Is it true that they dont believe on esoteric interpreations of the Quran at all?
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As-Salamu 'Alaykum brother
no the people of Ahlus Sunnah (salafi) don't take literal meaning of every ayah of the Qur'aan. We understand it how the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) has taught us and how the Salaf understood it. Just because we believe and take Sifaat of Allah upon their dahir (apparent) meaning, which is what we suppose to do as explained by the Sunnah and athar of the Salaf, doesn't mean we do the same for all other matters. Simple guideline is that we believe in the Qur'aan, the Saheeh Sunnah and understand them how the Salaf understood it.
Wallahu A'lam
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^^ And does that include Allah sitting on a chair? and having eyes and ears and hands?
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^bro, before I answer your question, I would like to know where did you get this idea: read a book by a well know scholar or athar of the Salaf or random bashing articles against Ahlus Sunnah (salafis)? Depending on your answer and your adab to discuss this issue, my response could be very lengthy.
As-Salamu 'Alaykum brother
no the people of Ahlus Sunnah (salafi) don't take literal meaning of every ayah of the Qur'aan. We understand it how the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) has taught us and how the Salaf understood it. Just because we believe and take Sifaat of Allah upon their dahir (apparent) meaning, which is what we suppose to do as explained by the Sunnah and athar of the Salaf, doesn't mean we do the same for all other matters. Simple guideline is that we believe in the Qur'aan, the Saheeh Sunnah and understand them how the Salaf understood it.
Wallahu A'lam
who do salafis take as an authentic muffasir? is there any salafi accepted version of tafsir available on the net?
^bro, before I answer your question, I would like to know where did you get this idea: read a book by a well know scholar or athar of the Salaf or random bashing articles against Ahlus Sunnah (salafis)? Depending on your answer and your adab to discuss this issue, my response could be very lengthy.
With all due respects, I really want straight forward one liners as answers not convoluted arguments.
who do salafis take as an authentic muffasir? is there any salafi accepted version of tafsir available on the net?
bro, I'm sure you know what I mean when I said we understand them how the Salaf understood it. For the sake of answer, from among the early scholars: 'Abdullah ibn Abbas, Imaam ibn Jarir al-Tabari (may Allah be pleased with them both), from among the later scholars: the well known and widely accepted tafaasir are by Imaam ibn Kathir and Imaam al-Qurtbi (may Allah have mercy on them).
With all due respects, I really want straight forward one liners as answers not convoluted arguments.
it seems you edited your post when i clicked on to quote you. I'll give you a one liner response if you tell me the source of where you read that. Your previous version of the post said "an excerpt from a book by Abdul Wahab". I don't know why you removed it bro but let's hear where you read about it. The reason I'm asking you is bec your question shows that you don't know much about this.
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Since i dont remember where i read, i feel it is not fair to quote
^if that is so, I’ll answer your questions
:bism:
The basic principle of Ahlus Sunnah in regard to Sifaat of Allah:We affirm and believe in what Allah Ta’ala has said about Himself in the Qur’aan, what His Prophet, Muhammad (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam - peace and blessings be upon him), said about Him and how the Salaf (May Allah be pleased with them) understood His Sifaat without taw’il (interpreting their meanings into different), tashbih (giving resemblance or similarity in any specific creatures), ta’til (completely ignoring or denying them), tafweed (tawfid - to relegate the meanings) and takeef (takif - asking how)
no one from Ahlus Sunnah ever said this. We say that Allah Ta’ala is above the heavens over His throne as Qur’an tells us, the ahadith tell us and numerous athar of the Salaf confirm it. The evidence for this is His saying (interpretation of the meaning): “And (remember) when Allah said: 'O ‘Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you…’” [Surah al-'Imran:55]. As far a saheeh hadeeth, the well known hadeeth of a slave girl reported in Saheeh Muslim, Sunnan Abu Dawud and others. For a glimpse of evidence in support of Sunni belief please refer to this post.
Now, the Ahlul Bid’ah (Ash’aris/Maturidis) say that Allah Ta’ala is neither in His creation, nor outside of it and neither connected to it, nor separate from it; however, He is everywhere. So we ask them for the evidence of their belief and how does their belief is even logical?
You don’t have to buy my words but ask yourself why do you point your hands above when making du’a?
yes, Allah Ta’ala do have eyes and two of them, the evidence for this is His saying (interpretation of the meaning): “And We carried him on a (ship) made of planks and nails, Floating under Our Eyes, a reward for him who had been rejected!” [Surah Al-Qamar: 13-14]. As far a saheeh hadeeth, the famous hadeeth of Dajjaal; Prophet (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) said: “the Dajjaal is A’war [one-eyed]—but your Lord is not A’war [one-eyed]” reported in Saheeh Muslim and others.
no one from Ahlus Sunnah say that Allah Ta’ala has ears; we simply believe that He hears.
yes, Ahlus Sunnah affirm that Allah Ta’ala has hands and evidence for this is His saying (interpretation of the meaning): “(Allah said): ‘O Iblees! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with My Two Hands?’” [Surah Sa’d:75].
Now, the Ahlul Bid’ah (Ash’aris/Maturidis) say that Allah Ta’ala created Adam ('alayhi as-salam) with His power. So, we ask them are you saying that Allah Ta’ala has two powers?
