Dear olive branch,
did muhammad ali jinnah say that? if yes, please quote.
Rather then arguing over whether pakistan was made for muslims only or whatever i thinnk we should think strong and hard how to save whats left of the pakistans image in the eyes of the world, and somehow pull the country out of the conflicts its been facing for the last fifty years and put an end to corruption .....
.....then only can we think about other stuff cause folks like it or not the country is going through hell being dragged in various directions by too many political leaders...........
Even if Pakistan was created as a muslim state, that does not mean that non-muslims should not feel part of that State. In fact it is the duty of the muslim state to protect it's minorities as happened in Islamic Spain when Jews were being persecuted in Europe. So non-muslims have every right to feel part of Pakistan.
practice islaam to serve ALLAH your creator as he has said in QURAN the only purpose to create insaan and jinn was to serve ALLAH ONLY. Be a good PAKISTANI ,no matter who you are muslim or non muslim.be patriotic to your home land [PAKISTAN]
jm
Jewels,
Quaid appointed a hindu as the treasurer?
I didn't know that. Where did you find that out?
salams n stuff,
Hey i m a good hindu today! does that mean i m not a pakistani ??????
I been a good Jew last week but hey i was pretty much pakistani :)
islam is islam and pakistan is pakistan
another thing :)
pakistan was made so that M.A.Jinah and all the other leaders could rule and also save themselves as landlords etc...
m.a.jinnah only wanted seperate state :)and Mr Tunn (allama iqbal) had One too many hickup one day :) He just dreamed of a seperate state in which he will have all the sharab he needs and other stuff :)
it was just other ppl who took his thinking to be something else and made him an icon.
i guess pakistan was made after all.
BUT as soon it was made and all those ppl who got wot they wanted they started spliting it up speacially my SHOUT to all those bengali ppl :)
and also to those sindhi and punjabi ppl who since the start bored holes into pakistan just so that they can make money.
pakhtoon ppl never had no time for foolish nationlist stuff :)they wer always happy on thier own matters.
baluchi ppl never had time apart from robbery n all :)
in the end all those ppl who call themselves mohajir.. niggas u r the most prejuice ppl i ever seen. if u cant speak no regional lingo it doesnt mean u goto stat makin fun of it. thats y u got cut off from all the rest thanks to ya coward peer.
well hey send all flames to moi!
w-salams n stuff,
Jai Peeri
The topic always seemed to vacillate between religion and politic. Which is why I had a difficult time asking for it to be redirected. If anywhere….it could also go to society and culture. I however, decided to leave it…mostly because of the varying responses.
I do want to say one thing. please keep in mind that it the discussion should not be based on religion or i politics but a cultural and historical perspective about Pakistani nationalism and identity.
Peersimms ji
BRILLIANT CONCEPT :):):):):):):):)
*PeerSIMMS *
Mujhe nahin maloom ke aap kon ho ya kya ho, but jin logon ka aap ne itni sorry to say behoodagi se ziker kiya hai (Jinnah and Iqbal) woh hamare bazurg hain and hamara wirsa! Tanqeed kerne aur simple behoodagi meiN ferk hona chahiye.
Yes PeerSIMMS, please do not insult those who you have little knowledge of.
You should learn about Jinnah and Iqbal sahab before you draw any conclusions about their characteristics and objectives.
[This message has been edited by Hasnain (edited June 03, 1999).]
Salams n stuff,
Well let me say this first .
Sach kerwa hota hay!
I know you guys have just read books about allama iqbal and M.A.Jinnah which have been written in pakistan only.
I guess none have read about these ppl through eyes of a normal third party person. I never said they wer bad or insulted them (that much :)) just spoke the truth.
Its the same thing as some being " sharabi kababi" is not considered a nice person.
then why r u callin allam iqbal a nice person
according to him he was ' Tunn as he could be" and most poets believe in " Sharab and Shahbaab :)
So either stop callin sharabi ppl bad or stop callin him good :) and yeah GOOD ideas always come to ya mind when u r tunn.. :)
PPl u goto stop reading tose bias books on pakistan and islam.
