Does Allah exist?

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Re: Does Allah exist?

If you say you believe these things that's one thing, but calling it proof is too much. proof is something that stands up on its own and is based on facts, not blind faith, opinions and personal beliefs.

Can you backup the statement "prophecy is considered the most authentic criterion and a vital proof for the prophet"?

If we apply this criterion, every tarot card reader, astrologer and jyothisht is a prophet!

A simple question. If God really uttered these words, why did he/she have to do that? Obviously this God wants people to believe "I am He" badly and is anxious to offer proplehcy as a way of convincing them. Why not just plant that belief in them, being God the all powerful? Frankly this statement is more proof that "I" may not be "He" rather than "I am He".

Even if one accepts the criteria set by the atheist (which by the way are full of holes but that is a different discussion), your statement that "no one can ever imagine......" is completely false. Many many people can certainly so imagine and in fact have imagined a lot more amazing events. These people come from all sorts of professions and religions. In fact 'vocations' such as astrology are much older then the Quran.

how do you equate skin and fingers? they are not the same.

A stronger argument may be DNA can be obtained from any part of the skin but then you have two problems here: 1) DNA can be obtained from any of the body, not just skin and 2) DNA can only be used as evidence in certain types of acts, not all.

This is also full of holes, in fact there are more holes than substance because:

1) how do you equate corruption to pollution?
2) even if you do that, how do you call fossil fuels that the Arabs have in abundance man made?
3) most importantly, is God admitting that man is more powerful than God that man can destry what God created?

So why do god fearing muslims reject Israel's right to existence?

1) How do you jump from 'alter Allah's creation' to genetic engg? This statement could refer to almost anythinga and everything that man and animals do. For example animals eat stuff created by God and alter the food don't they?

2) Even if if by some stretch of imagination if one thinks this refers to GI, genetic engineering was performed in ancient India thousands of years before Islam came about. So how can you call this a prediction or a prophecy?

In fact ancient Hindu texts not only talk about GI but about teh dangers of it, the good kind and the bad kind etc. You should read up on our Vedas and ancient books of medicine which are a thousand times more specific than this lose statement you quote!

How do you equate 'move' to 'blow up'? two different things.

Again, mountains were moved thousands of years ago before Islam came about, so you can call this statement a very late news item rather than prediction. For example

In Ramayana, in a particular battle when Lakshmana gets immobilized by a poisoned arrow of Indrajit, Hanuman goes looking for a particular herb for antidote. When he couldn't locate it, he moves and carries the entire mountain where it grows!!

Makes no sense, this jump from horses to transport systems. And oh by the way, you mean to say horses did not exists before Islam? How can this be called a prophecy when horses were used centuries before Quran was written?

Why zoo? why not the Great Flood and the gathering of wild beasts in Noah's arch - which preceded Quran so cannot be a prophecy

Or the gathering of the wild monkey army in Ramayana which again happened long long before Islam!

Or may be it refers to Barnum & Bailey circus animals?

You are jumping from rivers to oceans, but let's put that aside for a moment.

The cleverly placed 'presently' inside paranthesis changes the prophecy doesn't it? Why are you introducing words that did not exist in the quote from Quran?

Even putting that aside here is a simple, a very simple question to you:

Suez connects Meditarranean and Red Sea. Both are salt water bodies. Did Quran misread one of them as sweet water?

similarly the Panama canal connects the Caribbean with Pacific Ocean, both of which are salt water as well.

So can you please dispense with this prophetic nonsense?

Various people were always brought together - when armies were formed and battles fought; when universties were bringing students internationally and exchanging knowledge; when there a swyamvara occurred; when a large Yagnya was performed....I can go on.

And all of these predate internet, satellite systems, telephone and what you call fast transport systems. All of these are well documented in books and sculptures of many civilizations that precede emergence of Islam and Quran.

In fact if you want to look for ancient references to remote sensing-signalling, satellite communication and data transfers, read up on the Ramayana and Bhagvat Gita.

huh? please recheck you quote and see if you mixed the words up. As it stands, it says that "the victim is questioned about the crime the victim committed". Perhaps this is the source of why female rape victims are made to prove with four wirnesses while the accused male can sit pretty, in many islamic countries?

Books existed before Islam obviously. Monks took cured palm leaf collections abroad in abundance

If Quran was predicting printing press, there is nothing in the statement you've quoted about that

can you show me when, where and which scientist has proved extra-terrestrial life? bollocks man!

Oh by the way, Hindu scriptures talk clearly about the universe, the various star systems and planets, the expansion and contractions, the science and math of orbits, gravity and super nova. They also talk about the time-space relationships and the curvature of time in various parts of the space (eg: a minute in Brahmalogh/Sathyalogh being X years in earth etc). And these were written thousands of years before Islam and Quran.

So, how is anything you state here a prophecy when all of this has been explained a million times more specifically before?

I am going to tell you something truly breadtalking here. There is an ancient book written by Sage Bharadwaja titled "Vymanika Sastra". The book "Vimana Aircraft of Ancient India and Atlantis" by By David Hatcher Childress, Ivan Terence Sanderson quotes from the Vymanasastra liberally. Just google it.

The sastra referred not only describes the aircraft manufacture, the alloys used, the mapping of atmospheric forces including pressures, currents, turbulence etc but also the layers and air routes that a pilot should know.

So forget about prophecies and prrof in Quran. Here is proof why present day Hindus are dumbest creatures in the world - when such documented knowledge exists within Sanskrit, not even 2% of Indians can read/write that language!

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*"It never happens that permissiveness overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers." *(Ibn-e-Majah, Kitab-ul-Fitan)* see footnote
You need at least a doctor of medicine and an expert of social behaviour at the same time to talk about such behaviours and their fatal consequence. Muhammad (Peace be upon him) was neither of them, but a Prophet of God who didn’t copy from the Bible and paste in the Quran and foretell the same fate of perverts of Sodom and Gomorrah for the future perverts, but a unique disease never heard or known by earlier people, AIDS! The medical scientists are unanimous that this disease is never recorded in the annals of history.
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[/INDENT] Isn't this simply fatalistic? There are other and older texts that more specifically discuss attributes and changes in morality and behavior of humans, how it changes as the yugas progress and how the world gets cleansed and the cosmic karmoc cycle begins again.

So where is the prophecy? For Hindus this is just restatement of well known facts!

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