Do u ppl believe in the theory od evoloution ...if yes ...r u a monkeys Uncle 0r Aunt

The Natural Sciences: The Collapse of Darwinism
and the Victory of "Intelligent Design"

One of the main supports for atheism's rise to its zenith in the nineteenth century was Darwin's theory of evolution. By asserting that the origin of human beings and all other living things lay in unconscious natural mechanisms, Darwinism gave atheists the scientific guise they had been seeking for centuries. That time's most passionate atheists adopted his theory, and such atheist thinkers as Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made its elucidation the basis of their philosophy. The relationship between Darwinism and atheism born at that point in time has continued until our own time.

But, at the same time, this core belief of atheism is the very one that has received the greatest blow from twentieth-century science. Discoveries in paleontology, biochemistry, anatomy, genetics, and other scientific fields have shattered the theory of evolution.

Paleontology: Darwin's theory rests on the assumptions that all species come from a single common ancestor and that they diverged from one another over a long period of time by means of small gradual changes. Supposedly, the required proofs will be discovered in the fossil record or the petrified remains of living things. But fossil research conducted during the twentieth century presents a totally different picture, for no fossil of a single undoubted intermediate species, one that would substantiate this theory of gradual evolution among species, has been found. Moreover, every taxon [an animal or plant group having natural relations] appears suddenly in the fossil record, and no trace has ever been found of any previous ancestors. The phenomenon known as the Cambrian Explosion, which scientists classify as a period of time that occurred 540 to 490 million years ago, is especially interesting. In that early geological period, nearly all of the animal kingdom's phyla (major groups with significantly different body structures) appeared suddenly. The sudden emergence of many different categories of living things with totally different body structures and extremely complex organs and systems (e.g., mollusks, arthropods, echinoderms, and, as recently discovered, even vertebrates) rendered the theory of evolution invalid and proved creation, for as evolutionists also agree, a taxon's sudden emergence implies purposeful design, and this means creation.

All of the fossil research conducted during the twentieth century proves that there is no gradual evolution between species. The fact that many different groups of living things appeared suddenly in the Cambrian Explosion is convincing proof that they were created.

Advances made in twentieth-century biology reveal the unscientific nature of the theory of evolution. The discovery of the structure of DNA alone gave one of the greatest blows to this theory.

Biological Observations: Darwin elaborated on his theory by relying upon examples of how animal breeders produced different dog or horse varieties. He extrapolated the limited changes he observed to the whole natural world, and proposed that every living thing could have come from a common ancestor. But Darwin made this claim in the nineteenth century, when the level of scientific sophistication was low. In the twentieth century, things changed greatly. Decades of observation and experimentation on various animal species have shown that variation in living things has never gone beyond a certain genetic boundary. Darwin's assertions, like: "I can see no difficulty in a race of bears being rendered, by natural selection, more and more aquatic in their habits, with larger and larger mouths, till a creature was produced as monstrous as a whale"22 actually demonstrates his great ignorance. On the other hand, observations and experiments show that mutations defined by Neo-Darwinism as an evolutionary mechanism add no new genetic information to living creatures.

The Origin of Life: Darwin spoke about a common ancestor, but never mentioned how this person came to be. His only conjecture was that the first cell could have formed as a result of random chemical reactions "in some small warm little pond."23 But those evolutionary biochemists who sought to close this hole in Darwinism were frustrated by the fact that all of their observations and experiments showed that no living cell could arise within inanimate matter by means of random chemical reactions. Even the English atheist astronomer Fred Hoyle expressed that such a scenario "is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."24

Intelligent Design: Scientists who study cells and their molecules, along with the cells' remarkable organization within the body, and the bodily organs' delicate order and plan are faced with proof that evolutionists strongly wish to reject: The world of living things is permeated by designs too complex to be found in any technological equipment. Intricate examples of design, including our eyes that are far superior to any camera, the wings of birds that have inspired flight technology, the complexly integrated system of the cells of living things, and the remarkable information stored in DNA have vitiated the theory of evolution, which regards living things as the product of blind chance.
By the end of the twentieth century, all of these facts had squeezed Darwinism into a corner. Today, in the United States and other Western countries, the theory of intelligent design is gaining ever-increasing acceptance among scientists. Those who defend it say that Darwinism has been a great error in the history of science, and that it came to be so by imposing materialist philosophy on the scientific paradigm. Scientific discoveries show that there is a design in living things, which proves creation. In short, science proves once more that God created all living things.

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Does anyone have a theory on how humans came to be, with significant proof?
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If it had substantial proof it would no-longer be a theory. There is none as yet, only theories. The most widely accepted one as yet is the one that was put forth by Darwin. However there have been many findings to suggest that that is not the answer--but it still remains the most widely accepted in the scientific world.