Last but not least, the famous statement of Imaam at-Tirmidhee (rahimahullah) from his Sunnan (Vol 1, pg 128-129) in which he said:It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allah, and our Lord - the Blessed and Most High - descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say: “Affirm these narrations, have Imaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.” The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn Uyainah and Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth: “Leave them as they are, without asking how.” Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say: This is tashbeeh! However, Allah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sama’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing) - but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these ayaat, explaining them in a way, other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge. They say: Indeed, Allah did not create Aadam with His own Hand - they say that Hand means the Power of Allah.
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Allah ka banda- so u believe that Allah SWT has hands and eyes? i thought the verses u quoted were metaphorical?
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^As-Salamu 'Alaykum
Yes borther, Ahlus Sunnah believe that Allah Ta'ala has Hands and Eyes and the evidences speak for themselves. Could you please tell me according to who those ayaat are to be taken metaphorical and not upon their dahir (apparent) meaning?
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ALLAHKABANDA - what are Ash'aris/Maturidis?
^As-Salamu 'Alaykum
Yes borther, Ahlus Sunnah believe that Allah Ta'ala has Hands and Eyes and the evidences speak for themselves. Could you please tell me according to who those ayaat are to be taken metaphorical and not upon their dahir (apparent) meaning?
Dude talk about your belief. All muslims are Ahl ul sunnah, since they all believe they are following the sunnah of the Prophet.
ALLAHKABANDA - what are Ash'aris/Maturidis?
they are two groups of theology/creed in Islaam. Ash'aris emerged at the mid/end of third Century of Islaam and Maturidis emerged in the 4th Century of Islaam. Both of the groups deviated from the correct path as they dwell into philosphy while trying to refute Mu'tazilite.
Dude talk about your belief. All muslims are Ahl ul sunnah, since they all believe they are following the sunnah of the Prophet.
ok, let's assume you're correct, even though you don't know where I'm coming from. Are you now going to accept and believe in the ayaat and ahadeeth, which I posted above, about Allah Ta'ala having Eyes, Hands and being above the heavens over His throne? If no, why not? If you end up not believing in those ayaat and ahadeeth, which is rejecting the Qur'aan and the Sunnah, can you be among the Ahlus Sunnah?
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AllahkaBanda- i dont think its a mainstream Sunni believe that Allah SWT has eyes and ears because anybody with mind and wisdom could tell u that such claims are like walking on a sand bridge.
Anyway, tell me is it a Salafi believe too that Allah (swt) gets hungry and eats food? and Allah (swt) gets thirsty and drinks water?
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Wow, some people have too much time to discuss about the most useless topics.
Seriously, how does Allah having eyes and ear increase or decrease your imaan?
How will knowing that get you into heaven or not?
Clearly there is some intent in this thread to waste time and increase animosity between the two sects.
People, lets rather talk about things that will benefit us all.
AllahkaBanda- i dont think its a mainstream Sunni believe that Allah SWT has eyes and ears because anybody with mind and wisdom could tell u that such claims are like walking on a sand bridge.
not surprised to hear this from you. What you think is not our deen; what the Qur'aan and the Sunnah says is our deen. Why are you rejecting the ayaat of the Qur'aan and the ahdeeth? Why not explain them instead of running away and smply uttering basless satetments? Next time when you say something, please try to bring some proof to prove your position. I've answered your questions but you still haven't answered mine:
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Could you please tell me according to who those ayaat are to be taken metaphorical and not upon their dahir (apparent) meaning?
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Anyway, tell me is it a Salafi believe too that Allah (swt) gets hungry and eats food? and Allah (swt) gets thirsty and drinks water?
let's not utter kufr statements. Please don't forget to tell me how does affirming that Allah Ta'ala having Hands, which befits His Majesty, is some how a wrong belief or resembles Allah Ta'ala with His creation?
brother Nussairee, you don't know much about this issue and neither you know much about Ahlus Sunnah. I've answered your original question and I don't think there's a need to continue this further.
Wow, some people have too much time to discuss about the most useless topics.
Seriously, how does Allah having eyes and ear increase or decrease your imaan? How will knowing that get you into heaven or not?
Clearly there is some intent in this thread to waste time and increase animosity between the two sects.
People, lets rather talk about things that will benefit us all.
As-Salamu 'Alaykum
respected brother, you just insulted many scholars who suffered to present and preserve the correct teachings of Islaam. Was Prophet's (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) action useless and had no benefit in terms of the faith when he asked the salve girl where is Her Lord and upon her affirmation, he (sal-allahu 'alayhi wa salam) called her a believer? Or were the Salaf's efforts useless when they wrote many books to refute the heretics in matters of Tawheed as-sama was-Sifaat? Are you telling me that Imaam Ahlus Sunnah's (Ahmad ibn Hanbal - rahimahullah) jihad against Mu'tazilite was useless?
Off course, knowing about your Lord increases one's imaan!
AllahkaBanda:
Is it true that according to your faith Allah has legs and on the day of judgment when the hell fire will be very hot Allah will put his leg in hell and hell will cool down substantially? If I heard it wrong then I am sorry.
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Now what I understand is that Allah is limitless and HE is everywhere (omnipresent). To reduce Allah or to limit Him is Shirk.
All the ayaats you have quoted seem quite clear, Allah can see, Allah can hear. Allah has a throne cause he is the real King/Ruler or the universe. It is literal and figurative. I see no issues
- 050.016 * YUSUFALI: It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein.
If he is sitting up in heaven somewhere then how come he is so near. God is omnipresent and omnipotent. If you start taking things too literally then Quran appears to be in contradiction.
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- 003.007 * YUSUFALI: He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.