Re: Dog as pet
any authentic hadeeth that rules out having dogs as pets?
any authentic hadeeth that rules out having dogs as pets?
It is related by Abu Huraira (Allah be well pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, Whoever acquires a dog, with the exception of a dog for hunting, or guarding sheep, or protecting the harvest, then a large portion of his reward will be diminished every day.[Reported by Bukhari and Muslim]
Abu Talha relates (Allah be well pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, The angels do not enter a house that has a dog or a picture.[Reported by Bukhari and Muslim]
Re: Dog as pet
the hadeeth above does answer the question:)
jazakAllah
Re: Dog as pet
This is a both door shut situation:
Guard dogs are dangerous even to the owners
Pet dogs are frowned upon in Islam.
You will need to train it to be guard enough to be guarding and pet enough to be safe
Dogs are very smelly and require lots of upkeep
Young children should not be kept alone without a responsible adult anyway
Dogs can become very expensive too and take up a lot of space
The garden where you will keep the dog ... how will it protect the children and be guarding them at the same time? Will you lock the dog up if so how will it attack potential trespassers?
Will you keep it free, if so then how will it be controlled?
Should children be allowed to play outside on the street? I know it sounds very conservative, but a point worth asking.
Should children who cannot control a fierce dog be allowed to take it out on the street where it can potentially harm passers by? Liability in America will fall on the owner if anyone is bitten, I'm sure.
Dogs can be nice though ... apart from the smell and slobber ... they can look really cute but then whose gonna be scared of a cute dog? It may even encourage people to come by and pat them on the back, bringing even more attention to the children.
Kids can be allergic to them too
How about picking up its poop? Will your daughters do it? Will you do it at all? How much of an inconvenience will it be to your neighbours if you did not pick up the poop?
The greatest harm from the street is also not pedestrians ... it is more likely to be cars, where a dog cannot help at all.
What is the real reason for wanting a dog?
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And there's the issue of dogs mauling thier owners kids...you hear alot about these cases. I dont think kids that age should be left unsupervised, with or without dogs..
You got it completely wrong!
He saved the kid, the dog died. It's an story about an Irish King who left his 2 year son at home and when he came back he found blood and thought that his dog had killed his son. When he saw the dog, he saw blood over him and killed him. Then he saw his son, safe and secure, smiling.
He started crying and said, what have I done to the savior of my Son? As far as I remember it was an animal which wanted to "eat" the baby...
Rottweiler ek Dog hain yaan Beast? For me it's not a dog, it's a KILLER...just look at this body, the teeth, the decided gaze. That is an monster, not a dog...
Theres been countless incidents where the dogs saved kids, and grown ups too... You cannot question a dogs loyalty... As for some incidents where terrible stuff has happened, remember human beings have killed 2 year olds too, probably alot more times than dogs.
I was once pulling in infront of my house, and these three guys all of a sudden came upto me and tried to get my watch and phone (something thats becoming more and more common these days), and the next thing I know two of them are on the run, and one of them down with his shalwar in my dogs jaw! Before that incident, my whole family was opposed to keeping a dog! It all changed of course.
TLK, go for it, just make sure you take the necessary precautions, make sure the dog is dewormed and clean. Beware though, keeping a dog can be a very tedious job at times, financially as well, and theres always an emotional attachment to the whole thing. When we had to put our dog to sleep after 12 years because he was in pain, it was very hard for us, and this is something your kids will have to put up with later too.
I didn't make anything up....I just posted 3 different incidents from news.
Personally I think I don't need a dog to protect my little kids because I have strong believe that only Allah is the one who protects.
Spock
If you knew marshal arts or karate you could have knocked them out by yourself. :)
Re: Dog as pet
This is the hadeesh for impermissibility of dogs as a pet:
It has reported in Bukhari and Muslim on the authority of Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, Whoever acquires a dog, except a hunting dog or for shepherding, his reward will decrease each day by large measures.
Now it is coming from a hadees not divine wisdom I will judge it with the help of Quran. Quran allows us to eat what we hunt using trained hunting animals. There is no exception of dog mentioned in that verse.
