…the kid in Fla who, when he was 12, killed that 6yr old girl. Everyone kept saying “awwww, he’s just a kid” even though he beat a six yr old girl to death and gave the excuse he was just wrestling like he saw on TV. The sentence he got of life imprisonment without parole was overturned by a judge. He ended up being released after 3 years in jail when he was 17. His mother was a state trooper and kept saying he’s such a good boy, it was a mistake that he broke bones and ruptured the spleen of that little girl, they were just playing. Boo hoo, feel sorry for my boy the murderer.
Apparently he is now 18 and he was just accused of holding up a pizza man at gunpoint and was ordered held without bail.
Not surprised.
Looking for link to the paper I was reading give me a sec.
Now it seems mommy’s service revolvers are missing, but of course it wasn’t him heavy sarcastic tone. Also it was a case of mistaken identity :rolleyes:
....the kid in Fla who, when he was 12, killed that 6yr old girl. Everyone kept saying "awwww, he's just a kid" even though he beat a six yr old girl to death and gave the excuse he was just wrestling like he saw on TV.
Give him a break. He was 12. And there have been any kids around that age, who have been accused of killing others. It is true sometimes, but it is an accident at other times. I dont believe children, 12 year olds, are master minds at planning and murdering others in cold blood. They are so young, they hardly know anything. I think its wrong to say he deserved life in prison or something at 12. Mental hospital maybe, to help him overcome all that, and its punishment enough. 13 or even 14, is old enough to be more responsible, but 12 year olds are mere babies.
and most mothers will love their children. Sheesh, whats so boo hoo about it.
At 18 - thats a completely different issue. This he is most definately responsible for and should be punished.
Maddy - I remember that case, always wondered what happened. I know it wasn't a personal attack, but where did you get death penalty or did you mean they should have it?
SK - He was 12 when he murdered, 18 right now. I think that is applicable in US, not sure about England. Also not applicable to minors just adults.
M_Q - there's a girl dead is what is wrong with that. It was no where close to being an accident, She was beaten for close to two hours before dying of the injury she got. She had cuts, bruises, lacerations, broken bones....
Edit: I see what you added. What was so boo-hoo about the mother's reaction is that she was in the house at the time while that girl was being beaten, laying upstairs with the TV on ignoring all the noise downstairs, you know, the screams and crying going on (what a hassle to deal with right?). She thought they were just playing, kids always cry and scream when playing. Do you want to know when she got up off her butt to check? When it got quiet.
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That is hardly a consolation to the parents of the six yr old.
Mad_Scientist - gotcha, but personally, I can't do the death penalty
*The youngsters took Bulger on a 2½ mile (4 km) walk. At one point they led him to a canal, where James sustained some injuries to his head and face after apparently being dropped to the ground. Later on in their journey, a witness reported seeing James being kicked in the ribs by one of the boys to encourage him along.
During the entire walk, the two boys and James were seen by 38 people, some of whom noticed an injury to the infant's head and later recalled that he seemed distressed. Others reported that James appeared happy and was seen laughing, the boys seemingly alternating between hurting and distracting him. A few members of the public challenged the two older boys, but they claimed they were looking after their younger brother, or that he was lost and that they were taking him to the police station, and were allowed to continue on their way. They eventually led Bulger to a section of railway line near Walton.
At this location, one of the boys threw blue modelling paint on James's face. They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22 lb (10 kg) iron bar. Before they left him, the boys laid James across the train tracks and weighed his head down with rubble. Two days later, on Sunday of the same week, Bulger's body was discovered. A pathologist later testified that James had died before his body was run over by a goods train.*
Thats too sad. Why wasnt the mother locked behind bars in that case!!! Arghh. Still Minah a 12 year old is a child. Have you seen what 6 year olds do to each other when they have temper tantrums. In cases like these, the adults are responsible. Thats what I am saying.
Nah, not following....... but had a heated debate in a class I was teaching with some of the adult students at the time it occured, so remember the case well.
This pops up in the news and I am like, well, what do you know.....
M_Q - yes, I think the mother is quilty too, but nothing legal. :(
Just curious - do you still believe if a child is brought up in a way that results in their killing others, are they still able to be rehabilitated?
I am not aware of the details, but from what you have outlined, the mother seems to be the one to blame. Was the mother not questioned, or a suspect etc? Odd.
Yes they are. But how is one brought up to kill? Violence, drugs etc in the family can have negative affects on a child. But again, how is the poor child to blame?
Behavior at that age is an indicator to conduct as an adult. I don’t mean that such behavior can never be corrected In this case it showed that this kid was willing to beat a crying baby and thus did not have much compassion to begin with.
After being to a number of juvenile correctional facilities, I am with you minah baji. Parents are usually a lot more guilty than the children and to think that somehow those teenagers, with sometimes very horrible crimes, will learn something positive about life in the correctional facilities is a overly optimistic view of such facilities by the judiciary and the people in general.
Oh and MQ, let me turn a fatwa on you. In Islamic jurisprudence, most fiqhs consider 12-13 year olds as adults.
M_Q - the mother was a respected state trooper and an active member of the church in the area from the news at the time. What drugs, violence in the family? There wasn't any.
Also what could she legally have been charged with?
Do you believe that some people are born psychopaths? I do.
Thats why we have therapists and psycholgists and so forth. I have heard of enough cases where the kid was able to learn to care, and why such crimes are wrong. I have hope for people. I dont believe anyone is completely cold, completely lacking any positive emotional feelings.
How we are raised, make us who we become as adults.
However, people can be changed.
AJ-- A baligh is not judged based on just age, But mental capacity and family issues, what happened, how he was raised etc. Islamically speaking, the mother here would still be to blame.Please dont raise fatwas in cases where the issue is so obvious. (plus I dont think 12 is a baligh)
M_Q - the mother was a respected state trooper and an active member of the church in the area from the news at the time. What drugs, violence in the family? There wasn’t any. Do you believe that some people are born psychopaths? I do.
Well something happened. He didnt kill out of the blue. It was childish rage, his intent was to hurt because of his temper. Or he learned it from elswhere. Tv, video games, school. So many factors. No kids arent born psychopaths.
