Does Quran allow, condone and promote violence?
I think it does, but what are your views, and why?
Why you are after Quran?
Whereas, all religious books (except Buddhism) promote violence.
Re: Does Quran allow, condone and promote violence?
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Does Quran allow, condone and promote violence?
I think it does, but what are your views, and why?
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Nowhere does the Quran condone or promote violence. You think it does. Please tell me where in the Quran you think it condones or promotes violence?
What do you mean by Violence?
Are we talking about fighting, Qitaal? or fighting for the sake of Allah/Justice?
I dont believe it 'promotes' violence, but it 'allows' resistant when attacked, and even then there are many restraints.
If you could up your statements with evidence then we might be able to see where your coming from.
Let us find out what is ideal source of Al Quaeda for voilence, if not Quran!
^ lets see now, the CIA perhaps - afterall they trained the source right?
Re: Does Quran allow, condone and promote violence?
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*Originally posted by MMughal: *
Does Quran allow, condone and promote violence?
I think it does, but what are your views, and why?
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Assalamo alaikum
Firstly I think the question is politically loaded to portray Islam in a negative light and secondly is violence specific to Islam alone?
Most people have attributed violence to religion alone and currently to Islam. They take out the verses of the Quran and put it totally out of context.
Lets start from an agreed premise, Islam is a complete way of life which gave rules ranging from personal conduct, to organisation of society, punishment system, economics, judicial and military affairs (foreign policy). Therefore is it any surprise that you find ayaats in the Quran that discuss about fighting when you are occupied and driven out of your homes or when you feel a threat from a neighbouring enemy.
So the question whether Islam promotes violence could be phrased better by asking, "Does Islam have rules that talk about fighting?".
In the same way we can ask, Does capitalism (headed by the USA) promote violence? Well we've seen thousands of innocents killed under the Bush Administration and millions under his fathers.
Does communism promote violence? Well its history showed that it killed many who worshipped and had affilition with a divine belief.
So the point is that Islam being complete, has given guidance with regards to the way Muslims should defend themselves, the way an Islamic state should handle internal rebellion, the way the Islamic state should expand its influence and authority and most of them permit violence in thier given circumstances.
The reality is that all states, if occupied by a colonialist state, would defend themselves. When the French did it against Germany, they were called resistance fighters but when the Muslims do it, they are called terrorists and violent fanatics.
Puhlease....
Wassalaam
Ali
http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm
Question:
Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality since the Qur’an says that Muslims should kill the kuffar where ever they find them?
Answer:
A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.
- Verse from Surah Taubah
The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:
“Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
- Context of verse is during battlefield
Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:5]
This verse is quoted during a battle.
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Example of war between America and Vietnam
We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war. -
Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle
Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.
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Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7
Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6. -
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:
“If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”
[Al-Qur’an 9:6]
The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?
This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
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Thank you very much for your response, dear friends. The reasons I think the quran allows, condones and promotes violence are a ) the quran does not allow muslims but binds them to defending themselves and not only defending themselves but defending themselves by retaliation. Since obligatory defence and retaliation both involve violence and the quran makes them obligatory on muslims therefore the quran not only allows and condones violence but actually promotes it. The idea of defence is different from retaliation ie defense is when you are attacked and you fight to safeguard yourself and your property and the matter ends there. The idea of fighting back invloves actually attacking those who attacked you whenever you can even long after the fight has ended. For example, let say that you attack me to rob me of whatever I have including my life. I save myself from you by whatever is possible at the time for me to do eg run away from you in order to save myself. Once I am safe, the matter is closed because the event of robbery has ended. It is now upto me to start up all over again for myself or not let the matter rest till I have got back from you whatever I have lost. If I decide to fight back, this creates a long term animosity between you and me ie the unforgiving and unforgetting revenge attitude. This is what the quran is teaching muslims. So if muslims have lost palestine to israel, it is their god appointed duty to take it back from israel, no matter when.
b ) Not only that the quran teaches defending and fighting back but it also teaches active promotion of islam and if need be converting nonmuslims to islam by force.
So you can see, why in my view the quran does teach violence.
Here are some verses from the quran. Please not that I am using Dr hilali and Dr Muhsin Khan’s translation of the quran. The reason I am using this tranlation is because these two I assume are as religiously wise as they are worldly wise. They are not mullah but educated muslims.
http://www.ummah.net/what-is-islam/quran/neindex.htm
The following verses are from Surah 2, albaqra=the cow.
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Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.