Do some research and read some other books and PhalEz dont start reading and saying tobah tobah :)
now i got a question If allama iqbal could be hazret and stuff then can i call Pink Floyd as" Sir Peer Hazret Pink Floyd Rahmet allah allayhay" ? :)
w-salams n stuff,
Jai Peeri.
Peer simms ji
lol :):)
PeerSIMMS
Let me say this...Sach ho TO kaRwa lagta hai
Aap kisi saboot ke saath baat karein Jiinah ke bare meiN..reh gai baat Allama Iqbal ki..to jo unhooN ne hamare liye kiya..aik khawaab..and bohut si khoobsoorat poetry. Ham us ki bin'a pe un ki izat kerte haiN, na ke un ki personal life kaisi thi etc. meiN jhak marte haiN.
Is liye aap ko sirf itna kaha tha ke tameez se baat kijiye hamare bazurgooN ke bare meiN. Aap apna point doosare alfaaz meiN bhi ham tak pohancha saqte haiN.
Waise aap ka point kya hai??
Kya aap Pakistan ko mistake keh rahe haiN??
Ya phir wooNhi dil ka bhoj halka ker rahe haiN??
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PPl u goto stop reading tose bias books on pakistan and islam.
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hmmm kya baat hai...aur is baat ki kya garantee ke koi aur hamare bare mein sach hi likhe ga??? Balke koi hamare bare meiN sach kion likhe ga???? Aur hamari apni books meiN kya burai hai, aisi kon si history ki book written by Pakistanis paRh li hai aap ne jo galat info de rahi hai??
W'Salaam
Saba
salams n stuff,
and Adaab Saba BiBi,
Sach ager apnay khiyal k ulat ho toe bura he nahin acha khasa karwa lagta hay.
logon ko karway sach k ghoont peeyey nahin jatay or is liyey woh khiyali concepts per takiya kiya kertey hain.
Meri purani guftago ka ma'nay yeah thay kah jo bhi m.a.Jinnah or allma iqbal ney kiya woh durast hey Per us k peechay kiya asal baat thi woh buss pasay manzir per la raha tha.
Allam iqbal nay ager khuwab deikha pakistan k wajood ka! Per jis terha logon nay us ko kissi Wahi k baraber samjh liya hey woh aik ghalat baat hay.
Hazret-e-Hitler ko bhi duniya fataf kernay ka khaab aaya tha. :)
Aur aap k baat kah un ki shairi ney muslmanoh ki ankhain or zahin kholay. woh aik terha durast hay. Per ager aap 'Shika' perhain toe us ko perh ker muslmanon ko bari kushi howi thi.
Itni see baat hay. 'Loogh','Awaam' jis ko chahain khara kerdain jis ko chahain zameen main gaarh dain.
Q'kay allama iqbal ka khiyal bohet loogn k mufaad main tha is liyey un ko Hazre-e-Allama bana diya :)or bichara Hazret-e-Gandhi jo sirif United India chahta tha us ko zaleel ker diya.
Jahan talak baat Pakistan ki hay. Aik musalman k hadh tak bulkul Durast bana! Per jahan tak baat Chaudhry system ki hay woh bilkul ghalat hey. Ager itna hi pakistan say mohabet hey toe End the chaudhry system like its ended in India.
Chaudhry k mazaroonh(workers) or slaves main kuch ziyada faraq nahin sirif aik Manay k do alfaaz hain.
Rahi Baat Islam and pakistan ki :) Pakistan or Islam waysay hi hain jaysay 'MUllah ki badmashi masjid main'
aaj kal yeah haal hay kah ager aik Mujram(sorry pakistan has no concept for Mulzim) FED court say barri ho chalay toe us ko Shariyet court ghair layta hay.
Ajji ungliyan kahan kahan tak or kis kis per uthain :)
Now.. Baat howi thi Kitabon per :)
well aik added misaal dayta hoong aap ko
Pak India wars. According to our books
India fired the first shot and pakistan defended :)
The truth is Pakistan started the war and india retaliated. But being nice pakistanis we just defended eh ? :)
Dosri misaal Un jawanon k baray main hay jin k baray main kaha jata hay k Unhoonh nay apnay paith per bomb bandh ker tank k neechay ghoss chalay :)Now if that was true there would be a 100 nishan-e-haider for them :)
Yeah baat toe aap ko manni paray gi k pakistani choorney main #1 hain :)
Pakistan, Islam and Politics is a dangerous mix for pakistanis :)Nobody follows all but they all follow seperate thing. one will follow pakistani ideology second will run after islam and the thrid person will be the best as he will play the politics :)
Us ko chorain pakistani toe chorney main itnay achay hain kah woh toe abb peeri kam peeri Nabowat ka dawa tak ker chalain hain :)
i guess i wrote a lot :)
aaj k liyey itni dose kafi hey
w-salams
Jai Peeri.
