Do Salafis take literal meaning of the Quran?

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you’re simply playing with words here ya akhee kareem. I can say Allah Ta’ala is al-Rahman, Allah Ta’ala has Two Hands. Both of the statments implying an Attribute for Allah Ta’ala. The ayah say that “created with Both My Hands”. Are you telling me that the dhahir of ayah is not that Allah Ta’ala has Two Hands?

right … but “Both My Hands” doesn’t prove that? For example, If I say “I eat with my two hands”, what I’m tring to say here? I don’t have to say “the hand of mine is a hand” to prove that I’ve a hand. This is complete nonsensical! The term “my hands” prove that I literally have two hands.

Wa’alaikumuSalam bro AllahkaBanda

Yes I am saying that the dhahir is not Allah has two maadi hands if you read the statement ‘created with both My Hands’ … here is the reason why it is not dhahir.

When you interpret Hand of Allah you say it is not like any other hand, because He is Unique.

In semantics and in logic some statements are called definitions … When you read Surah Ikhlas it defines what Allah (SWT) is … Allah hu Ahad … Allah IS One … x is y. Do you see why this is not a strawman?

When you read the verse “created with both My Hands” you need to apply a meaning to Hands that has already been established from somewhere else. I hope you follow.

now if we say that Allah (SWT) has two Hands is that not like our hands because we have two? Ok may be that is a stretch … what is the Hand of Allah? What we can say about the verse above is that ‘the Hands of Allah Create’, but we cannot say anymore than that.

Now hopefully knowing that Allah is One … it means that One cannot be broken into parts … just as we say the Hands of Allah are not like any other hands because He is Unique in the same way His Hands cannot be limbs or a part of something because He is One and Indivisible.

So Hand of Allah IS NOT like any other hand and Hand of Allah IS NOT part of Allah, because of what is explained … can you agree so far?

@AllahkaBanda

brother, the dhahir of the ayah is clear and your premise and logic is flawed. I’ve presented to you what the Qur’an says, I presented to you how the early scholars understood it but you’re still asking me this. Why don’t you tell me what is the dhahir of “with Both My Hands”? If suppose, we should understand it by ta’weel, then what does it mean:
“O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands” [Surah Sa’d:75 - interpretation of the meaning]
The trick of ta’weel could have worked for Ash’aris but Allah Ta’ala left no room for them when He said “Both My Hands”.

Wallahu A’lam

Here the dhahir meaning is no more than ‘Both My Hands Create’ it is not a verse which defines the term Hand so cannot be used to DERIVE the meaning:

The Hand of Allah IS a hand.

The dhahir obliges us to take Hand not like any other hand due to other defined things about Allah and likewise we cannot say the Hand of Allah is a part of Allah as One cannot have parts. Although I am not saying the meaning of Hands is metaphoric at this stage I am indeed negating the physcial meaning of hand due to other complexities outside this verse.

Even you believe that the Hand of Allah is not a hand. And if it is a hand then it must be like other hands otherwise how else can it be a hand and not like any other hand?