesi:
**Yes, sharam & haya are definitely in t/ eyes of a person (notice I said PERSON), but doesn't t/ way you dress "reflect" your personality.
Islam preaches "modesty" specially in dress code. Wear shalwar or whatever, t/ messgae is "modesty". Afterall, even in t/ West, decent women do not wear "hoochie style clothes" for a reason. Similarly, professional attrire does NOT mean a mini skirt w/ a deep cleavage no matter how much of a sharam & haya t/ person may have!
Point is you are what you wear.**
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For some people it is natural to wear mini skirt just as it is natural for Pygmies in Africa to go topless...the more u cover harder it becomes to have an open normal society and with normal interactions. Beside it is their country and they can do what they like...
Rani:
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Thank you for your opinions on islamic countries which is what I assume you are referring to here. All civilisations have their own idea of what is civilised. In some parts of India it is normal to eat the dead as part of ancient ritual for example.
Anyway, I didn't ask how many wives Shiva had, I only asked why one part of Shiva's body (lingum) was singled out for pooja rather than any other. Can you throw some light?
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** In civilized societies women are not forced to cover from head to toe and hide from the world to protect themselves from men.
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Yeah, instead these "civilised" societies encourage women to walk around semi naked, if not fully naked, to satisfy the leering gaze of the "civilised" men. Just like the Brahmins did to the Sudra women, locked thier own up of course.
Cant get away from men can you?
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*I was under the impression that the head covering is part of the traditional dress in many places, such as in Rajastan. *
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You are right. They do cover their heads but the back of their blouses is hmmm... how should I put it... just a thread to tie the two ends together.
Most of the north Indians will cover their heads esp. while in a temple or such.
Rani quote:For some people it is natural to wear mini skirt just as it is natural for Pygmies in Africa to go topless...the more u cover harder it becomes to have an open normal society and with normal interactions. Beside it is their country and they can do what they like...
So your point is what???
Where did t/ African pygmies come from ??
My point was & is that even in t/ Western environment there are some some dress codes for example you cannot wear sleeveless outfits or a mini skirt or a low cut blouse in most (if not all) officess. Infact, in most workplaces ther is a whole list of 'dos & 'don'ts' one can & cannot wear.
the more u cover harder it becomes to have an open normal society and with normal interactions
Hey, if you wanna go around topless/ naked to have a 'NORMAL SOCIETY' with 'normal interactions' then by all means. Like I said earlier, you represent who you are in your dressing.
Try not to pick a fight w/ any1 & everyone here gal! Relax.
I have always wanted to ask this question.
Have you noticed that when a woman dresses very modestly, other women (who don’t) automatically think that she is somehow less intelligent or inferior?
Aisha, why don't you ask that question on the general forum and we'll see if that's the case?
Dupatta tera sath rang da suniyeh
Sorry, back to the topic .....