Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?

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Re: Do You Have the Entrance Fee for Paradise?

@StirCrasy

And I have shown you repeatedly that the quran is not accepted the law in any country including Pakistan. You claim it is law but nobody else.

Qur’anic law is a premise for laws in Muslim states: please read and appeal to truth and reason rather than argumentation.

The Basic Laws of Saudi Arabia

http://www.ljcp.gov.pk/Menu%20Items/Statistics/0-judicial%20hierarchy.htm

As for Pakistan see that there are Shariah bodies integrated into the judicial structure.

@StirCrasy

…in the past. Good. Obviously it was tried and superseded. It doesn’t work for modern civilizations and economies.

This is not a qualified statement, because Shari’ah (complete) has never been applied today you cannot argue that it doesn’t work for today.

@StirCrasy

Now you are contradicting yourself all over the map! You admitted in earlier paragraph that "Islamic states in the past has established their laws according to the laws defined for a country in the Qur’an"; and since not even islamic states follow quran as law now, it is a straight forward case of people having tried and given up.

A state methodology will work so long as people are running it the way it should be run. Islam only requires one thing as a prerequisite to running Shari’ah correctly. That is ‘for the sake of Allah’; when intentions become smeared then the prerequisites are compromised and the system will be changed to suit the need of people who are in control. Verily, every effective democracy in the world is in fact hegemony where true rulers are never seen in the public view for criticism and ministers (perceived rulers - mouthpieces) are subject to change and this rotation appeases the masses making them believe that true democracy exists. The reason why democracy fails in other countries is because unwittingly they put persons of power in the limelight. False democracy - capitalistic hegemony is the current world regime and it is successful because those on the top are fulfilling their requirements of the main principle of capitalism which is strive to gain at all costs. So this successful system is at the same time a very unethical one. It therefore cannot be used as an argument to suggest VALIDITY. Rather than finding a system that suits us, we should bring changes to ourselves to suit the best ideology and practical system.

@StirCrasy

too late for you to change what you said. Similar thing happened to a Mr.Kumbakarna too but that’s a different story

I’ll ignore this remark.

@StirCrasy

let’s see. You said Quran is the law. I showed you that even muslim nations don’t accept that. What is hasty about that?

The law has two aspects, one is legal the other is ethical. Most Islamic laws and systems are adopted and used in the world, especially Western countries. Social Security is one such system, there are many more. Every Muslim has to operate in accordance with the moral ethical law of Islam. So the point you are trying to make is a mute one.

@StirCrasy

Oh don’t worry - I will be patient and engage you as much as you can handle.

No that is not what anyone wants. Rather some sort of truthful debate is required.