Dont brand entire provinces/regions as terrorists [split: United States Hands Helos]

It is absolutely ironic how. Events have come around to a point pakis call whole povinces terrorists and it doesn’t surprise or offend anyone.

It is very convenient init, to just brand whole of waziristan!, baluch fata whatever as terrorist lands. Thatway it is so much easier to just go bomb them so that what’s left is punjab.

Usa gives mush not only bombs to kill the people of these regions but also the choppers and guidance to deliver the pkg. Oh who cares that the eldely women and children are collateral damage.

As long as foot soldiers don’t have to go there - if they do these girls have this nasty habit of surrendering, getting captured or joining the terrorists.

Is there a surer way of dismembering pakistAn again? Bush has lost in iraq and elsewhere but has absolutely owned the paki theater. Now with bb, it’s further enjoyment all around.

Oh yeah - I’m sure the scholl kids of provinces will send crayola notes to cundilesa thanking her for the choppers.

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Please don't mind them they are brain washed by the Govt.. Some of my brothers hare never interacted with any one else but ppl from their home towns.

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Nice speech, would you like to get beheaded by a terrorist because your beard is not long enough for their liking?

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^ rhetoric aside, can you show specifically an instance where terrorists did that BECAUSE a beard was not long enough.

nobody is helped when you caricaturize your opposing viewpoints. they'll do the same to you. If you really think your viewpoint is truly better and more convincing, then you wouldnt want the discussion to be meaningless.

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Length of beard is used as symbol by different groups. Wahabis have different style, brelvis are different, and so are Shia's when it comes to the length of beard.

And yes the same difference has been used to target Shia, and Brelvi gatherings.

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Ok, I'm sorry, they just blow up barber shops. Beheading is only saved for special occasions when they want to accuse someone of being a spy or if you're a prisoner.

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^ there you go. and it feels no less idiotic

Re: Dont brand entire provinces/regions as terrorists [split: United States Hands Hel

Who is calling the entire province terrorists? The entire province is obviously not a terrorist one, but there is no doubt that large swathes of the province are being held hostage by terrorists...

I wish you would be as vocal in you condemnation of the terrorsits... Perhaps when they over run the entire province and there is nothing left but their Jihadi justice, you will then suddenly realize that perhaps your sympathies are slightly misplaced...

Perhaps instead of complaining, you could give us some actual suggestions on how this terrorist problem should be tackled? All you people are big on complaints, but give little in the way of alternatives...

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Try using brain in next one when you talk about beards, thanks.

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^^^ are you denying suicide bombings of Imambargahs, and brelvi gathering?

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No, but relating it to "length" of beard is simply idiotic.

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Well the title of this thread is true when it comes to ethnicity. Whether mohajir, punjabi, baloch, sindhi, pashtun, kashmiri etc. if you are jihadi terrorist you must be killed or jailed.

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Correction: All terrorist including the ethinic ones.

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Ethnic terorists, as bad as they are, are not in the same league as the Jihadi terrorists... Thats plaine for the world to see...

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A killer is a killer, no mater what the ideology and shud get the same punishment.

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Well … :). So you think all these ethnic terrorists like Ayub Khan, Yahya, Z A Bhutto, Zia, BeNazir and their supporters who were ethnic terrorists are not as bad as Mullah Umar and OBL

Do you think that Ayub Khan saying that he would throw all people of Karachi into Arabian sea (just because of ethnic difference), and his men terrorizing Karachi and killing many innocents after he won election against Fatima Jinnah was not such a bad terrorism?

Do you think that Yahya Khan not giving power to Mujib on ground that he was Bengali and that his action in BD, killing 10s of thousand Bengalis on ethnic ground just because they were Bengalis was not such a bad terrorism?

Do you think that Z ABhutto sacking of Balochistan elected government and using Army to kill Balochs on ethnic ground (Marri and Mengal) for 4 years (until Zia stopped that) was not such a bad terrorism?

Do you think that Zia using Pakistan army to suppress and kill Sindhi Bhutto supporters (though there were Bhutto supporters from other ethnicity too, but he only targeted Sindhi Bhutto supporters) was not such a bad terrorism?

Do you think that BeNazeer terrorism in Karachi where she killed 10s of thousand innocent Muhajirs on ground of ethnicity was not as bad terrorism, or that her pet dog Naseer-ullah Ba** saying that he do not mind killing 1000 innocent Muhajirs as long as he can kill one of her political opponent ‘MQM activitists’ was not such a bad terrorism?

Do you think that those terrorists who supports the terrorism of all above leaders on their ethnic terrorism and support Naseer-ullah Ba** for his ethnic terrorism are bad terrorists?