"They ask you what is lawful for them (as food). Say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure and what you have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah. Eat what they catch for you and pronounce the name of Allah over it. (Surah al-Maidah, V.4) "
The point I am making according to the above hadees if the dog is not allowed to be kept as a pet because its saliva is filth and if it touches your clothes then you have to wash them, then how am I allowed to eat what a dog would catch for me . Will it not become lased with filth and haram, but on the contrary it is one of the halal things to eat. Some will say you have to cut off that part which the dog was holding in its mouth. To me it will equate to putting your words in the mouth of Allah( SWT) and Rasool (SAW) as niether Allah nor Rasool said that.
If I am allowed to put the meat lased with dog's saliva then how can I be aksed to wash my clothes if they come in contact with dogs saliva ?
Now you be the judge and follow your heart in the light of above verse from Surah Al -Maidah.
This is a both door shut situation:
Guard dogs are dangerous even to the owners Pet dogs are frowned upon in Islam.
You will need to train it to be guard enough to be guarding and pet enough to be safe
Dogs are very smelly and require lots of upkeep Young children should not be kept alone without a responsible adult anyway Dogs can become very expensive too and take up a lot of space The garden where you will keep the dog ... how will it protect the children and be guarding them at the same time? Will you lock the dog up if so how will it attack potential trespassers? Will you keep it free, if so then how will it be controlled?
Should children be allowed to play outside on the street? I know it sounds very conservative, but a point worth asking.
Should children who cannot control a fierce dog be allowed to take it out on the street where it can potentially harm passers by? Liability in America will fall on the owner if anyone is bitten, I'm sure.
Dogs can be nice though ... apart from the smell and slobber ... they can look really cute but then whose gonna be scared of a cute dog? It may even encourage people to come by and pat them on the back, bringing even more attention to the children.
Kids can be allergic to them too
How about picking up its poop? Will your daughters do it? Will you do it at all? How much of an inconvenience will it be to your neighbours if you did not pick up the poop?
The greatest harm from the street is also not pedestrians ... it is more likely to be cars, where a dog cannot help at all.
What is the real reason for wanting a dog?
good points to ponder.
Spock’s a black belt!
Beware
Sad thing is that day he was wearing Shalwar Kameez, so couldn’t use the black belt. 
Just Kidding Br. Spock 
Peace bro Mirch
JazakAllah khair for the ayat that you have presented above. I have taken the liberty to highlight one section of the verse … please read above it states … in the manner directed to you by Allah.
Please may you show without using hadith or tafsir (which is a special hadith of this ayat) what the manner is that Allah (SWT) has directed us by …
If you cannot show us this then I’m afraid you will need to refer to the tafsir of this verse … You will learn inshaAllah that the method directed to us to train animals to catch game for us does not include their teeth. It refer to their claws only, not even their body weight is allowed to kill the animal. In fact there are a few more rules.
Please read: Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Clarifying the Lawful
It is a pity that you can find good and relevant ayaat in the Qur’an but in your constant search for hadith - Qur’an contradictions you end up second guessing the actual source of your arguments - i.e. the Qur’an.
Re: Dog as pet
Thanks for great replies guys ..
although I respect everyone;s opnion, I like to share wordings of Mufti Ebrahim Desai
** Jurists have stated that it is permissible to keep a dog for security purposes, farming and hunting.**
off course one has to take care that the dog is kept outside the house
here is the whole article
Re: Dog as pet
Peace bro Mirch
Please may you show without using hadith or tafsir (which is a special hadith of this ayat) what the manner is that Allah (SWT) has directed us by ...
If you cannot show us this then I'm afraid you will need to refer to the tafsir of this verse ... You will learn inshaAllah that the method directed to us to train animals to catch game for us does not include their teeth. It refer to their claws only, not even their body weight is allowed to kill the animal. In fact there are a few more rules.
Please read: Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Clarifying the Lawful
It is a pity that you can find good and relevant ayaat in the Qur'an but in your constant search for hadith - Qur'an contradictions you end up second guessing the actual source of your arguments - i.e. the Qur'an.
Peace to you to.
Allah uses these words " in the manner directed to you by Allah " many a times and all the muffasir agree that by these words Allah means using our instincts which Allah has given us and which are ingrained in our nature.
Rasool Allah did not have a hunters training school , the hunters trained using age old methods of training hunting dogs for fetching the prey for their masters. There is no Islamic Hunting 101 or Islamic Hunting 401.
