do we hate the west?

Why we hate the west?

And there life for you in Al-Qisâs, O men of understanding, that you may become Al-Muttaqûn. (Al-Baqarah 2:179) 

Verily the word of Allah, SWT is true and if nothing else was revealed to Rasuul of Allah SWT, Muhammad PBUH but this verse, it would be enough to cut the tongues of the westerners and the passive Muslims who call the law of Allah, SWT harsh.
And how is it that they ignorant will learn from this verse? They will say this verse is contradictory because Qisas calls for life for life and equal punishment for crime so how can there be “life” for us. But verily Quran is not to be understood by the one in whose heart is the deadly disease of hypocrisy, and Allah, SWT says…
In their hearts is a disease and Allâh has increased their disease. A painful torment is theirs because they used to tell lies. (Al-Baqarah 2:10)
We shall examine what is meant in the verse in the beginning we just cited, insh’Allah.
The west and so called “democratic” and civilized laws that are being touted as “humane” laws and are being implemented in the world of today make a mockery of laws of Allah, SWT and are thus indeed injustice and kufr.
Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgment to the Tâghût, while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaitân wishes to lead them far astray. (An-Nisa 4:60)
The laws of the west can differ in some contexts such as how European laws do not allow capital punishment, while American laws do allow that punishment, but it does not change the fact that the law of Allah, SWT is being overruled by something that is kufr and true Muslims can never accept that, until the law of Allah, SWT takes power over the law of kufr and destroys the root of the kufr, insh’Allah.
Europeans show the most disrespect for the way Allah, SWT has designed law of Justice. For they think that death penalty is “cruel and inhumane” while thinking nothing of how the victim felt when he was being killed unjustly? There was the case of the man who advertised for a “well built man” who was ready to be “eaten”. And a man answered his call. Verily the kufr supports kufr and kafirs answer to call of kafirs. And what was the punishment for the man who ate another man and devoured him openly claiming that it was a “great experience”? Just few years of jail time . For this crime we hope that the judges and the system that offers these kind of penalties for such horrible crimes be cursed by Allah, SWT and no one should feel sorry when the punishment from Allah, SWT comes for such unspeakable crimes against the law of Allah SWT. Verily even Stalin, who killed tens of millions of people, including millions of our beloved Chechen brothers and sisters, would get only “life” sentence, while his sentences caused death for so many. It is ironic that the murderer is awarded “life” while he took life. So the western penal code praises the act of killing by rewarding the killer with “life". But it is to be understood as an open rebellion against Allah SWT because Allah SWT says that
And We ordained therein for them: “life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal.” But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allâh has revealed, such are the Zâlimûn (Al-Ma’idah 5:45)
This particular case can be overlooked because the one murdered was also kafir who wanted to be eaten. Verily the Islamic government would send him to a mental hospital instead of allowing him to consent to his own death and allowing another person to eat him. But we cannot help the one who wants to reach hell running. For the Prophet of Allah SWT, Mohammad PBUH has said that
“My example and the example of the people is that of a man who made a fire, and when it lighted what was around it, Moths and other insects started falling into the fire. The man tried (his best) to prevent them, (from falling in the fire) but they overpowered him and rushed into the fire. The Prophet added: Now, similarly, I take hold of the knots at your waist (belts) to prevent you from falling into the Fire, but you insist on falling into it.”
Volume 8, Book 76, Number 490
But other crimes that happen in the west happen to people who do not want to be victimized and those crimes are far more common and another case has been bought to the notice of the public.
It was the case of a girl being kidnapped by a man and being found dead a weak later. The girl was 11 years of age only. What was different for this crime was that the kidnapping was captured on video tape and provided the kufr television channels an opportunity to gain profit from showing the tape and that is the only reason otherwise these crimes happen far too often and no one cares a bit for them. When I think about that crime, my heart cries, because how the western system is brutalizing the people of the west and due to that the children suffer what they do not deserve. For the Rasull of Allah SWT Mohammad SAW said that
Every child is born with a true faith but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 440
Even if the murderer gets death penalty, it will be secluded and no one but the police or lawyers will get to witness it. While the law of Allah SWT calls for the people of witness the punishment so that they may learn a lesson and to kill the desires among any one of the witnesses to commit such crimes in the future
The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (An-Nur 24:2)
(This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh’s Law)
The west says that public executions are barbaric and are like “Gladiator games” held in Roman times. But how it is that they can compare pagan kufr festivals designed to cater to the foolish desires of the kufr public to the beautiful implementation of Allah SWT’s laws? Their lies are so slanderous that the heavens can fall on earth, and verily Allah SWT says that
And what think those who invent lies against Allâh, on the Day of Resurrection? Truly, Allâh is full of Bounty to mankind, but most of them are ungrateful. (Yunus 10:60)
For it is through making the criminal’s fate an example for others to learn from that the crime can be eliminated. If a man has a disease in his heart and a desire to commit murder, when he sees the beheading of another murderer, he will avoid committing the evil he had in his mind because he will want to avoid the same fate as that of the executed person.
The kufr legal system thinks that it is a better judge than Allah SWT,
And if there is a party of you who believes in that with which I have been sent and a party who do not believe, so be patient until Allâh judges between us, and He is the Best of judges." (Al-A’raf 7:87)
It tries to “punish” for the crime that has been committed. While Allah SWT had made the legal system of Islam to mainly try to prevent future crimes. Because all matters will finally be returned to Allah SWT for final justice, so Islamic law basically wants to prevent the crimes and that is why the punishments are to be held publicly, so people may take heed. The punishment is from Allah alone and truly only He can punish for we do not know of any other severe punishment than execution, and after that our powers are limited. But Allah’s punishment is not hindered by death rather; death will seem a luxury for those being punished.
So when lacking in intelligence but abundant in power among the west state that the true Muslims hate “us”, we can only laugh at them. For if we truly “hated” them, we would have liked them to implement their man made laws that allow murderers to go unpunished, that allow the children to be molested, that allow open sin and rebellion against Allah SWT and that way invite scourge from Allah SWT so severe that their entire area would have been destroyed. But verily we only hate their un-Islamic ways. And by wishing the true Islamic laws to be implemented, we wish for their betterment because it is only through implementing Allah SWT’s laws that Allah’s pleasure can be achieved and that is a great achievement indeed.
He will direct you to do righteous good deeds and will forgive you your sins. And whosoever obeys Allâh and His Messenger (SAW) he has indeed achieved a great achievement. (Al-Ahzab 33:71)

