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Do men are allowed to keep 4 wives without any strict conditions.?

If conditions are to do justice in all respects between all the four, then is it possible for a man to do justice between all four of them?

If I say that a man can not do justice between four wives. As it is impossible for a mother to do justice between her all children? She cares more for some one than other, she dresses some one better than the other, some child studies in better school than the other etc etc

Also God says you can marry upto 4 provided u can do justice among them ; which u can not do.

I believe that allowance to marry four is very very conditional.

1) if the wife can not bear the child and the man is perfectly alright
2) wife has some horrible dease such as AIDS etc etc __dangerous one
*3) for all crupt men who are likely to do zinna and may born a child without father’s name. **So to give the name of the father to a child _to born a halali child. ***

"Do a little wrong for a greater good of humanity “to born a halal child” and you --the men, do a little sin of marrying again -a new one.

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Just a slight correction ..

" Are men allowed to keep 4 wives without any strict conditions ? "

The reasoning is okey just a little correction again

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As it is impossible for a mother to do justice between her all children?
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Wrong !

Maybe you tried to say

As it is impossible for a mother to **Love* her all children equally ?*

Which is a better argument, same is the case with man and his wives.

Doing justice is not impossible, loving equally maybe is ..

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Code red!

Thanks for making the corection. That is what I wanted to say.

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i wont b addressing the issues but i will contribute this much.

wars have killed men throughout history which destroys the social unit ie family. one of the main reasons for prostitution was war and its after effects due to men lost.prostitution also spread sisease and spawned bast@rds,other than that there r widows ,orphans etc and i believe it is more *for them that we were allowed to marry four women because its function seeks to *repair **society and keep the population **halal.

the allowance of four wives ,as always, has been exploited for purposes best described as unhonorable by many with obvious sideeffects.

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Allah says that in the Quran that u will never be able to love all equally but do not leave one completely and bend towards the other....
u treat them equal in other affairs, even if u dont love them equal....

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No sane person considers this as an equal treatment to women. If many Moslems think that social gatherings of men and women, absence of purdah, equal legal status to men leads to wide spread immorality and indiscriminate sexual relation, nothing is more foolish than this. If these people talk of morality, in what way ‘Temporary marriage’ of Islam is different from prostitution.
Last but not the least where is the equality when a woman is not allowed to go to the place of worship along with her family even with the so-called purdah!!!
The ultimate pity is that the Moslem women are made to accept all this in the name of Islam and Allah.

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What does temporary marriage have to do with any of this? What places of worship are they not allowed in with their families even with purdah? Some mosques have arrangements for women, some don't.

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What arrangements does it take to have women come to pray in a Mosque? Even so, why they dont have arrangements for women. Here why, cos Quran treats women like:
Let us see what the Quran says about women. It says “men have a degree (of advantage) over them” 2:228](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/); that the witness of woman is worth half of that of man 2:282; that women inherit half of their male siblings, 4:11-12; that a man can marry two or three or four women 4:3; that if a women becomes captive in a war, her Muslim master is allowed to rape her 33:50; that if a woman is not totally submissive to her husband she will enter Hell 66:10; that women are “tilth” for their husbands (to cultivate them) 2:223; that men are in charge of women, as if women were imbeciles or minors who could not take care of themselves; that they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused) 4:34

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Temporary marriage, or muta'a is considered a joke for most muslims. I don't think most people really believe this to be Islamic. Given that only a minority of scholars argue for it to be true, then whatever man. I doubt it is true. And women ARE allowed in mosques, otherwise, how are they allowed to go near the Kaaba? Or masjids in Madina? If some Masjid in karachi doesn't allow women to enter, then that's a cultural problem of those people. I don't see what any of this has to do with polygamy. Polygamy is a totally different issue.

For the original poster: That is why polygamy is not meant for everyone. Most people would not treat two women equally, even leaving "love" aside.

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That has nothing to do with it. For the mosques that I’ve been to, it’s more about it being more important for men to pray at the mosque and better for women to pray at home. So when there’s limited space, they only have arrangement for the men.

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Its really a different topic altogether. Needs a new thread.

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Agree, love develops by its own we don't make it happen. treating them equal is what islam asks for not loving equally.

Muta' no longer holds its place in islam atleast for sunnis. Only, shia recognized muta' in modern day world. Needless to say muta was discontinued long ago and is considerd void.

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Yep:)

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My main argument was from kalame elahe, not from ahadeez.

Quran says just after those lines , where it says you can marry upto four provided you can do justice between them." but you can not do justice between them" God's clear words.
So marrying more is not fazelat in anyway.

Regarding prophet " it is a different story, no one can be him.
His marrages were due to different reasons.

Otherwise till KHATEJA (AS) was alive he never married a second lady.
*His all other marriages were due to some solid reasons. *

It was not that kind of marriages as todays men try to potraite. Otherwise all his wives should have been mother of his children. But none could bear a child; except maria.

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^^^^
where are you??? my dear men!!!!

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And what's the use of refreshing this thread?