Do you ever wonder, where God is? God, no God, or Correct God (merged)

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I am not forced to behave in any way. I just asked simple questions. Taste my own medicine?....again giving an impression of others being the culprit and u being the victim. If it is too much to bear for u, then i wont ask anything.

and no please, not any more threads. if u want u do, do it, but i will not participate. i have no time. Let me tell, these are all simple questions, u feel bad about it. when u do in front of others, questioning or pointing contradictions in their beliefs, then how should they feel?....which i doubt u will think about it.

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Peace be upon you all,

2:116 - To Allah belongs the East and the West: so withersoever you turn, there will be the face of Allah. Surely Allah is Bountiful, All Knowing.

6:104 - Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.

50:17 - And assuredly, We have created man and We know what his mind whispers, and We are nearer to him than even his jugular vein.

2:256 - Allah - there is no god save Him, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that dare intercede with Him save by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His Throne extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them wearies Him not; and He is the High, the Great.

[20:6] He is the Gracious God Who has settled Himself firmly on the throne.

[20:7] To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth, and whatsoever is between them, and whatsoever is beneath the moist sub-soil.

[20:8] And if thou speakest aloud, He hears it and also if thou speakest in a low voice, For He knows the secret thoughts of man and what is yet more hidden.

[24:36] Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth. His light is as if there were a lustrous niche, wherein is a lamp. The lamp is inside a glass-globe. The globe is, as it were, a glittering star. The lamp is lit from the oil of a blessed tree -an olive - neither of the East nor of the West, whose oil well-nigh would shine forth even though fire touched it not. Light upon light! Allah guides to His light whomsoever He pleases. And Allah sets forth parables for men, and Allah knows all things full well.

[24:37] This light illumines houses with regard to which Allah has ordained that they be exalted and that His name be remembered in them. Therein do glorify Him in the mornings and the evenings.

"God is the light of the heavens and the earth. Every light that is visible on the heights or in the valleys, whether in souls or in bodies, whether personal or impersonal, whether apparent or hidden, whether in the mind or outside it, is a bounty of His grace. This is an indication that the general grace of the Lord of the worlds envelopes everything and nothing is deprived of that grace. He is the source of all grace and is the ultimate cause of all lights and is the fountain-head of all mercies. His Being is the support of the universe and is the refuge of all high and low. He it is who brought everything out of the darkness of nothingness and bestowed upon everything the mantle of being. No other being than Him is in himself present and eternal or is not the recipient of His grace. Earth and heaven, man and animals, stones and trees, souls and bodies, have all come into existence by His grace.

The God of Islam is the same God who is visible in the mirror of the law of nature and is discernible in the book of nature. Islam has not presented a new God but has presented the same God Who is presented by the light of man's heart, by the conscience of man, and by heaven and earth

The Being of God is hidden upon hidden and beyond of beyond and is most secret and cannot be discovered by the power of human reasoning alone, and no argument can prove it conclusively; inasmuch as reason can travel only so far that contemplating the universe it feels the need of a Creator. But the feeling of a need is one thing and it is quite another to arrive at the certainty that the God Whose need has been felt does in fact exist. As the operation of reason is defective, incomplete and doubtful, a philosopher cannot recognize God purely through reason. Most people who try to determine the existence of God Almighty purely through the exercise of reason, in the end become atheists. Reflecting over the creation of the heavens and the earth does not avail them much and they begin to deride and laugh at the men of God. One of their arguments is that there are thousands of things in the world which have no use and the fashioning of which does not indicate the existence of a fashioner. They exist merely as vain and useless things. These people do not seem to realize that lack of knowledge of something does not necessarily negative its existence. There are millions of people in the world who regard themselves as very wise philosophers and who utterly deny the existence of God. It is obvious that if they had discovered a strong reason for the existence of God, they would not have denied it. If they had discovered a conclusive argument in support of the existence God, they would not have rejected it shamelessly and in derision. It is obvious, therefore, that no one boarding the ark the philosophers can find deliverance from the storm of doubts, but is bound to be drowned, and such a one would ever have access to the drinking of pure Unity. It is a false and stinking notion that belief in the Unity of God can be achieved otherwise than through the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, nor can man achieve salvation without it. How can there be a faith in the Unity of God unless there is perfect certainty with regard to His existence? Be sure, therefore, that belief in the Unity of God can be achieved only through a Prophet, as our Holy Prophet, peace be on him, convinced the atheists and pagans of Arabia of the existence of God Almighty by showing them thousands of heavenly signs. Up till today the true and perfect followers of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, present those signs to the atheists. The truth is that till a person observes the living powers of the living God, Satan does not depart from his heart, nor does true Unity enter into it, nor can he believe with certainty in the existence of God. This holy and perfect Unity is appreciated only through the Holy Prophet, peace be on him"

