Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
You have full right to think about Bible coming out of 104 different books… Quran is exactly how it was transmitted and made it being memorized to Muhammad:saw: by the angel Gibreal (Jibrael:as: )
Show me just one person who has memorized any book other than Quran “word by word”… There are millions of people who know Quran without an iota of changes. No one has mucked up Quran for 1400 years. Quran is not Bible.
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
Quran has obfuscated many ideas, mystified many by its teaching and confused many by the multitued of interpretations. Therefore, it begs and beckons for edification and not simply resorting to memory.
And I am sure Mohammed PBUH , no matter what you would like to believe recieved and noted every single word onto paper in verbatim.
Whats the point of memorizing Quran when it is written? That memory time would be better spend on studying other important subjects such as science, math, literature, art, dance and sport. I am sure GOD meant people to be well rounded not well roted. -- that is LIFE! Diversification of experience and joy in its discoveries of knowledge gleaned.
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
Thousands of people have memorised it since during the time of the Prophet salallah aleihi wasallam. If there were any mistakes (naozubillah), it would have been realised and be corrected by the authorities.
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He had few of his companions doing this job of writing for him as it was revealed. So, Quran was in written format since the time of the Prophet:saw: but was not in a book format until next couple of decades…
Memorizing of Quran along with following its teaching has other spiritual and religious aspects that are not visible to those who are not muslims or muslims with ignorance in faith.
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Those authorities are too busy memorizing not analyzing while many too busy regurgitating without questioning and many too busy indoctrinating instead of contemplating:bummer:
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How do you know? Have you studied the shariah of Islam? The 4 fiqhs, or even one fiqh (because it takes at least 10-20 years for the easiest fiqh)? Have you studied the science of the hadith transmissions? So which of these have you done that you have the authority to question our scholars?
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perhaps you should look into the work done in that case in last 1400 years as well. They say Ignorance is a bliss in disguise. you are blessed.
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
as it appears many people are ignorant, being led in dogma that purports absolute truth fosters ignorance in society. Espcially when dogma has had only a man's hand to deliver it. And we all know how men were 1400 years ago, simple troglodytes and it seems many still are.
Advances are made only from questioning, editing, and analyzing by using deductive and inductive reasoning with rational and logical thinking. In this I am blessed and not led.
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whatever makes you happy. Good for you. :k:
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
(4:34)...]as for those women on whose part ye fear rebellion (nushuz), admonish them and banish them to beds apart, (and last) beat (adriboo) them. Then, if they obey you, seek not a way against them.
Adriboo (root: daraba): to beat, to strike, to hit, to separate, to part.
The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba."
The thing with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.
Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens". "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example".
Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty:
"O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)"
So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example.
Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point.
Here a couple verses for reference.
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)"
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468)"
Hopefully this is sufficient.
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
Then it no longer becomes the word of Allah. which is why no editiing has ever occurred, nor will it ever. If you want to go ahead and edit the Quran, by all means do so. However, you will be a follower in your own man made religion, not Islam.
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nice reply
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
Are you saying that God who created this world was not aware that it would change in 1400 yrs later? Are we going to have King James version n then flana version n dhamkana version. Oh which one do u follow? … What happened to transfer of our religious values, facts, ethics to the next generation?? 
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The more I study and question I begin to wonder the truth of GOD's existence.
Gabriel spoke to Mohammed 1400 years ago, about 2000 years ago GOD and Jesus etc, etc, and don't forget Moses, why did he not speak 10, 000, or 20,000 and why not now to civilization when he is most needed? Is HE sleeping or not there? man made sounds plausible don't you think in this point?
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GOOD point----
Do you ever wonder who you would be say you were born into a Buddist family, would you not be devout to Buddism. Perhaps if you were born into a Roman Catholic family would you be a devout Catholic and attend church.
One’s religion and dogma is not from free will but from the moment of birth it is intrenched into them. Of course the GOOD BOOK of whatever faith is presented as the word and exact word from the world above from the moment you born and listen to your parents you will be leave it as so Obviously then, you would have the same argument for the BIBLE should you have been born into a Roman Catholic family( Perhaps even a priest ). And the same argument for the Torah. and the same for Scientology!
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yah but it can be proven that those books have been edited, revised, added to, deleted parts, unlike the Quran.
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NO BEATING ITS HARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
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Topic has been delt with to death in another thread....
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^looks likes they haven't seen it yet.
Re: does Islam allow beating up of women
most translations have it as 'beat them' which can only mean one thing so I don't whats the confusion about it meaning something else.