Don't Mention the War in Afghanistan

Well after reading this I hope Americans here will be able to understand why it’s not so easy to force change too quickly in places like Afghanistan. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mullah Omar doesn’t show up sooner or later.

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http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=375608

Robert Fisk: Don’t mention the war in Afghanistan

The near collapse of peace in this savage land is a narrative erased from the mind of Americans

05 February 2003

There’s one sure bet about the statement to be made to the UN Security Council today by the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell – or by General Colin Powell as he has now been mysteriously reassigned by the American press: he won’t be talking about Afghanistan.

For since the Afghan war is the “successful” role model for America’s forthcoming imperial adventure across the Middle East, the near-collapse of peace in this savage land and the steady erosion of US forces in Afghanistan – the nightly attacks on American and other international troops, the anarchy in the cities outside Kabul, the warlordism and drug trafficking and steadily increasing toll of murders – are unmentionables, a narrative constantly erased from the consciousness of Americans who are now sending their young men and women by the tens of thousands to stage another “success” story.

This article is written in President George Bush’s home state of Texas, where the flags fly at half-staff for the Columbia crew, where the dispatch to the Middle East of further troops of the 108th Air Defence Artillery Brigade from Fort Bliss and the imminent deployment from Holloman Air Force Base in neighbouring New Mexico of undisclosed numbers of F-117 Nighthawk stealth bombers earned a mere 78-word down-page inside “nib” report in the local Austin newspaper.

Only in New York and Washington do the neo-conservative pundits suggest – obscenely – that the death of the Columbia crew may well have heightened America’s resolve and “unity” to support the Bush adventure in Iraq. A few months ago, we would still have been asked to believe that the post-war “success” in Afghanistan augured well for the post-war success in Iraq.

So let’s break through the curtain for a while and peer into the fastness of the land that both President Bush and Prime Minister Blair promised not to forget. Hands up those who know that al-Qa’ida has a radio station operating inside Afghanistan which calls for a holy war against America? It’s true. Hands up again anyone who can guess how many of the daily weapons caches discovered by US troops in the country have been brought into Afghanistan since America’s “successful” war? Answer: up to 25 per cent.

Have any US troops retreated from their positions along the Afghan-Pakistan border? None, you may say. And you would be wrong. At least five positions, according to Pakistani sources on the other side of the frontier, only one of which has been admitted by US forces. On 11 December, US troops abandoned their military outpost at Lwara after nightly rocket attacks which destroyed several American military vehicles. Their Afghan allies were driven out only days later and al-Qa’ida fighters then stormed the US compound and burnt it to the ground.

It’s a sign of just how seriously America’s mission in Afghanistan is collapsing that the majestically conservative Wall Street Journal – normally a beacon of imperial and Israeli policy in the Middle East and South-west Asia – has devoted a long and intriguing article to the American retreat, though of course that’s not what the paper calls it.

"Soldiers still confront an invisible enemy,‘’ is the title of Marc Kaufman’s first-class investigation, a headline almost identical to one which appeared over a Fisk story a year or so after Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan in 1979-80. The soldiers in my dispatch, of course, were Russian. Indeed, just as I recall the Soviet officer who told us all at Bagram air base that the “mujahedin terrorism remnants” were all that was left of the West’s conspiracy against peace-loving (and Communist) Afghans, so I observed the American spokesmen – yes, at the very same Bagram air base – who today cheerfully assert that al-Qa’ida “remnants” are all that are left of Bin Laden’s legions.

Training camps have been set up inside Afghanistan again, not – as the Americans think – by the recalcitrant forces of Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s anti-American Afghans, but by Arabs. The latest battle between US forces and enemy “remnants” near Spin Boldak in Kandahar province involved further Arab fighters, as my colleague Phil Reeves reported. Hekmatyar’s Hezb-i-Islami forces have been “forging ties” with al-Qa’ida and the Taliban; which is exactly what the mujahedin “terrorist remnants” did among themselves in the winter of 1980, a year after the Soviet invasion.

An American killed by a newly placed landmine in Khost; 16 civilians blown up by another newly placed mine outside Kandahar; grenades tossed at Americans or international troops in Kabul; further reports of rape and female classroom burnings in the north of Afghanistan – all these events are now acquiring the stale status of yesterday’s war.