And actually there is annother school of thought that meshes both idea togeather..for those of us who enjoy perching on the fence. That perhaps these "co-incidences" had a helping hand from god, to choose or select the fittest..so that they would go on to breed, by doing so inadvertantly creating mankind. Not out of clay..but by manipulating the environment or circumstances etc...

(part two)

The bricks

Another challenge to evolution theory coming frm microbiology.

As a basic component of the cell, proteine plays a very important part in the functioning of the body. Molecules who transport oxygen to the cells through blood, enzyms that pass electrons to nervs and the thousands of different hormones, are all different kinds of proteines.

How is a proteine accomplished? A proteine is formed by a series of molecules which are even smaller than a proteine. These small molecules that form proteine are called
amino acides. There are 20 different kinds. The amino acids in a proteine are organised in a certain order. There are proteines that are built out of 50 amino acides, but there are also those that consists out of 1000s amino acids.

The adding or eliminating of a single amino acid molecule out of the proteine chane or the replacing of an amino acid by another, makes the proteine entirly useless and forms a danger for the body. This sensitive and complex proteines are prepared in the living cell by a series of complicated events. the code in relation to the structure of all proteines is recorded in the DNA molecule of the core of teh cell.

If the body needs a certain proteine, an order for production is being sent to the concerning cell. A special enzym is inserted to find the right information about the needed proteine that needs to be copied in the middle of miljard codes in the DNA. This special enzym is also called RNA messenger. When the code is copied, the RNA messenger leaves the DNA and heads to the fluid of the cell. HEre the code in the RNA is coded and digested in a special organ, named the Ribosoom, where the right amount of amino acids according to a certain sequence is organised to a proteine. The proteine molecule leaves the Ribosoom to do it's service in the right spot of the body.

Normally during this proces a whole series of complicated helping processes take place during which everytime a certain amount of specialised enzyms play a part.

Till teh day of today, even with the most advanced technique, mankind can't make a proteine.

The evolution theory states that life began by a cell taht developped by coincidence under the primitive circumstances of the world.

But it points out to be impossible that even one of the thousands of proteines of a cell can arrise by coincidence. It's obvious that proteine, DNA , cells and other living things are result of a design.

Since there is a design, there has to be a designer.

The only explanation evolutionists have given, is mutations. Mutations are chagnes that occur in DNA of a living cell, as consequence of external factors such as chemicals. But the fact is, that mutation is only dangerous for living creatures.
If for example a damage occurs, in one of the 7 amino acids of a hemoglobine proteine in a bloodcells, this brings about that the whole functional structure of the proteine is damaged.
Also will the change of place of the 6th amino acid by another, diminish the function of the proteine, who sees to it that oxygen is taken to blood.

Till the day fo today no positive or evolutionaire effects are found as consequence of mutations. Experiments on flies have shown that the consequences are fatal.

Mutations destroy the perfect DNA code of aliving creature and changes them in monsterlike creatures. That's why prof. Richard Dawkins, one of todays eminent followers of evolution theory, struggles to find an answer to the question, if there excists an example fo a mutation or evolutional proces without negative effects on the genetic structure of living creatures.

The evidence

The facts are there. Life is of such complex order and design that it couln't have been spontanously arrosen. IN the 20th century it was prooven that evolution theory is impossible, not only by proove of macrobiology and microbiology. but also from paleontology.

Not one fossile is ever found to support the evolutin theory. Darwin stated that in time there developped little differences in creatures as consequence of little mutations.
In this long process of changes, there are supposedly developped millions of different species, 'in between forms'.
But never was one found, despite the efforts. In contrary fossiles show thta living creatures suddenly emerged in their current form. With other words, living creatures aren't evoluated, but formed.

Darwin confessed that this fact refutes his theory:"If species largely chagned to other kinds with littel differences, then why don't we find fossiles of those 'in between forms'?

There had to be a lot of them. But why don't we find them burried in earth.

Darwin was right abou t that. NObody could find that imaginary half fish/half reptile or half reptile/half bird in between form fossile every evolutionist was talking about.

The fraud

One of the few fossiles evolutionists showed as important evidence, was a bird named "Archaeopteryx".
They stated this bird was a link/in between form between birds and reptiles. But later fossiels were found of (flying) birds which were millions years older than Archaeopteryx, this was the proove that Archaeopteryx was no in between form.

Another wellknown statement of the evolution theory is that mankind evoluated of ape like forefathers.
Evolutionist pressed this subject a lot. That is becuase up to now aobut 65000 sorts of apes have excisted from which the bigger part has died away.
The different sizes of the skulls of these died apes was a good chance for the evolutionists.