Inb khatir is also not quoting any Hadees saying that there is a hadees precribing the manner in which you train the dog to use just his feet to catch the prey and bring it to the master. He is implying that hunters trained the dogs to catch the prey and hold it till the master reaches to him. But the hunters use dogs to help them locate the hunted animal not for hunting prey. Falcons are used in this manner where they hunt the prey for their master. He is mentioning opinions of Muslim jurist there is no hadees to support this stance. I know from my talking to hunters and reading about how hunting is done using dogs , the dogs locates the hunted prey and then bring it to the hunter holding it in its jaws and I do not find any ruling or hadees against the manner in which a dog brings the hunted prey to his master. The logic dictates if a dog brings the prey using his jaws and mouth the prey is bound to be laced with his saliva.
There is one hadees which talks about washing a utensil licked by a dog.
From Muslim #Number 055
Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.
Ulemas of hadees say that the dogs were asked to be killed during the times when they were spreading rabies and when it was established that it was limited to certain dogs then the exception was issued. I guess the washing of utensil licked by dogs ruling was also issued at the same time to make sure that the rabies virus does not spread.
Peace to you to. Allah uses these words " in the manner directed to you by Allah " many a times and all the muffasir agree that by these words Allah means using our instincts which Allah has given us and which are ingrained in our nature. Rasool Allah did not have a hunters training school , the hunters trained using age old methods of training hunting dogs for fetching the prey for their masters. There is no Islamic Hunting 101 or Islamic Hunting 401. Inb khatir is also not quoting any Hadees saying that there is a hadees precribing the manner in which you train the dog to use just his feet to catch the prey and bring it to the master. He is implying that hunters trained the dogs to catch the prey and hold it till the master reaches to him. But the hunters use dogs to help them locate the hunted animal not for hunting prey. Falcons are used in this manner where they hunt the prey for their master. He is mentioning opinions of Muslim jurist there is no hadees to support this stance. I know from my talking to hunters and reading about how hunting is done using dogs , the dogs locates the hunted prey and then bring it to the hunter holding it in its jaws and I do not find any ruling or hadees against the manner in which a dog brings the hunted prey to his master. The logic dictates if a dog brings the prey using his jaws and mouth the prey is bound to be laced with his saliva.
There is one hadees which talks about washing a utensil licked by a dog. From Muslim #Number 055 Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.
Ulemas of hadees say that the dogs were asked to be killed during the times when they were spreading rabies and when it was established that it was limited to certain dogs then the exception was issued. I guess the washing of utensil licked by dogs ruling was also issued at the same time to make sure that the rabies virus does not spread.
Peace bro Mirch
Instead of getting into a debate regarding the semantics of training hunting animals and who or who do not agree to what you say. The actual point of contention that I raise is your aversion to hadith and supporting quotes that you bend to suit your understanding (in order to create a contradiction that is not there). Whether a dog licks a bowl or not in my view it has nothing to do with a hunt and even then there are things that you should acknowledge that some types of hunt render the animal haram for us to eat. However, because the Qur'an is silent on this you probably will ignore them too. However, on the other hand when hadith (and hadith in the broader sense is what Muhammad (SAW) has said) is silent on an issue you choose to take it as implicit acceptance.
Ulema and spreading rabies ... you know with all the anti-hadith vibes you send I find it hard to understand that you can plainly and openly claim that ulema say such and such expecting me to take your word for it without you presenting any evidence thereof.
Again I say we should not always be looking for rational explanations, because it could be that certain rationale escapes us and later we can understand it.
Peace to you to. Allah uses these words " in the manner directed to you by Allah " many a times and all the muffasir agree that by these words Allah means using our instincts which Allah has given us and which are ingrained in our nature. Rasool Allah did not have a hunters training school , the hunters trained using age old methods of training hunting dogs for fetching the prey for their masters. There is no Islamic Hunting 101 or Islamic Hunting 401. **Inb khatir is also not quoting any Hadees saying that there is a hadees precribing the manner in which you train the dog to use just his feet to catch the prey and bring it to the master. He is implying that hunters trained the dogs to catch the prey and hold it till the master reaches to him. **But the hunters use dogs to help them locate the hunted animal not for hunting prey. Falcons are used in this manner where they hunt the prey for their master. He is mentioning opinions of Muslim jurist there is no hadees to support this stance. I know from my talking to hunters and reading about how hunting is done using dogs , the dogs locates the hunted prey and then bring it to the hunter holding it in its jaws and I do not find any ruling or hadees against the manner in which a dog brings the hunted prey to his master. The logic dictates if a dog brings the prey using his jaws and mouth the prey is bound to be laced with his saliva. .
