Asalam-0-Alikum
i have a question
do we people of Pakistan really needs politics
what politics have given to us
any good thing, plz mention
in my point of view , politics is only dividing us in different groups and nothing else
instead of being united we keep fighting with others on zero background
we have a habbit of shaksiat parasti and we vote for only one person no matter how bad he /she is
what’s your opinion
Re: do we really need politics
I am fine with kingdom, dictatorship and what-not-ship as long as justice is served to all equally, as long as people are not suppressed/extra-judicial-killing/no-innocents-killed, people can do business, there is no discrimination, there is no VIP class etc.
Politics can do you good, if you can keep checks and balances, if you let justice system be independent, if you enforce the rules etc.
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usman
politics are good, but Pakistanis need to have more proactive, responsible, organized and real results oriented in their politics. I mean the public at large here not the politicians although this holds true for them as well.
The drawing room debates and this constant yip yap on politics which is all talk becomes this annoying backdrop of noise that we can do without. How many times have you seen it on GS, or at some party, ppl sart talking on politics, thngs get ugly, people get upset, faces turning red. At the end of the day,w hat did that accomplish? zero, zilch, nada... but its easy right, shows ppl that one is an aware type of person.
people need to do more talking through their work and efforts than their lips.
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Politics is really having a view and elections only work if people use the vote to elect those who have ability to reflect societies needs AND ability to implement them.
It's interesting though...because in an Islamic perspective politics exists currently in a limited way, and where it does (and where it doesn't) the majority's needs are ignored. In this case muslims feel privileged to say they do not feel respomsible for the state of the society... but still justify hating non-muslim nations en masse because THEY are as guilty as the 'governments' ruling them. Yet that is clearly one set of rights and entitlement for oneself and denies others that same set of rights and entitlement. Isn't that rather hypocritical and limited?
Just a lateral explorative thought...
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100% agreed
but keep check and balances is not the part of todays politics
am i write or wrong
because in my opinion , these are always the politicions who destroy merit , checks and balances for their benefits
whats your views
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because in my opinion , these are always the politicions who destroy merit , checks and balances for their benefits
whats your views
Thats why I am suggesting that there need to be a separate entity which can enforce the check and balance, army shouldn't be taking over every other 3 years for a period of 10 years. The very first step is judiciary independence from government, the next step would be freeing up local law enforcement agencies (police, traffic police) from government influence then you will see the fruits of justice which can straighten up dog's tail (j/k).
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Big problem is that if someone tries to buildup a platform to oppose politicians they are considered as 'enemy' and if you don't have political backing then you are doomed to oblivion. Thats why, in my opinion independent justice system is the real first step towards law and order. Once law and order is established then people will feel secure and pull politician's/govt's leg for not fulfilling promises. Until then, everybody is scared of being victmized/harassed/killed.
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NO NO NO so long there is some fcuking peace and quite… Two fundamental requirements for peace and quite are, first, is rape of amreeka to keep the terrorist out and second, kill all fundos regardless of their race religion or color. There you have it lot of peace and quite with or without politics.
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But how would you put an independant justice system together in the first place?
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What has judicial system got to do with politics? So long its not influenced
by any one.
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:( What is the difference between that 'fundo' terrorist idea and what is already out there? Isn't that really just a mass genocide..or does your fundo idea deserve more of a deeper appreciation because it wipes out other extremes and put you then in an unique position?????
Just wondering...
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Politicians would presumably be accountable to the independant judicial system and therefore have parameters and consequences for 'overstepping them'. I presume!
N.B. A paradox occurs when you have no problem with 'Dictatorship' ... the reality is that it is based on division and preserving the 'entitlement' of a privileged few, its existence is not based on justice...if it was it wouldn't be called a 'dictatorship' in the first place.
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Could you elaborate on “fundo terrorist idea versus and what is already out there”. If I understand you right thats why I said regardless of race religion or color so that includes you and me if we meet the criteria..
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agreed, so the usual bakbak in living rooms and valimas across the nation is not accomplishing squat. ppl in Us talk about football and baseball, people there talk about politics, kashmir, palestine and america.
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acha Abdali,
1.who decides who is and who is not a 'fundo'?
2.presumably the opinion of the masses would decide?
look to nazi war time Germany....genocide etc....
who would carry out the slaughter?
for being so 'extreme' as 'fundo' cleansing, erm, who would then deal with those hate filled 'fundos'?
a 'fundo' is simply some-one with views and beliefs that are precious to them.
perhaps it would be kinder to simply 'lobotomise' at birth????
and for the rest of us who think and feel regular electro convulsive therapy so we forget exactly what it is that is so precious to us????
gee ha? :-) seriously not serious at all... but you do see the problem I hope!
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Well yes and no. Yes, because it doesn't serve any "national" purpose other than may be someone getting bit of more info/educated on some issues. No, because it does serve human behavioral/psychological purpose, if we don't vent out our frustration/anger at a particular issue it might result in bad impact on our mental health (in turn resulting in bad physical health). However, in such drawing room debates no one should get physical :D.
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ppl in Us talk about football and baseball, people there talk about politics, kashmir, palestine and america.
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I don't think that is good enough generalization. People in US also talk about politics, issues at hand, not so sure about international issues :D. BTW, Pakistani drawing room talks also include sports and religious talks :)
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That is a problem, currently and historicall judiciary doles out justice favoring the government, local politicians, that "favor" is not just to get some big award/land/contract rather it is controlled from the govt offices/local politicians danda.
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Actions my friend actions, a good example would be, when a Sunni kills a Shiitia or vice versa.
There is a large what they say silent majority, very silent.
No no, we don’t need to go to Germany, closer to home would be much better.
Santa Claus.
I don’t see any reason to deal with fundos especially after a good cleansing ala Shri Kamal Ata Turk.
That is beside the point, so long a fundo who is hell bent on eliminating opposing views with violence.
Not a bad idea had we practiced lobotomization we would not had shiitias sunnis killing each other today but then is one born fundo or becomes one?
Muscular contractions can be good if it is done at the right place at the right time.
Oh I see lots of problems and cures hand in hand the question is how proportional are they. 
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I dont think that the way our discussions are handled help educate people much, its too polarized to have a sensible discussion most of the time. and venting is fine, but venting ad nauseum.?? there are certain people i avoid at events because I know exactly what they would say and then i would be hijacked from enjoying the evening. I dont even smoke anymore that I can excuse myself for a smoking break and run out.
I think its the percentage of time allocated to politics that is . People would bring something up, say a few things and be over it, move on to a diff topic. In desi circles it can get quite in depth. heh our sports talk also gets into politics pretty quickly, and religion, well u know how that goes in many cases.
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Thats why the author of this thread is questioning politics.