They came up with a script for the evolution of humans, by putting these sculls in a certain order and combine/mix the skulls of died away human races, like the Neanderthalls. These scenario's are presented to the public with the hlep of media in only imaginary drawings. In these drawings, creatures with hairy bodies and ape like faces, are given human designs. The purpose it to make the impression that these creatures really excisted as in between forms between apes and humans.
In some cases these drawings are even presented in scenes about social lifes of these creatures. These misleading drawings are presented in a certain orderto brainwash the public aobut he evolution of mankind.

Evolutionistsa are specialised in using fossiles to create imaginary creatures. Even in the most populare scientific magazines these drawings are published.

The counterfeits

This all is nothing more than deceit.

As only proove some pieces of scull or bones are shown. While the hair, skin, nose, ears lips and other features of the face can't be traced by bone peaces. Evolutionists don't only make false drawings, but also touchable false evidence.

Most famous of these if Piltdown fossile, which was presented as proove in Englandin 1912. This fossile was exhibited in museums as teh most important in between form between apes and humans during 30 years. Experts who investigated this scull agian in 1949 saw that it wsn't a fossile, but a fabricated human scull with the jaw of an ape, fixed in such a way that it had to appear that they belonged together, as one part.

In 1922, evolutionists, with the hlep of a tooth, made another imaginary form, the Nebraska man. They even gave the fossile a Latin name, 'Hesheropithecus Haroldcook II'. But that tooth later was found to belong to a pig. Many fossile sculls that were presented as evidence for the evolution of mankind later turned out to be fraud every time:

Neanderthal man in 1856. Rejected in 1960.
Piltdown man in 1912. Rejected in 1949.
Hesperopithecus in 1922. Rejected in 1927.
Zinjantropus in 1959. Rejected in 1960.
Ramapithecus in 1964. Rejected in 1979.

Despite all these facts, still in many countries these sculls are imposed on the public as evidence. As scientif facts taught at schools. The majority of these communities insist that evolution theory is a prooven fact. Much fake evidence which is crossed out of literature by experts is still shown to students as forefathers of mankind.

What they want to hide with the evolution theory is clear:

They are trying to deny the Creator and hold back mankind of devoting himself to his Creator.

The whole universe is the work of one Creator. Teh superior intelligence, power and wisdom of the Creator is revealed in everything He has created.
For a conscious human being, His creation alone is enough evidence, of the creative power of his Creator. Every of the millions forms of life that excists on earth, are perfect and unique piece of art and like any art, they are only the product of their creator.

He is Allah, the Lord of heavens and earth and all that is inbetween.

In answer to the original question, I believe in the theory of Evolution. If you read Allama Iqbal's book "reconstruction of religious thought in islam" he has a thoery that kind of makes sense. I don't have time now to go through it but he has also stated in his book that evolution was actually proposed originally by a muslim scholar 1000 years ago !!

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In answer to the original question, I believe in the theory of Evolution. If you read Allama Iqbal's book "reconstruction of religious thought in islam" he has a thoery that kind of makes sense. I don't have time now to go through it but he has also stated in his book that evolution was actually proposed originally by a muslim scholar 1000 years ago !!
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Allama Iqbal is my favorite poet. I greatly admire him, but that does not mean I believe each and every word he says. HE was a human being and did not receive Wahi. So even he commited mistakes.

The best source of guidance in every matter is Quran and Sunnah.

Darwin’s Evolution theory is a load of bollocks I can’t believe people could believe such nonsense. Just because some scientist puts forward a theory it doesn’t necessarily mean its true.

I once read in a biology encyclopaedia that animals from the monkey family (chimpanzees, gorillas, orang-utans, etc.) have at least 96.4% DNA identical to that of human beings. And pigs are over 99% similar in their DNA makeup to humans. The reason apes and pigs have so much in common with human beings could be because in the past Allah turned some sinful people into apes and pigs.

  • And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected." (The holy Quran, 2:65)

So when they exceeded the limits of what they were prohibited, We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected." (The holy Quran, 7:166)

Say: “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah: those who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, those of whom He transformed into monkeys and swine’s, those who worshipped false deities; such are worse in rank and far more astray from the Right Path.” (The holy Quran, 5:60)*

PS. This is just what I think. Anything, which I have said, that is true is from Allah (the Exalted) and if I’ve said something, which is not true, then that is from Satan and me.

Mr. Saif-ul-Islam:

It is one of the most bizzare statement I have ever read:

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The reason apes and pigs have so much in common with human beings could be because in the past Allah turned some sinful people into apes and pigs.
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I believe in evolution of mankind guided by the laws of Allah but the above statement has no place in Islam. There is so much sin in this world right now and we don't see any one of those SINFUL people being converted to pigs and Apes. Please explain!

There is nothing wrong in agreeing or disagreeing to the evolution theory, but what is the point of propagating Islamic veiw while critisizing history?