So be sure that Colin Powell will not be boasting to the Security Council today of America’s success in the intelligence war in Afghanistan. It’s one thing to claim that satellite pictures show chemicals being transported around Iraq, or that telephone intercepts prove Iraqi scientists are still at their dirty work; quite another to explain how all the “communications chatter” intercepts which the US supposedly picked up in Afghanistan proved nothing. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, you can quote Basil Fawlty: "Whatever you do, don’t mention the war.‘’

Russkies came with 110,000 of their best including special forces like spetznaz and went back with a sore ass. I am sure 1000 pretty boys hiding behind NA soldiers can do a lot... I hear Karzai only rules two blocks in Kabul and even that shrinks from time to time.

They say the pen is mightier than the sword,if this is the case,then surely Fisk and Pilger are the spec ops forces raging against any western attempts to fight terrorism and despots around the world.
The amount of attempts i have read in the last few days written,in my opinion,to scupper any statements Powell may make,before they have even heard them.

It's a sign of just how seriously America's mission in Afghanistan is collapsing that the majestically conservative Wall Street Journal – normally a beacon of imperial and Israeli policy in the Middle East and South-west Asia – has devoted a long and intriguing article to the American retreat, though of course that's not what the paper calls it

It's information taken from the Wall Street Journal according to the above so throwing mud at Fisk or Pilger isn't necessarily going to be enough in this case.

If these people can't live in peace so be it, that was not the main goal. The main goal was to take out the terror cells and training camps, this goal has been largely a success. Let them focus on ousting the troops rather than planning attacks on the 'outside' world.

It's a sign of just how seriously America's mission in Afghanistan is collapsing that the majestically conservative Wall Street Journal – normally a beacon of imperial and Israeli policy in the Middle East and South-west Asia – has devoted a long and intriguing article to the American retreat, though of course that's not what the paper calls it.

How short some memories are. Contrast the entire article JM posted with Blair's press conference with Powell at Downing Street, just three months after 9-11:

"We have made it clear throughout that, once the military campaign has achieved its main objectives - and we are certainly in the course of doing that now, but it is vitally important that we maintain the political and the humanitarian tracks....I think it is immensely important that the military campaign succeeds, obviously, and our objectives of making sure that the al Qaida network is shut down for good in Afghanistan. In order to do that we've had to change the regime there in Afghanistan. The new provisional government offers the possibility of an Afghanistan that isn't a failed state, that is a proper and stable partner for people in the region."

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"We have made it clear throughout that, once the military campaign has achieved its main objectives - and we are certainly in the course of doing that now,
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Apparently the article Judge posted shows the U.S. has not achieved its main objectives yet, no? That said, just this week the U.S. military has started to be involved in the humanity relief effort like never before, digging ditches to lay pipes, fixing buildings damaged by years or war, and fixing war torn roads. Doing all this while dodging bullets and apparently retreating according to some.

It will take years not months for a country that has known nothing but war and terror for decades,to resemble anything like a normal functioning nation,devoid of warlords and their old way of life.I can remember Blair and Bush saying that.Why now do we think it should be any different.

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It will take years not months for a country that has known nothing but war and terror for decades,to resemble anything like a normal functioning nation,devoid of warlords and their old way of life.I can remember Blair and Bush saying that.Why now do we think it should be any different.
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Braveheart:
You are, of course, correct. Bush and Blair adequately prepared and advised the people of the UK and the US that our involvement and engagement in Afghanistan, in particular, and our war against terror, in general, would be a long one. Our enemies (and their apologists like Pilger, Fisk, et al) simply did not understand that the US and the UK can maintain the resolve and commitment necessary to fight and win these battles and these wars. Their tactics designed to defeat us are now to peck away at that resolve by trying to create doubts about the fact that we are winning. In fact, that we are trouncing the enemy wherever we engage them. As long as we can step back and always keep a clear vision of the forest rather than letting these clowns focus our attention on a single tree, we'll be fine.

Anyone who thinks that Afghanistan could have or should have been a thriving, peaceful, stable metropolis within such a short period of time after decades of civil war and strife is just plaine looney tunes.

*Have any US troops retreated from their positions along the Afghan-Pakistan border? None, you may say. And you would be wrong. At least five positions, according to Pakistani sources on the other side of the frontier, only one of which has been admitted by US forces. On 11 December, US troops abandoned their military outpost at Lwara after nightly rocket attacks which destroyed several American military vehicles. Their Afghan allies were driven out only days later and al-Qa'ida fighters then stormed the US compound and burnt it to the ground. *

This is one of the many operations that the Americans have carried out in Afghanistan...remember "Anaconda"?, and where they have invariably failed. You don't hear much of the continuing American war in Afghanistan, as war that has not been concluded or won, because the Americans are stuck in a similar quagmire to the Soviets.

The reason why "War in Afghanistan" is not being mentioned is because American love for "freedom" and "liberty" lasts only for 1 min. What they need is better vigra.