Does islam allow free speech?
Yes, but you are not allowed to question them, their beliefs, their book, their prophet, their religion, no T.V., no entertainment. These and a few more things apart, rest Islam allows free speech as far as it is against other beliefs, religions, etc.
Ranjeet. You are asking way too many questions. Are you looking to convert? Why don’t you ask of your religion the same questions? See if your religion allows free speech, ET, and whatever you are looking from Islam.
The issue of free speech is a social egress, and has nothing to do with religions. It is like asking can you put diesel fuel in a car in which the engine is designed to run on Unleaded Benzene. Give us a break.
Hmmm…and then he complains about Muslims disrespecting his religion.
That was a stupid response and you’ll only get an insulting reply that’ll probably offend other Hindu members of GupShup. Ranjeet’s query is valid and can be discussed without ignorant and idiotic comments.
Saba
Ps. A good number of our Muslim members respect other religions, lets keep it that way ok.
No, I am not trying to convert NYAhmadi,just asking questions my friend.
Ranjeet, it is understandable and healthy to ask questions, but there has to be some basic distinction made about the issue and whether or not it is related to religious beliefs.
I personally think that “Free speech and Religion” are mutually exclusive and religions by nature do not have any sanction about “free speech”. No matter what religion that might be.
But you have all the rights to ask any questions that you may have, and good luck in your quest. Sorry if sounded irritated before. Hope this thread does not turn into Hindu-Islam bashing competition.
NY Ahmadi,
thanks for your reply,I also hope that this does not turn into a Hindu-Islam bashing,because that would be just running away of the actual topic in hand.
You see,I've been reading this forum for a while now,and I keep reading that Islam is a complete way of life, it answers all questions,it is there for all time. If all that is so, then Islam should be able to answer address all the issues of contemporary society,that is why I have put these questions down.These issues affect all of us,irrespective of religion,colour,race,nationality.
I am not trying to convert,nor am I trying to insult anyone or their belief systems.
Thanks
Ranjeet,
".....nor am I trying to insult anyone or their belief systems."
No you are not trying to do any of the above.....in a Open, Rash and Visible manner that is.....
Just in a very Subtle, I am Naive, trying to Learn about your religion, so help me God...I mean GupShuppers, manner...
Ranjeet,
Sure! As long as it is against the Satan West, India and Israel. This automatically makes you a guardian of Islam.
Criticize Islam, Quran, the Prophet(s), Companions(ra) and you risk not living to see old age. Chances are you won't even get to be burried in a muslim cemetary.
Trust, this answers your question.
Dear Ranjeet!
I am here to answer your question. But I need help from you in determining first of all what constitute a 'free speech'. What is your perception of it and do you find it anywhere on this planet??
No insults, no mean spirited posts.
remind a cold war time story
an american tells a russian 'ours is a land of freedom. i can stand before the white house and shout abuses against president of usa'
'big deal' answers russian ' i can also stand before kremlin and shout abuses against president of usa.
A few people here are in the habbit of mis-informing. They make claims about Islam but are not willing to quote the Scriptures of Islam for validation. Here is the true picture:-
-- Freedom of Conscience and Religion:-
And say thou: the truth is from your Lord; let him therefore who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.
(Chapter 18, The Cave, verse 29)
Lo! this is an advice, that whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord.
(Chapter 76, Man, verse 29)
-- Freedom of Worship:-
Say thou: it is Allah I worship, making for Him my religion exclusive. So worship whatsoever ye will, besides him.
(Chapter 39, The Companies, verse 15)
Say: O disbelievers! I worship not that which ye worship; Nor worship ye that which I worship. And I shall not worship that which ye worship. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
(Chapter 109, The Unbelievers)
-- Non-freedom of abusive speech to Muslims:-
And do not abuse those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest exceeding the limits they should abuse Allah out of ignorance. Thus have We made fair seeming to every people their deeds; then to their Lord shall be their return, so He will inform them of what they did.
(Chapter 6, The Cattle, verse 106)
-- Complete Freedom of Speech to the unbelievers:-
Let not their speech grieve thee: for all power and honor belong to Allah: it is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).
(Chapter 10, Jonah, verse 65)
Let not their speech then grieve thee. Verily We know what they hide as well as what they disclose.
(Chapter 36, Ya Sin, verse 76)
Shame on the mis-informers, the liars, who claim there is no freedom of speech in Islam. Shame on the mis-informers indeed.
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
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Dhir,
Now that the actual teachings have been posted, do you have the courage to come up and face the facts?
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!
Facts!
Whosoever challenges, Allah, Mohd., Quran, Islam is branded immediately as Kafir and fatwas are issued on his head (mind it, it is done by the religious leaders, who, I presume, know more than a common man like you), so much for your so-called facts.
We all know what is the treatment referred to for Kafirs in Islam and Quran by your all merciful Allah as you believe (or may be by Mohd., as may be the fact)
Do you really want me to come up with similar truths from your religious books which suppress the freedom of expression.
My suggestion is 'don't challenge'.
Pagal Insa'an,
Ya'ar, I'll give you a case in point that will strike HOME for you.
1)Tell me - how were the Ahmedias treated when they decided to opt for 'freedom to express'?
2) Care to quote from the Pakistan's Blasphemey Law and co-relate your positions with the real-life that exists for Ahmedias, Christians and others under the Blasphemy laws?
Again, there is no BEEF in what you all state! It sounds good to your ears only!
Dear dhir,
It is a norm with the students in Comparative Religions that the acts of followers of a religion are not associated with the teachings of the Religion. This also was the first rule I was taught by my teacher of the Science of Kalaam.
To associate a rule towards a religion, we must prove its root in the scriptures of that religion. The priests and scholars who spend all their lives finding faults in the Koran are not stupid. It certainly takes less time to find faults in the constituition of Pakistan.
To associate a rule to Islam, you must prove its roots in the Koran. You did associate a few vague rules to Islam, and I proved that they were outrightly against the teachings of the Koran.
What is Islam? Is it a philosophy taught in the Koran, or is it the practices of the government of Pakistan? The former ofcourse. Then what gives you the right to associate the practice of the Government of Pakistan to Islam.
Ahmadies are denied freedom of speech in the name of Islam, but Ahmadies demand freedom of speech in the name of the same Islam
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So what Islam would you believe in? The one that denies freedom of speech, or the one that allows it? Certainly it comes to what the scripture says. And I showed that to you already
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…So they turned away from him and said, ‘’ A man tutored, possessed! ‘’
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Paagal Insaan!
As for your threat...
I have always believed in comparing the strengths of the religious philosophies, rather than pointing out weaknesses. But since you do not claim to own any philosophy to avoid a tit for tat response, I would rather allow you, or in your words, challege you to go on an prove your point throught he teachings of the scripture of Islam, i.e. The Koran.
Go on, I'm waiting already.
.....So they turned away from him and said, '' A man tutored, possessed! ''
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Paagal Insaan!