"""""yahudi """""" There is nothing wrong in agreeing or disagreeing to the evolution theory, but what is the point of propagating Islamic veiw while critisizing history?


I m replying to your reaction/answer how can u be agree to one thing and same time disagree with it, this is a method we adapt in our daily life. i am sure if u are a true muslim and hv read the origin of this world and human being then i think evolution should not click us.

I agree you are reffering to other people comments but same time also remember if we are muslims then this re-carnation thing (hindu belief) when we die will born as animals or another thin what happend if i done loads of good thing i according to thier belif we still b re born as others (animals) which is not so ture.

so brothers and sisters this is very iportant if we do look into this evolution.

Darwin's Theories :)
(gud when u want some amusement)

I wonder, for past some thousands of years, why animals and humans took "another" form..according to Mr. Darwin.

If Darwin is right..then i must expect that after like 2 thousand years, my generation will take another form.

Secondly,
there are kinds of minds and i want to prove their bandwidth limit (broadness) this way :

there is an ant..crawling on a peice of paper.
all this ant can see..is lines . the ant tries to seek the source. and this ant see the tip of the pen. and yells.. "Ah! i can see what is drawing the lines..its the TIP of the pen".

hmm...

then there is another ant..this ant tries to seek the source and it sees the tip drawing those lines..but this ant is a bit ahead of the previous ant...it can see its the pen which is drawing these lines. this ant is limited too.

then comes..another..who says..its the hand what holds the pen and writes.
then comes another ant..who realises that there is someone who is commanding the hand..to draw these lines.
this ant reaches the real source.

now ..u can see..where darwin stands according to this example.
the guy is way too limited :p.

ciao
peace

You know, the most correct title of this thread would be "Do you people believe in the theory of evolution? If yes; are you a monkey's nephew or niece?"

This banter isn't going anywhere. The power of faith surprises everyone. Nobody's gonna change their minds about this matter (except maybe the in-betweeners).

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*Originally posted by fatehahmad: *
Mr. Saif-ul-Islam:

It is one of the most bizzare statement I have ever read:

I believe in evolution of mankind guided by the laws of Allah but the above statement has no place in Islam. There is so much sin in this world right now and we don't see any one of those SINFUL people being converted to pigs and Apes. Please explain!
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Listen you Mirzai!!! I said it's just what I think, I could be wrong and it might not be the case but no Muslim can deny that God did turn them into apes and pigs because it says it in the holy Quran, and please don't give me your twisted intrepretations, because I don't give a rats ass about what your leader the Dajjal (may the laanat of Allah be upon him and may he roast in hell for eternity) said...

^^ SIr i do undersatand the message ur trying to convey.... and its correct aswell...But our religion Islam also teaches us abot tolerence to how ever Arrogant or sufficiated( my cat ate my dictionary) person ur dealin with And calling names is srtickly forbidden inIslam. May b u both missunder stood each others comments

Mr. Saif-ul-Islam,

Its not my problem but yours that you consider everything mentioned in Holy Quran literaly.

When Holy Quran talks about people being converted to pigs and apes, its not in the literal sense but in metaphorical terms. Meaning that those people have started to behave like pigs (immorality) and apes (following other people and copying them).

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Mr. Saif-ul-Islam,

Its not my problem but yours that you consider everything mentioned in Holy Quran literaly.

When Holy Quran talks about people being converted to pigs and apes, its not in the literal sense but in metaphorical terms. Meaning that those people have started to behave like pigs (immorality) and apes (following other people and copying them).
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ah! koran sayinged ape other peapul folow wrong? then why all peapul in muslim folow copy mohamad? you tell folow copy mohamad wrong becase koran?

Tommy, your days are numbered, you were a novelty now please speak properly. Don't be ashamed, we won't hate you because you're beautiful. I think I see some very strong and well reasoned posts. I just can't understand them
OK, this is really bugging me. In the title......if the theory of evolution is RIGHT then the monkey is MY uncle........not the other way round.
I had to point that out.
Sorry.

DITTO:k:

I was gonna actually say the same in another thread.
He has some very good points but I can’t seem to make anything from his style of writing:(

ok ok! I asking fer peapul what in cafe. 10 peapuls sayinged "ok Tom, you changing" then I changing langage. ok?

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Mr. Saif-ul-Islam,

Its not my problem but yours that you consider everything mentioned in Holy Quran literaly.

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And look what happened when mirza ghulam ahmad got hold of the quran, left a sour taste for generations to follow.

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ok ok! I asking fer peapul what in cafe. 10 peapuls sayinged "ok Tom, you changing" then I changing langage. ok?
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Now you are attention seeking??
Puhlease, I am the crowned attention seeker in this joint.
Tell me, in which way do you think you can make an impact and put across your points best? Admittedly you were funny at first, but seriously, its about time you wowed us with your intelligence.
HIT ME.