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Crime is everywhere, the west certainly doesn't hold a patent on it, and I worry far more about my daughters being molested in Pakistan than I do here is in the US, where they can go outside and play without fear of abduction.

I don't see authentic shariah law being implemented much of anywhere these days, and all laws were implemented to prevent crime, whether they be the laws of Allah (swt) or the laws of man.

This is another one of those stupid "us versus them" threads, enough already .

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What a hateful, ignorant post wrapped in the guise of righteousness.

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Such a naive article. Why would non-Muslims implement Islamic laws (or anything similar) when the Muslim countries themselves don’t do it?

No doubt Allah’s :swt: laws are perfect and man-made laws are bound to be flawed, but it is us who need to adopt them, not the west.

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Thandy isnt hating basically wasting your energy? Its a very destructive emotion. If your intentions are to attract people , i dont think this approach will work for you.

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We hate no one. Islam teaches love, respect and tolerance. Right now the Muslim world and the west are in the middle of a period of unfortunate misunderstanding ect. We dont hate, mutual respect and dialogue can fix any problem.

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Funny thing is, aside from the so-called war of independence, there are more murders, rapes and domestic violence in one year of New York then there is for the entire Saudi Arabia in a century...

Muslim laws have been touted as barbaric and inhuman by many, but in reality they are an effective deterrent to crime...When the time for prayers come in Saudi Arabia, people leave their shops open and go to pray...

We don't hate the west...The west hates us...For our individuality, our way of living and the peace that comes from an Islamic lifestyle...So they wage war on us and support those who would kill us...It has been proven in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq...

The military machine of the west is now trained on us, just like it happened under the Communists, the Nazis and now the democratists...

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The west doesn’t hate you and surely not for the reasons you put forth. For those who do have anomosity or apprehension toward Muslims, it is because they perceive quite the opposite - a lack of individuality and peace that comes from an Islamic lifestyle and a forced way of living.

And you are wrong about Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Iraq - the west removed Muslim murdering machines and has given the people a chance for representation and peace.

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Maybe because in the Muslim world, there’s hardly any ppl willing to report a crime. it’s tough to convict someone of a crime. Everyone knows Pakistan is corrupt. You can buy anyone if you can afford it. Particularly with rape—women in pak and i’m sure other countries, are just too scared to report it because they will be thrown in jail for committing zina, or their families will kill them for “dishonouring” them by being unfortuante enough. Domestic violence— women in the sub-continent are taught that ur husband is ur god, practically. In Islam, you must obey your husband, but that doesn’t give him license to beat the crap out of you for some stupid petty reason or another. Just because it isn’t reported doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

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i think you missed the point of the thread. you cant bring crime stastistics from pakistan to compare with american statistics. implement islamic sharia laws and punishments and THEN ask how many rapes happen or how many thefts occur or what not. the west in the article symoblizes the corrupt anti islamic mentality and system. i believe pakistan, saudi arabia, egypt, jordan…all these countries are as western as any other western nation. their governments are the most corrupt and unislamic govt as there can possibly be, so comparing a kafir govt with murtad govt is useless. implement islamic laws and then can we see the reduction in crime.
so what if the pakistani society does not like to report crime? most of the pakistani pubilc is illeterate in islam and i would not call a lot of them even muslims, so your bringing up examples from that society and then suggesting it is the islamic practice is not acceptable.

