Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
^ firstly language and culture keep on evolving with time it's not static. Secondly while it'd make sense that people of the valley and Jammu speak different languages. Do the Hindus in the Kashmir valley also speak dogri? I don't think so, if you take a sample out of a particular region the major traits you'll find similar.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
I am talking about the evolution and change that came with change in religion where old scripts were discarded and new loan words from foreign languages absorbed . Not being influenced by neighbouring languages. That is a totally different thing alltogether. Ofcourse language evolve else we would not have old English and queen's english. I picked Kashmiri because the Kashmiri pandits who are not dogri btw use different words for stuff which are sanskrit in origin and muslims use arabic and persian loan words for the same. Over the centuries, the language has changed between the 2 religions. So there is a change in culture with change in religion. What abt my buddhist culture question. What aspects of buddhist culture do you see still followed in pakistan?
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
^ that change happened with time. What about now? Well I will leave Kashmir as is for the time being. That's another thing that the languages spoken in the valley are similar to those in Gilgit baltistan. How would one explain the language of Azad Kashmir (Muslim) which is similar to Jammu as compared to Kashmiri. As far as I am concerned if I see Christians in Lahore, I personally don't see any particular difference in the languages they speak or the way they behave. They follow a different religion that's it.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
There is so much to culture than food and wedding customs.
In the word of Sir Edward Burnett Tyler, culture is a an integration of different systems. It is a 'complex whole' influenced by various factors, and all cultures constantly experiment change and import ideas from different cultures (for example: the parliamentary system of governance in Pakistan). And when you talk about culture, one must differentiate whether the focus is on visual behaviour and lifestyle, values or intellectual make up. Some features of culture are more explicit hence easier to observe, while others are implicit and as much an individual and psychological construct as it a social construct.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
What aspects of buddhist culture do you see still followed in pakistan?
Budh is still used when you addressed someone in Sindhi. Its equal to 'Listen'.
They still put hands together (like asking forgiveness), when two people meet in Sindh. I don't know whether its from Hinduism or Buddhism, but this is not followed in Punjab.
A generation or two ago, Sindh remained highly vegetarian (which is a trait of Buddhism, later followed by Hinduism).
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
As far as I am concerned if I see Christians in Lahore, I personally don't see any particular difference in the languages they speak or the way they behave. They follow a different religion that's it.
Don't they say 'baba log', etc. I think Parsis still use tooti phooti Urdu with a specific accent instead of living in the region for centuries.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
There is so much to culture than food and wedding customs.
In the word of Sir Edward Burnett Tyler, culture is a an integration of different systems. It is a 'complex whole' influenced by various factors, and all cultures constantly experiment change and import ideas from different cultures (for example: the parliamentary system of governance in Pakistan). And when you talk about culture, one must differentiate whether the focus is on visual behaviour and lifestyle, values or intellectual make up. Some features of culture are more explicit hence easier to observe, while others are implicit and as much an individual and psychological construct as it a social construct.
But hidden psyche sometimes appears when the person is in action. How he follow the daily life customs says how much a society has been affected by introduction of new religion. Like there has been many changes as to lanaguage, food, clothing, arts including architecture, etc, but when you closely look into wedding and even death customs, you will find that similar in people following different religions but living in same region. Thus though burial customs are different in Hindus and Muslims of sub-continent, but teeja, chothi, dasween, which are Indian cultural things got an Islamic touch with Muslims and most of them don't know that whether they are following religion or region's culture while practicing these customs. Interestingly, Rasm e Qul, is phul from Hinduism.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
But hidden psyche sometimes appears when the person is in action. How he follow the daily life customs says how much a society has been affected by introduction of new religion. Like there has been many changes as to lanaguage, food, clothing, arts including architecture, etc, but when you closely look into wedding and even death customs, you will find that similar in people following different religions but living in same region. Thus though burial customs are different in Hindus and Muslims of sub-continent, but teeja, chothi, dasween, which are Indian cultural things got an Islamic touch with Muslims and most of them don't know that whether they are following religion or region's culture while practicing these customs. Interestingly, Rasm e Qul, is phul from Hinduism.
...And there are certain Muslim sects in subcontinent who do not follow such cultural practices mentioned in your post. Some of them in fact vehemently oppose this trend. So yes, that proves the point that culture is not static. Even within one country, it changes from group to group, region to region etc. Culture on the whole is extremely diverse and influenced by various different factors, religion is just one of those influences. In this religion vs region debate, you can also argue that what to extent Islam (Quran & Sunnah) represent and preach Arabic culture?
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Many cultural practices can be formed and are form through group consensus and interpenetration. If culture can be called identity, such group practices would be seen as one of the features of group identity.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
In this religion vs region debate, you can also argue that what to extent Islam (Quran & Sunnah) represent and preach Arabic culture?
There are historians who believe that Arab Iran tussle lies in this conflict of cultures. Till Omayyad period, Arab culture dominated the Muslim territories and in Abbasid period, Persian culture dominated the scene even the customs followed in khalifa's darbar were of Persian origin.
Re: Does change in religion automatically lead to change in Culture?
There are historians who believe that Arab Iran tussle lies in this conflict of cultures. Till Omayyad period, Arab culture dominated the Muslim territories and in Abbasid period, Persian culture dominated the scene even the customs followed in khalifa's darbar were of Persian origin.
The whole Arab revolt against the Ottoman Empire was also based on typical distorted notion of Arab cultural and racial supremacy over non-Arabs, only for them to be slapped hard by years of Western imperialism that they still haven't recovered from.
There was a time when Islamic culture was defined by it's advancement in science, innovation, human knowledge, arts, intellectual vigour, diplomacy, system laws and moral codes (all those things that Western cultures are now known for). But today, it is quite saddening to see Muslims in a constant state of dilemma about petty cultural customs and forever comparing different cultures on the basis of lifestyle and appearances.