If Iran indeed makes Nuclear Weapons, it will be declared a pariah state by most of the world just like North Korea.
China and Russia who had openly defended Iran’s right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes would now be unable to defend Iran.
Iran will be definately slapped with sanctions.
Israel will proclaim it was right all along that Iran is a major threat to its existence.
Iran will not able to threaten any country.
If Iran fires nukes at Israel, NATO and Israel will annhiliate Iran.
Iran cannot give nuclear weapons to any other terrorist groups like Hezbollah or Hamas since if they use Nuclear Weapons against Israel, Iran gets annhiliated.
Where as Pakistan and Israel needed nuclear weapons to bring parity on the battlefield in Pakistan’s case its smaller military compared to India and Israel’s smaller population and lack of strategic depth compared to the Arab states.
Iran has no need for nuclear weapons nor will it benefit from making them.
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The question is not whether it needs them…The question is, does it have a right to have nuclear weapons?
And if it doesn’t have a right to have nuclear weapons, then what is the criteria by which a nation can or cannot have nuclear weapons?
The best course of action is to look at history to determine which nation should and shouldn;t have nuclear weapons…
Iran has not attacked another nation in more than 250 years…Iran has not indulged in occupying other nations, killing or influencing the politics of another state…
I don’t see a better candidate for having the right to attain nuclear power as a means to safeguard its populace…
However, if history were a witness, what nation of all deserves the least to possess any nuclear arsenal?
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^ the one who indulges in fights needs more than the one who doesn't... if you are a "warrior" like nation then you can have all the bombs/arsenal you want but if you are not into fighting then you should not buy one either.
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Exactly...Just because through legal and historical means that Iran can have nuclear weapons but that doesn't mean it should and especially with the martyr culture in Iran, I really cannot trust Iran to act responsibly when it has nuclear weapons.
If Turkey or Japan or Argentina were making Nuclear Weapons, I would have no problem that. Because they are responsible countries. Iran isn't.
Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Burma, Belarus, Sudan, Syria and other countries are just too unstable and irresponsible with a weapon that can devastate the planet.
Its not a matter if a country is in its rights to make nuclear weapons it depends if the country is responsible to be trusted with them and if it has a need for them.
As for the current nuclear powers:
USA, Russia, China, and England need nuclear weapons because they are global powers and exert influence througout the world.
Pakistan and Israel need nuclear weapons due to the nature of the threat they face.
Countries like India, France, and North Korea don't need nuclear weapons.
Again, aside from North Korea, India is iffy but France is responsible to be trusted with Nuclear Weapons even though its global influence is diminished.
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My post was sarcastic but now that you agreed to it, you are saying that the nations who are into "fighting/wars" need it more than "peaceful" nations hence Iran doesn't need one!?
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If Turkey or Japan or Argentina were making Nuclear Weapons, I would have no problem that. Because they are responsible countries. Iran isn't.
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When was the last time Iran invaded a country? Just give me the time frame/year, no "ifs and buts" :)
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Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Burma, Belarus, Sudan, Syria and other countries are just too unstable and irresponsible with a weapon that can devastate the planet.
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May be they can use the bomb in a similar way like US did to stop some war that occurs in their neighborhood in future!
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Its not a matter if a country is in its rights to make nuclear weapons it depends if the country is responsible to be trusted with them and if it has a need for them.
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Whose trust? Your? Mine? Neighbor's? Who are we to determine the "trust"? May be after Iran has a nuke they can exert similar pressure as you said here:
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USA, Russia, China, and England need nuclear weapons because they are global powers and** exert influence througout the world**.
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But I guess that wouldn't go well with some people.
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If Turkey or Japan or Argentina were making Nuclear Weapons, I would have no problem that. Because they are responsible countries. Iran isn't.
Iran, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Burma, Belarus, Sudan, Syria and other countries are just too unstable and irresponsible with a weapon that can devastate the planet.
Its not a matter if a country is in its rights to make nuclear weapons it depends if the country is responsible to be trusted with them and if it has a need for them.
As for the current nuclear powers:
USA, Russia, China, and England need nuclear weapons because they are global powers and exert influence througout the world.