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even i am thinking about it. where is god?. and sure…same and worse eternal hell must befall on all those murderers

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ameen

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Well, you have taken me personally btw in this thread i havent written that Allaah sits, nor I have written about any attributes to Allaah.
I have written clearly that Allaah ascends thats Istawa and descends I never told he sits btw.
For us seeing, hearing is only throuh eyes or ears. this is mentioned in the Quran, but when Allaah sees and hears can we attribute our features no. Coz i dont know the featrues of Allaah. You shuld remember, this to understand whats eyes and ears the knowledge about this was given to us by Allaah. Allaah encompasses all knowledge. I dont have knowlegde and have never attributed, which is not there in the Quran to Allaah. Please check my posts.
Regarding the part in bold, why should i feel bad ssingh, I am sorry but, you cant generalize what you observe, I never feel bad. I do tell others wrong, when they contradict the Quran and Sunnah. Rest all is left to Allaah. Btw, when you wrote in this thread regarding Allaah is not everywhere, I infact praised you for telling the truth about Allaah. Now if i were there with the false hood, i would have infact posted you are wrong, when my own Muslims brothers and sister have written Allaah is everywhere, you contradicted that believe, and i agree with your post and infact i have mentioned Alhamdullillaah, Praise be to God. I just added, exactly where Allaah is.
Let people think what I am, my success is with Allaah, i believe in Allaah, and my return is to him is with repentance.
Its after that, you started pointing your fingers on, me what i meant by i wont answer is, not in this thread i did mention its a huge topic.
Shirk= Is something which you rever or worship, in terms of harm or benefit other than Allaah.
Because in truth there is one God, the creator of this universe, omnipotent.
Though i dont deny they are others gods that are worshipped, but fact is there is one True God. I humbly bow to this God, for benefit and harm in my life that is i submit, myself to Allaah.

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correction....i didn't say this anywhere. I just questioned one of yours who was not talking from islamic perspective which says god is not everywhere. then the real question is where is he?....u dont have to answer this now

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out of topic, but still....since allah is everywhere according to u, allah is sun, moon,earth, there witin u,within me etc etc. aren't u commiting shirk by saying this. isn't according to islam, everything 'belongs' to god and not god is everywhere?.
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I just answered to this reply, coz you understood the essence of where is Allaah from Islamic perspective.
Please bury the hatchet ssingh, why are u so irritated.

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yes ...u are right. I know islamic perspective very well and u were the one who said that i dont know the meaning of shirk. and please what hatchet?, when u can open a thread about "concept of god" and discuss, why cant i discuss it over here. again creating the impression of others as culprit and u are the victim.

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Filthy swines.

Like they say in Urdu “Allah ke ghar der hai, andher naheen” (the vengeance of God may take time, but surely it will come), soon they will reap the karma of their deeds, Insha Allah.

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Get over it ssingh, you know the way ur shouting here seems like you are irritated and your still behind the concept of God, coz you dont have any replies to my answers in that thread. Now you come back and start bickering with me.

I opened a new thread concept of God and challenged you all openly, if i were a victim i would be hiding meekly like you. But i will come out with the truth, you think i will be a sissy cat like you.