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They ask you concerning fighting in the Sacred Months (i.e. 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar). Say, “Fighting therein is a great (transgression) but a greater (transgression) with Allâh is to prevent mankind from following the Way of Allâh, to disbelieve in Him, to prevent access to Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (at Makkah), and to drive out its inhabitants, and Al-Fitnah] is worse than killing. And they will never cease fighting you until they turn you back from your religion (Islâmic Monotheism) if they can. And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever.”
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Verily, those who have believed, and those who have emigrated (for Allâh’s Religion) and have striven hard in the Way of Allâh, all these hope for Allâh’s Mercy. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most-Merciful.
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Did you (O Muhammad SAW) not think of those who went forth from their homes in thousands, fearing death? Allâh said to them, “Die”. And then He restored them to life. Truly, Allâh is full of Bounty to mankind, but most men thank not.
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And fight in the Way of Allâh and know that Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
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Who is he that will lend to Allâh a goodly loan so that He may multiply it to him many times? And it is Allâh that decreases or increases (your provisions), and unto Him you shall return.
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Have you not thought about the group of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Musâ (Moses)? When they said to a Prophet of theirs, “Appoint for us a king and we will fight in Allâh’s Way.” He said, “Would you then refrain from fighting, if fighting was prescribed for you?” They said, “Why should we not fight in Allâh’s Way while we have been driven out of our homes and our children (families have been taken as captives)?” But when fighting was ordered for them, they turned away, all except a few of them. And Allâh is All-Aware of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers).
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And their Prophet (Samuel) said to them, “Indeed Allâh has appointed Talût (Saul) as a king over you.” They said, “How can he be a king over us when we are better fitted than him for the kingdom, and he has not been given enough wealth.” He said: “Verily, Allâh has chosen him above you and has increased him abundantly in knowledge and stature. And Allâh grants His Kingdom to whom He wills. And Allâh is All-Sufficient for His creatures’ needs, All-Knower.”
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And their Prophet (Samuel) said to them: Verily! The sign of His Kingdom is that there shall come to you At-Tâbût (a wooden box), wherein is Sakinah (peace and reassurance) from your Lord and a remnant of that which Musâ (Moses) and Hârûn (Aaron) left behind, carried by the angels. Verily, in this is a sign for you if you are indeed believers.
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Then when Talût (Saul) set out with the army, he said: “Verily! Allâh will try you by a river. So whoever drinks thereof, he is not of me, and whoever tastes it not, he is of me, except him who takes (thereof) in the hollow of his hand.” Yet, they drank thereof, all, except a few of them. So when he had crossed it (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: “We have no power this day against Jalût (Goliath) and his hosts.” But those who knew with certainty that they were to meet their Lord, said: “How often a small group overcame a mighty host by Allâh’s Leave?” And Allâh is with As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).
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And when they advanced to meet Jalût (Goliath) and his forces, they invoked: “Our Lord! Pour forth on us patience and make us victorious over the disbelieving people.”
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So they routed them by Allâh’s Leave and Dawûd (David) killed Jalût (Goliath), and Allâh gave him [Dawûd (David)] the kingdom [after the death of Talût (Saul) and Samuel] and AlªHikmah (Prophethood), and taught him of that which He willed. And if Allâh did not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief. But Allâh is full of Bounty to the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists).
Please note especially that these people at the time hesitate from fighting other people but their god tells them it is their duty to fight and that fighting is good for them. The reason given is also clear that because some people have driven others out of their homes or lands. This idea is repeated in so many verses in the quran. So Allah is forcing people to fight each other even though it is people who have suffered oppression and they are willing to get on with their lives eg see Sura 5 etc.
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And (remember) when Mûsa (Moses) said to his people: “O my people! Remember the Favour of Allâh to you, when He made Prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the 'Alamîn (mankind and jinns, in the past).”
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“O my people! Enter the holy land (Palestine) which Allâh has assigned to you, and turn not back (in flight) for then you will be returned as losers.”
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They said: “O Mûsa (Moses)! In it (this holy land) are a people of great strength, and we shall never enter it, till they leave it; when they leave, then we will enter.”
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Two men of those who feared (Allâh and) on whom Allâh had bestowed His Grace [they were êæÔÚ æ ßÇáÈ Yûsha’ (Joshua) and Kâlab (Caleb)] said: “Assault them through the gate, for when you are in, victory will be yours, and put your trust in Allâh if you are believers indeed.”
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They said: “O Mûsa (Moses)! We shall never enter it as long as they are there. So go you and your Lord and fight you two, we are sitting right here.”
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He [Mûsa (Moses)] said: “O my Lord! I have power only over myself and my brother, so separate us from the people who are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious and disobedient to Allâh)!”
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(Allâh) said: “Therefore it (this holy land) is forbidden to them for forty years; in distraction they will wander through the land. So be not sorrowful over the people who are the Fâsiqûn (rebellious and disobedient to Allâh).”