Pakistan and Israel need nuclear weapons due to the nature of the threat they face.
Countries like India, France, and North Korea don't need nuclear weapons.
Again, aside from North Korea, India is iffy but France is responsible to be trusted with Nuclear Weapons even though its global influence is diminished.
And why do you think USA or Israel will act responsibly????
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When was the last time Iran invaded a country? Just give me the time frame/year, no "ifs and buts" :)
Iran hasn't invaded any country but does sponsor terrorist groups throughout the middle east and around the world.
Well since USA dropped a nuclear weapon on Japan without knowing the effects of Radiation. Since 8 or 9 countries in the world have nuclear weapons and many others know how to make it. This is opening a pandora box. Iran developing a nuke and using to stop a regional war will cause other countries to develop it as well and it will spiral out of control. Iran is an regional and economic power. Iran in a way is the Germany of the middle east. Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons but still has a lot of clout.
Fair enough question. Then who determines how trustworthy Iran really is?
Iran having a nuke will gain nothing. They won't be able to use without seeking their own annhiliation. But the only problem is that if there are some Iranians who welcome annhiliation if it means the west or Israel gets wiped out. Thats the danger.
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so in a way you agree that it could be used to stop war, if others would want it for same reason then why not?
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Iran is an regional and economic power. Iran in a way is the Germany of the middle east. Germany doesn't have nuclear weapons but still has a lot of clout.
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Since when? I thought it was another failed state.
[quote] Iran having a nuke will gain nothing. They won't be able to use without seeking their own annhiliation. But the only problem is that if there are some Iranians who welcome annhiliation if it means the west or Israel gets wiped out. Thats the danger.
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They will gain "deterrence", no invasions, not good enough reason?
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Absolutely. Nuclear weapons have been used to end wars (world war II), prevent wars (usa-ussr, india-pakistan) but also trigger potential wars (cuban missile crisis). So we have to be careful as to what safe guards and measures are taken to protect these weapons. If Iran makes nukes and gives them to splinter organizations in Hezbollah or Hamas and they blow it up in Israel prompting an Israeli retaliation which will totally wipe Iran off the map. Iran is just too closely associated with terrorist groups, too militant, too fundamentalist and its rhetoric can only come true with the use of nuclear weapons.
If a man in a neighbourhood yells and threatens another family living in that neighbourhood that he will kill them all, it is common sense that that man be not given a Machine Gun or any other weapon which can kill that entire family, just to be on the safe side. Even though the constitution states he has a right to bear arms.
When did Iran become a failed state?
Ideologically maybe, as for influential, no.
Iran has oil, it is the largest geographical country in the middle east, it is the 2nd largest country in the middle east in population after Egypt, it has a very vast network of terrorist/militant networks in the middle east and around the world and Iran has a great deal of clout in Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinian territories.
Well if they stop threatening Israel every chance they get. North Korea became a pariah state after it developed nuclear weapons, same fate will fall upon Iran.
MUSLIM students training to be imams at a British college with strong Iranian links have complained that they are being taught fundamentalist doctrines which describe nonMuslims as “filth”. The Times has obtained extracts from medieval texts taught to the students in which unbelievers are likened to pigs and dogs. The texts are taught at the Hawza Ilmiyya of London, a religious school, which has a sister institution, the Islamic College for Advanced Studies (ICAS), which offers a degree validated by Middlesex University.
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The students, who have asked to remain anonymous, study their religious courses alongside the university-backed BA in Islamic studies. They spend two days a week as religious students and three days on their university course.
The Hawza Ilmiyya and the ICAS are in the same building at Willesden High Road, northwest London — a former Church of England primary school — and share many of the same teaching staff.
They have a single fundraising arm, the Irshad Trust, one of the managing trustees of which is Abdolhossein Moezi, an Iranian cleric and a personal representative of Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, the Iranian supreme religious leader.