What Islamic perspective we have Islamic scholars have written volumes of books regarding shirk, and you understood withing no time. To you a muslim commits shirk alone, and not hindus. This is the basic tenet of iman for the muslims.

Allaah can forget anything, but not the one who commits shirk. So as you understood it is only bounded to muslims, please erase this misconception in your mind. Instead deeply embed this concept of shirk is for both Muslims as well as Non-Muslims.

Regarding, Allaah ascends over the throne, I did not wont to argue with you please go read my second post, I did not wont to argue at all I infact posed the question to my Muslim brothers and sister. You took it personally, so much for an insular mind like you.

Now why I would I argue with you when your not capable enough to argue on this particular topic, you either keep quiet and listen to it and learn. Otherwise if you wanna debate first yearn to get the knowledge of shirk , instead of declaring others as shirk.

When you passed those comments infact thrice yo_wasim, is committing shirk. Believe me i could not stop laughing coz i could imagine a 5 year old kid, behaving like you.

Infact you are being victimised, thats one reason you are showing it out all here. When infact i am with the truth, why should I be scared. Now go ahead and start the thread if you have guts in your buts. Let us again start with concept of God. Unlike other thread, instead of answering to my questions you did not wont to go round the bush. You first answer to my questions right in that thread.

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Firaun could not escape the wrath of Allaah, that time and inshallaah the same will happen to the Firaun of this age also.

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Ok...now ego of being under some superiority complex of a matured guy and saying that i am a 5 year old kid. If i am a 5 year old kid, why did u ask ur brothers and sisters to answer my query?. anyway....i made a point not to answer in post # 26 because i knew it will go further. I lost and u won as meaning of shirk is something like quantum physics or theory of relativity to understand. dont talk about stuff like guts in buts . This language will not have any effect

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ssingh same as #26, the second post in my thread, i requested i wont be answering any more on this thread. Later you forced me to answer. Since you were writing without any knowledge i had to just poke my nose into your matter, and you say yo_wasim is under trepidation.

*By the way, its not about language buddy, its about truth. Its not about losing and winning its about truth and falsehood. *
*If i gain or lose here, or its the vice versa its not affecting either of us. Finally again its about truth. *

Why should i have superior complex, get over it ssingh, you arguments are baseless go read it yourself what you have posted in this particular thread. That yo_wasim, is committing shirk you went on to say i will be burnt in hell. Now, do you expect that i will be persuaded with your divine words and start of like one unqualified squabble.
Anyways i repeat again, i respect you as a person, and you think otherwise.

I repeat again the first post in this thread, i supported your point of view, though you are a non-muslim, if i wanted to support falsehood, i would have repudiated you. But again its left to you if you take my generosity to being victimised, its your perception sir.
Allaah knows the best.

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ok...i shouldn't have mentioned ur name. It looked as though i was getting personal. sorry for sending wrong signals even though my intention was not so.

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I take your word. Anyways take care.

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Allah is on holidays and will be back after 5 thousand years. In the meantime Satan is in-charge of the Operations. Since all of the religions have serious issues with Satan, it`s highly unlikely that religions can survive untill God comes back, if God(s) comes back at all. So I feel sorry for those who believe in God(s).

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i want to believe u but is this some kind of superiority problem with u for not believing in god?. i know this god/religion has caused much problem than help. I came to this forum ‘somewhat’ like this only(but believed in god). But yes.. untill god comes, forget religions, doubt whether people would be there.:clown:

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There you go, don`t know if living beings would be here to welcome God back… So my point is, if God is away having fun in some unreachable place and let humans kill each other in HIS name and not doing anything about it, then I think there is no point in even worrying about God. If God has created Satan to do evil to the mankind then I would say Bush may be is the God. what difference does it make as to where is the God, God has done His job and on top of that God instilled the concept of Satan in human mind so that all the Evil can be blamed on the Satan. What a double standard…

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oh my…u seem to have taken my post seriously:blush:

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No No I am just mucking around… But I want to say that
Only refusal to accept facts and determination to believe a lie would keep a knowledgeable person in the clutches of Religion.