This is a spin-off from the predecessor thread about the child sex abuse scandal in Kasur and other areas of Pakistan.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/general/658440-disturbing-pakistans-biggest-child-sexual-abuse-scandal.html
While some posters suggested we should have a sex-ed system in place to raise awareness in children while some opposed it.
Whats your opinion about this?
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YES, it would!!!
Also it has to be s-x ed pakistani style. Not actually giving them more such information.
But telling them their bodies should not be violated. And how to tell parents if some thing happens.
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I think there definitely needs to be age appropriate dialogue from early on. I don't know if it needs to full on sex-Ed in Grade 1, but our culture needs to shed this taboo of talking about sex and bodies. Our children MUST be equipped with the knowledge to know the difference between men and women's anaotmy, what is appropriate and what is not, and most importantly, there is NO shame in telling your parents or trusted adult if someone has violated you. There needs to be a big campaign about Stranger Danger.
On the flip side, older adolescents should know that sex is a natural and beautiful thing, made Halal between two married adults...it shouldn't be seen as a secret that must not be spoken of lol. My friends and I, who are parents, have this conservation a lot and I seem to be in the minority in that I am very vocal and open with my kids about sex, how babies are conceived and born, puberty issues etc....all in a very age appropriate way of course! My point is no topic is off limits in our house. If one of my sons asks me something, no matter how awkward, I do my best to answer in a simple way and move on. The world is a dangerous place and the more our kids are equipped to deal with these dangers the better IMO.
Re: Does Sex-Ed reduce the chances of Child sex abuse?
YES, it would!!!
Also it has to be s-x ed pakistani style. Not actually giving them more such information. But telling them their bodies should not be violated. And how to tell parents if some thing happens.
Agreed but i think thats not all. It should be allowed "the way" their bodies can be violated and i think in a society like Pakistan, thats where the whole confrontation start
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I don't think it will reduce the abuse. Only swift and examplary punishments and encouraging reporting will.
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punishment is one way of deterrence - spreading awareness is another.
these crimes fail to get nipped in bud because children dont speak out - once the awareness is spread - probably we will have children speak and report them ?????
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I don't think it will reduce the abuse. Only swift and examplary punishments and **encouraging reporting **will.
And how do you achieve that? You have to get them something to be reach that state where they can decide if they should report or no
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Having been born and raised in Pakistan, unlike most of my friends, I have always been in favor of sex education in pakistan. This information should be added to the curriculum at *appropriate age *(unlike ontario which they are adding for a grade 2 student).
Most of the people in Pakistan understand that sex ed means how to have sex or protected sex and thats one of the reason they oppose this idea. They say that by giving sex ed to kids will give them more opportunity to have sex before marriage (as if they don't now) ... What they don't understand that having sex is the last part of sex-ed and before that there are lots of preliminary information which every kid need to know.
The second problem is that in pakistan society there is a huge gap between parents and their kids. At least, I don't recall any of my friends parent giving my friends had "we need to talk" discussion. most of these norms are learned by kids from the environment. If you are in a good school and your enviornment is good, you will learn small little "dos and don'ts" otherwise, you might end up like a kid who knew nothing (John snow ?).
So bottom line, just providing the sex ed isn't going to solve the issue. We first have to educate the parents what sex-ed is. We then have to educate the parents to have "the little talk with their kids" and then we have to provide this sex-ed to kids too.
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The answer to OP'S question is a no brainer. There was a thread on the Ontario health education curriculum, a very small subset of which was sex education.
There were plenty of objectors. ALL of them quoted articles from conservative "family values" sites, which blatantly lied about the curriculum details.
I found a link to the 225 page curriculum. NONE of them bothered to read it.
And NONE of them changed their mind.
I can't reveal if Monk was one of the objectors.
Please quote.
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None of them changed his or her mind I think is right usage.
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Only making kids aware of child abuse is not enough. What required is to give them the courage to confide in their parents if they are being molested by someone. kids who get abused usually know it but are just too afraid to speak up or to tell this to their parents or even friends because they are made to believe by the molester that it is kids fault or they threat them with one thing or the other. i feel very strongly that we need to give the comfort level to the kids that would make them confide in us if something of the sort happens and we need to make them realize that it the molester fault and in no way the fault of the poor kid.
Even if sex ed is not part of the school curriculum,parents and grand parents at home do tell their kids not to go near any stranger, not to sit in laps of teachers,maids etc, not to let anyone touch you etc. So most of the kids are made aware of these things at home anyways.
Also, i would like to point out that parents really need to take extra precautions in preventing their kids to be abused. If you are leaving your little kids on maid's mercy then you yourself are putting them to great risk. I really get baffled how parents leave their kids aged as little as 2 years with drivers alone to take them to schools. or leaving young kids at home with maids while you go to work. its just too sad to see.
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Child alone would not be able to report, he would need to tell his parents. For most cases children dont tell to parents out of fear of being scolded or punished. That is where parents need to be educated through media. So parent should handle children on such incidents gently. Also parents of the victim are looked down upon in our society which is another major reason that parents dont report even if children tell them.
So it is social illness that needs to be cured.
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^^Did you just try to be a grammar nazi to yourself?
What is taught in the curriculum?
I think the mindset in desi world is that sex education is a course where for the most part, they show porno movies and in the end they give us condoms and how to have safe sex.
Sad really that desis have to depend on the internet porno world to teach us about something that is fundamental in our lives. Sex education would most likely do it in the right way so we aren't naive and clueless.
Our teens and what happens to our bodies with all the hormones going all crazy is unavoidable but we desis tend to shove it under the rug with "don't ask don't tell". If we hide it from our kids, it's better. And so what does that teach our kids that if a perverted man/woman 20 yrs older than the child tries to take advantage or force themselves, shhhh as long as we hide it and don't tell anyone, it's a part of life and we deal with it.
Perfect way of thinking.
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^ Re grammar something about that sentence didn't seem right. So had to correct it.
Will find the link on Ontario health education curriculum from a thread in parenting later today
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Child alone would not be able to report, he would need to tell his parents. For most cases children dont tell to parents out of fear of being scolded or punished. That is where parents need to be educated through media. So parent should handle children on such incidents gently. Also parents of the victim are looked down upon in our society which is another major reason that parents dont report even if children tell them. So it is social illness that needs to be cured.
Agree that media can do a lot in educating the parents. At the same time, the school can do a lot in educating the children.
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I think we always to look towards govt, media or other institutions. Why cant we as a society bring reforms within ourselves? I mean take for example sex ed, we can always pressurize the institutions like media, elected assembly etc to take action on that without waiting on them to do it. Thats why it becomes more important to discuss all pros and cons and reach an agreement to it.
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It is always that way. Aam aadmi (not sure about ladies - they r always behind the 8 ball) is the one who brings about change through activism. (Black Lives Matter, for example )
Speaking of Aam aadmi, where is Mango man?
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Sex-ed is usually about identifying difference between male and female, reproduction in humans and animals, and contraceptives. How can it protect a child from being molested by a pedo?
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The solution to stop child molestation is given by Islam which is not to leave young kids with non-related men or women where they can't be seen by public.
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Some have questioned how sex ed can prevent a pedo from abusing a child. Sex ed makes the child more aware. It is ONE tool. Not the ONLY tool.