Mr Moezi is also the director of the Islamic Centre of England in Maida Vale, a large mosque and community centre that is a registered charity. Its memorandum of association, lodged with the Charity Commission, says that: “At all times at least one of the trustees shall be a representative of the Supreme Spiritual Leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”
Both the Irshad Trust and the Islamic Centre of England Ltd (ICEL) were established in 1996. Mr Moezi’s predecessor as Ayatollah Khamenei’s representative, another cleric called Mohsen Araki, was a founding trustee of both charities.
In their first annual accounts, lodged with the Charity Commission in 1997, the charities revealed substantial donations. The Irshad Trust received gifts of £1,367,439 and the ICEL accepted an “exceptional item” of £1.2 million.
Around the same time, the ICEL bought a former cinema in Maida Vale without a mortgage. Since then it has received between £1 million and £1.7 million in donations each year which, it says, come from British and overseas donors. The centre declined to say if any of its money came from Iran.
Since 2000, its accountants have recorded in their auditors’ report on the charity’s accounts that they have limited evidence about the source of donations.
The links between the two charities and Iran are strong. The final three years of the eight-year Hawza Ilmiyya course are spent studying in colleges in the holy city of Qom, the power base of Iran’s religious leaders.
The text that has upset some students is the core work in their Introduction to Islamic Law class and was written by Muhaqqiq al-Hilli, a 13thcentury scholar. The Hawza Ilmiyya website states that “the module aims to familiarise the student with the basic rules of Islamic law as structured by al-Hilli”.
Besides likening unbelievers to filth, the al-Hilli text includes a chapter on jihad, setting down the conditions under which Muslims are supposed to fight Jews and Christians.
The text is one of a number of books that some students say they find “disturbing” and “very worrying”. Their spokesman told The Times: “They are being exposed to very literalist interpretations of the Koran. These are interpretations that would not be recognised by
80 or 90 per cent of Muslims, but they are being taught in this school.
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so people dont have the right to hate kafirs?
i thought uncle sam thought that people have the right to believe whatever they choose, but i see that u think they can as long as they are aligned with U.S. beliefs.
i dont see how u havent been banned yet.
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If a man in a neighbourhood yells and threatens another family living in that neighbourhood that he will kill them all, it is common sense that that man be not given a Machine Gun or any other weapon which can kill that entire family, just to be on the safe side. Even though the constitution states he has a right to bear arms.
When did Iran become a failed state?
Ideologically maybe, as for influential, no.
Iran has oil, it is the largest geographical country in the middle east, it is the 2nd largest country in the middle east in population after Egypt, it has a very vast network of terrorist/militant networks in the middle east and around the world and Iran has a great deal of clout in Lebanon, Syria and the Palestinian territories.
Well if they stop threatening Israel every chance they get. North Korea became a pariah state after it developed nuclear weapons, same fate will fall upon Iran.
dude, U.S. wants muslims wiped off the face of the earth and they want to control everybody in the world for their own gain...the difference between iran pres and pres bush, is that one is straight forward, and one pretends to be doing this for the good of the world with alterior motives.
hmm why isnt us doing anything about north korea, they torture people, they have nuclear capabilities, they hate U.S., they r threats to their neighboring countries, y? cuz they can fight back, and U.S. dont like dat..:D
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First of all, I don't think you have read my earlier posts which showed that I was totally against the war in Iraq.
I never supported Bush on his war in Iraq.
As for North Korea. It is a very dangerous regime but its a contained regime.
Iran is not.
Iran has its tentacles in Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine territories. It supports terrorist groups and has carried out global terrorist attacks from the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 1983, to the Israeli embassy and jewish center bombings in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1992, to the bombing of the US base in Dammam in 1996 and many others.
It has sworn to destroy Israel.
Iran is a an uncontrolled menace but North Korea is not.
You have to prioritize things.
Iran with its vile rhetoric, anti-semitism, sponsor of terrorism throughout the world represents a clear and present danger and if this fanatical regime acquires a nuclear weapon, it would be willing to sacrifice it self if it meant that it detonated a nuke in Tel Aviv and Haifa and wiped out the Jews and Israel from the map even though a Israeli 2nd strike from its Dolphin Submarines will take out all of Iran.
Be realistic and don't ask such childish questions