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^^

I agree...

And if crime is the cause of unrest in Muslim societies, it is certainly not the true Muslim from whence directon it came from...In fact, many of those that died in this silent war in our midst against Truth and evil , carried upon their foreheads the mark of the Sajda...He would, in fact be one to lay down his life for you...One from whom you expect no harm...

It is not the five-time praying, bearded man in your midst that you should fear...It is those in our midst that have no faith that are rapists, torturers, liars, backstabbers, law breakers, corrupt, looting and unrest causers...

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please donot use the word "we"....islam does not teach us anything about hatred or hating some specific race

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THE WEST COAST ROCKS!!! and stop hating us just cus your stuck in pakiland. ok. :D

pakistan sucks- well i think it does.
1st of all- amana your right. - when i go to pakistan we ( my cousins &i) arent allowed to walk 2 blocks down to karimis, a lil shop in gulshan. unless we have a guy or a mom w/ us. and you can see us walk all the way down from my cousins house.
we cant go out, to see a movie, we cant go bowling, we cant shop alone, and we cant stay out late. its all either dangerous, even when you have a guy with you, or the whole family has to come.
i remember last time i went to pakiland. my cousins n there cousins from the other side decided to go the amusement park thing by clifton ( forgot what its called) but we went on sunday. so our families have an overpopulation of girls. so there were 20ish girls wallking 2 by 2 in a line, and we had to hold hands ( i was squeezing my 5 year old cousins hand so hard) and we had 2 guys in the front, 2 guys in the back, and my cousins khala was constantly walking up n down the row. talk about fun. :(

2nd reason why i hate pakistan- theres so much crime, corruption, etc. if a girl gets raped do you really think shes gonna call the cops/ tell her parents.

3rd reason- the freaks and their politics - its rude to ask someone if they wanna go on vacation w/ you. etc etc.

but i love pakiland- cus of my cousins(most of them) and the shopping!! and of course making fun of ppl.

homer- of course islam doesnt teach us about hating a specific race. but whats w/ pakis an hating black ppl?? and americans and jews, and ... well i could go on for awhile.

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i did not say we hate a race..but we hate kuffar and their unislamic ways…

Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrâhim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: “Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allâh, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever, until you believe in Allâh Alone,” except the saying of Ibrâhim (Abraham) to his father: “Verily, I will ask for forgiveness (from Allâh) for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allâh.” Our Lord! In You (Alone) we put our trust, and to You (Alone) we turn in repentance, and to You (Alone) is (our) final Return, (Al-Mumtahinah 60:4)

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you just showed through your post how shallow and narrow minded you are. according to your post your mind only revolves around having some fun with people shopping and wasting time in other useless stuff. the mindset of these kind of people is very well known to me. if you think i m in pakiland, then you are mistaken again. i have lived amonst the ppl here in west and know them very much so. and yeah i think pakiland sucks..but not for the same reasons you gave. i think it sucks because of all the immorality and kufr i see in the people there but suddenly on friday afternoon every one becomes muslim. go to jumah and after that its the same hypocrisy and kufr.

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Thandy - lighten up. She made some valid points from both sides and all you can do is call her shallow and narrow minded. Get a grip man. Show us an example of this in progress without the corruption or the misuse of power or the fear of the citizens or the contempt of neighboring nations or rights being stripped. This concept has been known for over 1,000 yrs right? Why haven't we seen a system that works yet?

Also, what Sara516 said is valid, people afraid to speak about crime doesn't mean a crime didn't happen, it just means there is no fair system of justice in place. Saying so what and calling people illiterate is not a valid way of dismissing what she said either.

Don't hate baby.

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may be i m speaking in french or something. i did say that yes crime does happen in pakistan..but in pakistan too there is not islamic sharia..so the example does not matter for the argument. however, the crime rate IS less than in other kafir societies. no one can deny that. i dismissed her argument because of the very reason that islamic law is not in place there so it is considered same as western society in terms of islamic perspective.
and the corruption of power did happen in khilafat, ummayad and abbasid, but the average citizen did not suffer as such. the crime rate was extremely low, islamic shaira was fully in effect, but with rare circumstances when some powerful person bent some laws in his favor. but that was exception not the rule. if people are corrupt then dont blame the system. but any system other than Allah’s laws is by its very nature corrupt and unjust, so no matter how good the people become, it will always be unjust. so bring a just system first and then can we look for people who are just to govern us through the just system.
islamic rule bring peace and security, even in afghanistan under the taliban, people had safety security and peace of mind. crime was extremely low and that brought people some relief from the wars. even now people complain of the time when peace in the streets was the norm during their reign. so they tried and were getting very succesfull but the reign was stopped in its path and was not allowed to reach maturity. who knows may be if they had continued they would have bought peace to the entire country.
peace