The word " Jawarih" in ayah :
This refers to trained dogs and falcons, as is the opinion of the majority of the Companions, their followers, and the Imams. Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that IbnAbbas said that, And those Jawarih (beasts and birds of prey) which you have trained as hounds...) refers to trained hunting dogs, falcons and all types of birds and beasts that are trained to hunt, including dogs, wild cats, falcons, and so forth. Ibn Abi Hatim collected this and said, "Similar was reported from Khaythamah, Tawus, Mujahid, Makhul and Yahya bin Abi Kathir.'' Ibn Jarir recorded that Ibn `Umar said, "You are permitted the animal that the trained birds, such as falcons, hunt for you if you catch it (before it eats from it). Otherwise, do not eat from it.'' I say, the majority of scholars say that hunting with trained birds is just like hunting with trained dogs, because bird's of prey catch the game with their claws, just like dogs. Therefore, there is no difference between the two.
From Tafsir ibn Kathir
According to maliki fiqh, dog's sliva is not impure.
Re: Dog as pet
The manner in which we have been taught by Allah (SWT), to kill by hunting animals … the rules cannot be found in the Qur’an and this part of the verse does not refer to some inspirational manner that is alleged earlier. There are actually quite a few hunting methods that animals can be trained to perform, so without those rules that have been given to us by Muhammad (SAW) we cannot learn about the “manner taught to us by Allah(SWT)”.
Please read the following:
Peace to you too.
Please stop being personal and judgmental , Allah is the best judge. Stick to subject and do not get into my intentions and my stance about Hadees, Quran and Sunnah. You cannot know what is in my heart and mind , only Allah knows. I do believe in Hadees , but not all of them and I have all the rights to be critical about Hadees which I think go against Quran, Sunnah, Other Ahadees and common logic.
For reference to rabies and dogs in Islam read this article.
Animal Rights in Islam
"I guess the washing of utensil licked by dogs ruling was also issued at the same time to make sure that the rabies virus does not spread.
So according to you now it is okay for people to eat in a dog’s plate without even washing it?
It is true that Prophet Muhammad(SAW) ordered killing of dogs in Madina then:
*Book 10, Number 3813: *
Abu Zubair heard Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) saying: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered us to kill dogs, and we carried out this order so much so that we also kill the dog coming with a woman from the desert. **Then Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) forbade their killing. He (the Holy Prophet further) said:It is your duty the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes), for it is a devil. **
Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) ordered the killing of dogs and then said: what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina) ? How dogs are nuisance to them (the citizens of Medina) ? He then permitted keehing of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Yahya, he (the Holy Prophet) permitted the keeping of dogs for (the protection of) herds, for hunting and (the protection of) cultivated land.
Re: Dog as pet
Keeping a dog doesnt mean you have to eat out of the same utensils, dogs are smart creatures, and they adjust really well and no their boundaries if you teach them. Honestly, I think we shouldnt keep one inside the living area of the house, though it keeps itself cleaner than goats and cows and other such animals, but in the end they are all animals and there are various health risks associated with them. So all these pets in my opinion belong outside the house, or outside of your living area, and same goes with cats, and their hair! The risk is mundane and low, but its still there.
Keeping a dog doesnt mean you have to eat out of the same utensils, dogs are smart creatures, and they adjust really well and no their boundaries if you teach them. Honestly, I think we shouldnt keep one inside the living area of the house, though it keeps itself cleaner than goats and cows and other such animals, but in the end they are all animals and there are various health risks associated with them. So all these pets in my opinion belong outside the house, or outside of your living area, and same goes with cats, and their hair! The risk is mundane and low, but its still there.
yes i agree....according to the hadith if dogs lick the untensli of our use, we can wash it seven times and use it, according to some scholars the sliva of the dog is not impure.
thanks bro!