Salaam
*PeerSIMMS *
Hmmm lets see..
Yoon to mere paas aap ki baatooN ke hazarooN jawab mojood haiN :)lekin mere khayaal meiN aap meri baat ya to samajh nahiN rahe ya phir samajhna nahin chahte what ever
Jahan tak baat Chaudhry system aur yeh ke ham jisi chahein aasmaan per aur jisi chahein patal meiN utaar dete haiN to yahaN meiN aik khad tek mutafik hooN :)
Baqi baat history ki to jee yeh to bohut choti choti baatein haiN kabhi baRe baRe mumalik meiN bathe hue baRe baRe logoN ki likhi hui oooops's pe bhi gor ker liya kijiye :)
khud pe tanqeed achi baat hai, is se apni galtiyooN ki nishaan dahi hoti hai, lekin yeh tab kerna chahiye jab is ke khilaf kuch kerna ka hosla bhi ho...khokhali baatooN se dunya fateh nahin ke jaati :)
btw. Army ki news aisi hi hotein haiN, is liye aap ki baat peR kke mujhe hairat nahiN hui :) Kis ne pehle kya kiya agsar raaz hi rehta hai.
Nishan-e-haider to jee an-ginat jawaan mustahik haiN is ke, magar i-m sure ke jo rutba allah swt ne unhein diya hai, us ke ba'd unheiN kisi xyz nishan ki hajit nahiN ho gi :)
Iqbal ko hazrat bana diya hmmm hazart ka matlab to maloom hi hoga na :)you see andhere mein thoRi si roshni bhi dikhai de to sab usi taraf dekhte haiN..ya nahiN?? btw. Iqbal ka khawaab ham sab ke mafaad meiN tha
Ghandi ko kis ne zaleel kiya?? hain yani khad ho gai hai, un se mutafiq hona na hona alag baat hai, aur unhein zaleel kerna alag.
Apna maqsad pane ke liye jo un ke bas meiN tha unhooN ne kiya - aur hamara maqsad poora hone ke liye zaroori acts ham ne kiye..
Mere khayaal meiN meiN fazool behes ker rahi hooN, aap se itna hi kaha tha ke BarugooN ke bare meiN baat zara tameez se kijiye, fazool meiN kisi ko hurt kerne ka faidah?
MaiN ne kisi se suna tha ke agar ham khud apni cheezooN ki qard nahiNkerein ge to kisi ko kya paRi hai, ke fazool waqt barbad kare
Aur agar woh log galat the to aaj jee hamari bari hai na...to dekhte haiN ke ham aur aap kitne paani meiN haiN :)Kal ko hamare dor ko kaise yaad kiya jae ga??
Agar hamare baRooN se galatiyaaN hui haiN to ham saNwaar saqte haiN ya sirf taqreereiN hi jhaRsaqte haiN :)
W'Salaam
Saba
dear fanatic,
yes, jinnah did appoint a hindu as a treasure. such is a known fact. i dont rest on what people tell me. i read books. some history has been murdered, some cant be. its there. its true. it is.
Dear sabah,
seeing you engaged in such a discussion with peersimms is just as to see the president asking for a lollypop on a barber shop. i thought we all knew peersimms. if you're nourishing the notion that he will apologize for * bayhoodgi * then you're in serious error. some * bayhoodgis * have to be ignored. thats what they deserve.
the flowers that you smell, stay fresh for approximately a day..... keep my words besides your pillow! they're evergrean! words of a goof in the world of intellectuals! my sow my words into your heart, and they'll grow into a tree, with roots firm, and branches green, giving sweet fruit in every season of life, by the leave of the lord.