One can see the difference in situation today and what BB mentality was, is that today government is not saying that they do not mind killing 1000 innocents anywhere as long as government can kill one retarded so-called Jihadi terrorist, rather government is risking life of many innocent soldiers so that innocent civilians are not killed, else if FATA was Karachi, Jihadis were Muhajirs, and if it was government of Ayub or BB than their would have been indiscriminate bombing of FATA to non existence.

These ethnic biased so-called leaders have spread ethnic hatred and ethnic disunity in Pakistan, to extend that ethnicity infiltrated all walks of Pakistani life due to them. Today, Sindhis support Bhutto and BB on ethnic ground. Many Pathans support Ayub on ethnic ground, many Sindhi do not like Zia on ethnic ground.

Even sectarian and religious divide is gift of these so-called leaders, especially Zia. Today Pakistan is divided between confused and misguided ‘retarded extremists’ and Muslims. Today fight is going on between Muslims and ‘retarded extremists’. This war is not about Muslims not tolerating ‘retarded extremists’ right to exist (as Islam promote tolerance, abhor force in religion, and accepts right of people’s choice regarding religious beliefs), but this war is about stopping ‘retarded extremists’ from using force to impose their retarded un-Islamic beliefs on Muslims.

*As for Pakistan government fighting them ‘retarded extremists’, the reason is that for Pakistan all Pakistani citizens are equal and thus Pakistan (if under good governance as it is at present) cannot allow such ‘retarded extremists’ to impose their beliefs on other citizen of Pakistan by force, plus Pakistan cannot allow these ‘retarded extremists’ to use Pakistani territory to spread their ‘fitna and terror’ in neighboring country ‘Afghanistan’ and other countries against Pakistan policy. Pakistan government is trying to stop that and these 'retarded extremists' are resisting Pakistan government with arms, and that is what going on.*

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Well … :). **So you think all these ethnic terrorists like Ayub Khan, Yahya, Z A Bhutto, Zia, BeNazir and their supporters who were ethnic terrorists are not as bad as Mullah Umar and OBL

**No mention of the biggest ethno-facist Altaf, anyway it was also not expected...

Do you think that BeNazeer terrorism in Karachi where she killed 10s of thousand innocent Muhajirs on ground of ethnicity was not as bad terrorism, or that her pet dog Naseer-ullah Ba saying that he do not mind killing 1000 innocent Muhajirs as long as he can kill one of her political opponent ‘MQM activitists’ was not such a bad terrorism?

**She was left with no choice other than to take army action againt MQM. MQM goons were barking and biting eachother like dogs and intra-mohajer violence had alreay caused 1000 deaths and made Karachi ungovernable. Her army action against MQM was one of few good things she did during her two tenures as Prime MInister.

Any proof that "10s of thousands of nnocent mohajers" were killed during the whole military action and where did Babar say what you've attributed to him?

**Today, Sindhis support Bhutto and BB on ethnic ground. Many Pathans support Ayub on ethnic ground, many Sindhi do not like Zia on ethnic ground.

**Yeah, just as mohajers support munshi and altaf on ethnic ground and don't like BB cos she is sindhi.

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One can see the difference in situation today and what BB mentality was, is that **today government is not saying that they do not mind killing 1000 innocents anywhere as long as government can kill one retarded so-called Jihadi terrorist*, rather government is risking life of many innocent soldiers so that innocent civilians are not killed, else if FATA was Karachi, Jihadis were Muhajirs, and if it was government of Ayub or BB than their would have been indiscriminate bombing of FATA to non existence. *

The government of musy might not have said it but surely doing it. Many Innocent civiliands have died in Waziristan and Swat because of army's aerial bombardment.

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while i agree that innocents shouldn't be harmed in any conflict, i believe the blame lies more with the militants than the army. If one starts shooting from a house at the army, they'll only wait for so long before dropping a bomb at it. Now these brave 'saviors' of the ummah are known to fight behind human shields and when the army strikes back, they are labeled as butchers.

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what an outrageous statement! this is the same mentality the militants in pakistan have who are targeting the army soldiers. do u think an army foot soldier has any choice, when he's told to go to a certain district, but to comply? these guys are somone's husband, father, and brother and are ready to lay their lives for their country. Nice payback by the freakin radicals who are targeting them left right and center and messed up nut jobs who support the radicals.

and the argument that they are striking back is bull****. soldiers are being attacked even in places where they have never laid a finger on the population.

The most dangerous and immediate threat to the country is radicals who have been brainwashed by mullahs to kill their own people as a shortcut to heaven. martial law and everything else are lesser evils.