So it is quite clear in verses like these that allah is a very unforgiving and revengeful god. He does not give muslims the right to compromise with nonmuslims even if nonmuslims are the ones who agressed. Muslim should continue the feud till they are able to overcome the nonmuslims, for victory is decided for Allah and his messenger. Thus it is clear that islam makes even peaceful muslims violent by its quranic teachings.
Another way to look at the quranic teaching is that, quran repeatedly says that life of this world is not important for a muslims, for hereafter is for him, yet at the same time allah is telling muslims not to let go of the good thing in life even if you have to kill or be killed for them. I mean this is all it comes down to come to think of it. Nonmulsims attack muslims and take away their worldly possession eg their land and proerty etc etc, now muslim are told to fight back to get these things back and more from the nonmuslims eg their things and even make them themselves slaves for muslims. So as far as the quran is concerned muslims should be very dangerous people. It is good that not all muslims follow the quran to the letter other wise we will have very difficult time handling a billion revengeful people.
One can also read the quranic translation at the following link;
Regards and all the best.
MMughal, have you read books of other religions? Other books also urge the followers to defend and retaliate.
But only Muslims take the word of their god very seriously.
Can you explore why?
Assalamu Alaikum to all The Muslim Brothers & Sisters.
And for Non-Muslims such as MMughal, etc, - may Allah guide you all. Ameen.
Firstly, any sane Muslim will realize, after having read through MMughals last post,that MMughal has a screw loose in his head.
Secondly, any sane muslim will realize, that MMughal has taken various verses from the Qur'an, and without understanding the actual MEANING or CONTEXT of these verses, MMughal has given his own interpretation of these verses from his own corrupted mind.
Now judging from MMughals mentality, Lets all go to MMughals house, fight him and drive him out of his house. I will assure all of you that MMughal will NOT "retaliate" or "fight back", but rather he will "RUN AWAY" like a coward and just "get on with his life", while we can all happily occupy his house. Now MMughal will not fight back because in his words "this will create a long term animosity between us and him", so he will not fight because he will just want to forget about it and "get on with his life" because he doesn't believe in fighting or violence.
O muslims, we can expect this kind of mentality from MMughal because firstly he is a non-muslim, and second he is a coward. O muslims, realize that being a coward is exactly what Allah is telling us NOT TO BE in the Quran. What Allah is telling us is that when you are attacked, raped, killed and driven out of your houses then don't be cowards (like MMughal), but fight the oppressors in the way of Allah until you have killed and driven every one of them out from where they drove you out. But if you have MMughals mentality then you will just sit and do nothing while the enemy attacks and kills you and your families and drives you out of your lands. This is why Allah is telling us that there are many people who do not like fighting, but then if when you are attacked and you just sit and do nothing because you don't like fighting then surely you will all be destroyed. This is why Allah tells us that there may be things we dislike, but are good for us, and there may be things we like, but are bad for us, Allah alone knows, we do not. Hence this is why Allah tells us to fight and defend ourselves from the aggressors. If all the muslims had the same cowardly thinking as MMughal then there would be no muslims or Islam left in the world today.
And muslims can witness what is happening around the world. Muslims are being killed and driven out of there homes all around the world in Kashmir, palestine, afghanistan, iraq, etc. And you all know what happened in Bosnia. Why are the muslims slowley being wiped out and attacked from all sides. The sole reason that we have stopped following the Qur'an and Sunnah. That we have left Jihad. And this is what Allah is warning us against in the Quran. To beleive in Allah, to have faith in Allah and to Fear none but Allah, and when Allah tells us to defend ourselves from the Kafirs when they attack us, then we should not be cowards and fear for our lives but we should fight and defend our homes and families from the onslaught of the disbelievers.
This is basically the essence of what Allah is telling us in the Quran, not the interpretation of MMughal the coward.
So O muslims of Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir.... Fight those who fight you and drive them out from where they drive you out and kill them where ever you find them.
once again u prove ur ignorance…
dont just take things opsted on anti-Islamic sites and paste them here…
atleast go and read the Quran before u throw out ur hatred with such stupidity…
a one million dollars to anyone who can find the word “JIHAAD” in the verse u quoted or even in the couple of verses after it…
will u stop this inaccurate bunch of lies copy/paste here??? 
Like I said, MMughal has given his own interpretation of the translation of the Qur’an, from his own sick and corrupted mind. I think he gets some cheap thrills out of it.
Another of those threads, where MMughal is using GUPSHUP to promote his inane and offensive ideas. Find another place, dude.
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Jazak Allah Khair.