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American and western taxpayers cannot subsidize Pakistan's affluent forever. Neither can the loans and grants from Paris conferences, IMF, World Bank, USAID continue to bail out the country. Every year Pakistan is already incurring budget deficits in billions. Obviously not all of the money is going to government corruption-- there is corruption but that is at every level, including by those who do not pay taxes when they are able to. The state needs to generate more revenue. Not least to provide even the most rudimentary services-- especially education and health care but also, however imperfect, policing and defense-- that millions of Pakistanis depend upon the state to do so.

The state could simply collapse if the international donors and lenders retreat and the indifferent attitude amongst the selfish tax-phobic Pakistani rich persists. Most of those who SHOULD pay their taxes in the country don't do so anyways so this thread is not really relevant, but the picture that is being painted here is eerily similar to what we witness in the poorest of African counties, and even among those I can't think of many barring Somalia. No functional government, no real police, complete anarchy everywhere, the remaining rich desperately trying to live in their bubble and shield themselves from kidnappers and thugs while the overwhelming majority lives in abject privation…

Tax evasion is not really helpful because a Somalia like dystopia, I am sure, is something even the Pakistani rich would not want to live in.

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hahahahha.....almost 80% of taxes are indirect...taxes on spending rather than earning.....so you can't escape much :D...

i am all for evading tax as much as you can.......govt is already overloading us with taxes...so whatever they are taking is enough......

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Well it would be great if americans stop giving us alms because that will help us to be self sufficient and we will learn to live without the AID. This AID has destroyed Pakistan.

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The day americans stop paying these politicians/generals and other govt officials with these money... i am sure Pakistan would find a good leadership, a Pakistani leadership, that day, even if i have to sell all my assets for Pakistan, i'll do that

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You are a CA and you are saying that!!! surprise surprise...

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surprise..why?? :konfused:

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I did mention two (of many) reasons why people should pay taxes in Pakistan:

  1. Schools, colleges, universities. Most people getting an education in Pakistan are through government institutes.
  2. Hospitals. Government hospitals provide most of the medical care in the country.

If you have availed of any of these services in your life, and you still talk about not paying taxes, you're a hypocrite. Even if these services are imperfect we avail of them all our lives and are obligated to pay for them. Pointing to political corruption does not change your responsibilities, and does not lessen the burden of taxpayers because of freeloaders.

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Well i can say about myself ..I studied in a private university and paid all by myself..
I visited government hospital only a COUPLE of times and i had to buy medicine from the medical stores outside the hospital. and if u r unaware of the state of affairs of govt. hospitals u should go and visit hospitals in areas away from lahore and islamabad etc.
I dont get clean water to drink so i have to boil it..I dont get electricity 12-14 hours a day..when i pay my bills regularly..and u know the security situation as well..I work my ass out to get my life going and then i m asked to pay taxes..for zardari..shareef...other thugs..

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Fine, if you feel you've never availed of any government services, and you feel that the people benefiting from government services shouldnt have them, then don't pay taxes. Like I said, given the fact that most of us are educated through the government, most of our parents were educated through the government you'd be extremely atypical if the argument didnt apply to you, which is fine. I cant cover everyone.

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In the nineties, Americans did cease giving money to Pakistani politicians/generals. That did not really make any drastic improvement to Pakistan's condition or the sorry state of its leadership.

Making everything "America this America that" is reductionist and naive. The fact remains that no one can give anyone money if you don't ask for it.

Also, just because most people commenting here can send their kids to Beaconhouses or go to private clinics or whatever does not mean the overwhelming majority of the country has that luxury. Someone has to chip in to help those people out who are not so privileged, even if the help provided is less than ideal. Loans and alms are one way of generating money. Taxation is another. If the revenue generated by the latter is woefully low, as is currently the case, it is no wonder that the dependence on the former is so high.

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1) I wish Americans have continued with it, but that ban was only for couple of years and even during the ban, it was not complete ban...

2) It is not Pakistan ask for money, it is the corrupt leadership which ask for the money in the name of Pakistan and then deposit it back in their countries in the name of personal investment... not to mention, we the Pakistanies endup paying the loan and its interest...

3) Increase taxation, this what normally govt does
a) Develop infrastructure and new sites and cities
b) Develop Economy, this is sometime done by providing incentives to the industries, which in turn provide employment
c) invest the tax money back on the people, i.e. providing them with better living standards by developing roads, providing electricity, education facilities, health facilities and most importantly better security situation

Now in Pakistan what govt does,

a) Cut down the gas and electricity of the industrial zones to a level where they cannot produce, hence won't hire anyone and layoff all the employees, worst take away the business and set it up in some other countries with better facilities.. so there goes the TAX from a business unit and related parties ( domino effect)

b) Try to negotiate with terror groups, provide them govt umbrella and let them do what ever they want to do in the name of reconciliation, hence, the business man and employees who chose to make their money from legal and rightful means are left on the mercy of these goons, they kill them left right and center and all the govt does is send rehman malik to make a request to the goons for not to kill more than 3/4 in a day

c) Impose more tax on the already tax paying people while neglecting/ignoring the vast majority for paying any tax, i.e. the land lords who pay nothing in the name of tax and have been living on the facilities provided by the money of tax-payers from last 60 odd years...

Please tell me why should i pay tax, when these millionaire land lords are not paying anything ???

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^ You need to pay tax to have a right to continue criticizing what is wrong with our country. You lose the moral ground to bash anyone doing anything wrong in Pakistan as soon as you become one of them.

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Well i was doing that, till the time i got tired of getting beaten up by the same cop who gets his salary from my tax money!!!!

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