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Leftist do not kill, abduct or actively recruit youth for their utopian goals. Left extremism is largely a fantasy, an excuse perpetrated by those on right, to justify their criminal acts to masses.
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Leftist do not kill, abduct or actively recruit youth for their utopian goals.
They don't? Read up on Mao Zedong plz, for example.
Left extremism is largely a fantasy, an excuse perpetrated by those on right, to justify their criminal acts to masses.
Left extremism exists. Much more beyond Pakistani borders.
perpetrated by those on right, to justify their criminal acts to masses.
People with rightist bent are not necessarily criminals or terrorists. Please open your mind.
Again, no one should have a problem with anyone being leftist or rightist. The problem with Paracha is not his political ideology, but the way he treats ideas and people he doesn't like, like CM said in post #19.
On top of that, he starts crying when someone returns him the favor in same coins. If he disagrees with someone, he can publish caricatures of that person. If a professor at a university disagrees with him, why cry about it then? Anyways, that story was cooked up, in my opinion. ;-)
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there a vey simple answer to this, but lets keep it to the history section.. as for Paracha, if Mohammad bin Qassim was invader **then what would you call Pathans residing in Indo-Pak region for 1000s of years and who were here mostly with an invader like Mehmoog Ghaznavi or Mohammad Khan Ghori or Babar??? **what should we do to them??? or what should we do to Arians who invaded Sub-Cont. few thousand year back???
The purpose of this thread is discussing Paracha instead of MBQ. But the only thing I have to say on this subject is this:
- If MBQ was not an invader then who was he? Just because he happened to be Muslim, does not change the fact that he invaded a foreign country. I don't see anything wrong with those invasions from Muslims because that was the norm of the day. So there is no need to be apologetic about it. And this is also true that the invasions from MBQ, Ghauri, Ghaznavi, etc. helped bring Islam in these areas.
Therefore from our point of view, those invasions were good.
But one thing is that we should stop giving religious connotations to those Muslim rulers. They were people just like us. And they were fighting not just non Muslims in India but also among themselves.
Some people also like to call Aurangzeb 'rehmatullah aleh'. Yes, he was a pious man. Like they say: **uss ne na kabhi koi namaaz chorri, na apne kisi bhai ko chorra!*
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- You are asking what we should do about Muslims who came to India during those times. I don't understand what it has to do with this discussion? Not all Muslims came in armies. Besides, migrations have been happening throughout the human history. No one can throw out people who came to a place hundreds of years ago. Because they have now become a part of that place.
Actually, EVERYONE in the world migrated to their present countries one point of time, because everyone came from Africa.
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- If MBQ was not an invader then who was he? Just because he happened to be Muslim, does not change the fact that he invaded a foreign country. I don't see anything wrong with those invasions from Muslims because that was the norm of the day. So there is no need to be apologetic about it. And this is also true that the invasions from MBQ, Ghauri, Ghaznavi, etc. helped bring Islam in these areas.
Therefore from our point of view, those invasions were good.
But one thing is that we should stop giving religious connotations to those Muslim rulers. They were people just like us. And they were fighting not just non Muslims in India but also among themselves.
Some people also like to call Aurangzeb 'rehmatullah aleh'. Yes, he was a pious man. Like they say:**uss ne na kabhi koi namaaz chorri, na apne kisi bhai ko chorra!* * - You are asking what we should do about Muslims who came to India during those times. I don't understand what it has to do with this discussion? Not all Muslims came in armies. There was a significant migration to India during that time. And such migrations have been happening throughout the human history. No one can throw out people who came to a place hundreds of years ago. Because they have now become a part of that place. Actually, EVERYONE in the world migrated to their present countries one point of time, because everyone came from Africa.
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^ Thanks.
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The purpose of this thread is discussing Paracha instead of MBQ. But the only thing I have to say on this subject is this:
and that is the exact reason i never got into the discussion but asked Paracha and his lovers a simple question but alas, they said everything else but didn't come to the point
There is simple lesson history taught us, weak diminishes and are replaced by the powerful forces.... now that weak can be Raja Dahir or Bahadur Shah Zafar.... now lets get back to my question...
and if nothing to be done to those, then why wasting time in discussing who was invader and who was not??? i like your comment of everyone coming out of Africa... it was hilarious
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Not all the conversion were forced, most of them were by choice:)
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dont necessarily agree with him. but I liked his last “Also Pakistan” article Also Pakistan
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Pakistan needs more leftists, and violent ones at that. Perhaps the only way to recapture the momentum from the clutches of violent right wings religious fanatics.
A Left leaning Pakistan is a better Pakistan. Consider me biased, but conservative right wing ideology is regressive and intolerant in any mold.
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NFP left wing jayala to the core...
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Pakistan needs more leftists, and violent ones at that. Perhaps the only way to recapture the momentum from the clutches of violent right wings religious fanatics.
A Left leaning Pakistan is a better Pakistan. Consider me biased, but conservative right wing ideology is regressive and intolerant in any mold.
That sounds more right wing than left wing.
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That sounds more right wing than left wing.
How so?
Leftists haven't been known for the passivity. The difference is, the Left wingers fight for an inclusive nation that respects all faiths and respects human rights and dignity.
The right wingers fight for some dogmatic ideology that is exclusive to their religious leaning and happily trounces over individual rights in their pursuit of a homogenous country stuck in fifth century ideology.
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and if nothing to be done to those, then why wasting time in discussing who was invader and who was not???
Who can throw Muslims out? Muslims have been here for hundreds of years, and have ceased to be foreigners because they mixed with locals. And today no one can tell apart a Hindu from a Muslim.
Does this givesome sense of security?
About why it should be done. Well, for TRUTH. For following the truth. And for removing lies which make commoners like us some holy figures when they were not.
Those Muslims were not villains. There were some good people among them and some bad ones. For example, I think MBQ was a good person.
But simply painting everyone as a saint just because they were Muslims is a lie.