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^They're usually mentally stronger but dunno if the end result of the problems are better or worse..
90% of my family is desi and they are extremely strong people. Being mentally strong or week has nothing to do with dramatizing a situation.
Goray ppl are equally dramaybaz and many are shameless too.
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^That's ur opinion but most ppl would say that those desi mums who threaten suicide or stop eating cos their sons won't go to medical school or daughters won't marry their cousin from 'back home' **aren't **mentally strong..
A lot of desis tend to grow up with a lot of emphasis on approval and support from the family and community network, meaning even as adults they aren't as used to making solo decisions without needing or asking for approval from parents or elders.. One ex. is the many grown-up guys who say they will always take their mothers' side over their wives' regardless of whether she's right or wrong or that they feel unable to ever move away from the parents' home or the fact that so many teachers and college lecturers report that young female desi students often speak up less and/or have less confidence than their white classmates. When u live in a 'hierarchy' where it's considered bad manners to ever challenge an elder or parent or go against the community (whatever the reason) of course that is going to affect the people growing up within it and their attitudes..
The whole idea of being subservient and constantly worrying 'what will so and so think' isn't exactly healthy, leads to a hell of a lot of resentment and a lot of crazy behaviour (esp regarding women who have a tougher time within the 'framework'). In the UK desi women have far higher levels of depression, suicide and self-harm than white women, does that sound mentally strong to you??
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At this thread
so much inferiority complex.. 
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^It's not inferiority complex, everything I've written is fact (go and look up the exact rates of depression, self-harm etc of desi women v the native population if u don't believe me).. I've also written that white people have their own kinds of problems to deal with (more likely to have drink/drug/teenage preg related than us).. Problem is us desis are so sensitive we often can't handle anything negative being said about us - even if it's true.. If more of us could handle constructive criticism of some of our cultural norms we prob wouldn't be in the mess we're in compared to nearly every other ethnic group living in the UK..
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^That's ur opinion but most ppl would say that those desi mums who threaten suicide or stop eating cos their sons won't go to medical school or daughters won't marry their cousin from 'back home' **aren't **mentally strong..
A lot of desis tend to grow up with a lot of emphasis on approval and support from the family and community network, meaning even as adults they aren't as used to making solo decisions without needing or asking for approval from parents or elders.. One ex. is the many grown-up guys who say they will always take their mothers' side over their wives' regardless of whether she's right or wrong or that they feel unable to ever move away from the parents' home or the fact that so many teachers and college lecturers report that young female desi students often speak up less and/or have less confidence than their white classmates. When u live in a 'hierarchy' where it's considered bad manners to ever challenge an elder or parent or go against the community (whatever the reason) of course that is going to affect the people growing up within it and their attitudes..
The whole idea of being subservient and constantly worrying 'what will so and so think' isn't exactly healthy, leads to a hell of a lot of resentment and a lot of crazy behaviour (esp regarding women who have a tougher time within the 'framework'). In the UK desi women have far higher levels of depression, suicide and self-harm than white women, does that sound mentally strong to you??
They don't literally threaten suicide, etc. Your replies have lot of generalizations and assumptions.
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Unfortunately, yes. lol
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yes.
i thought this thread was about desis...why did some people bring in goras to avoid answering the real question and divert attention. typical desiness.
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yes.
i thought this thread was about desis...why did some people bring in goras to avoid answering the real question and divert attention. typical desiness.
Yes. It was about desis and the generalization is what is being criticised.
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Really?? ‘Her mother threatened suicide, and she took the threat seriously. She was also told she would be taken to Pakistan and married there. She was also threatened with being put out of the house and accused of bringing shame and disgrace on her family name.’ Source: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Judge-annuls-arranged-marriage.2321090.jp I could dig out a hundred similar stories from the UK.. Go and look up the studies online if u don’t believe what I’ve written, it’s all there in black + white. Yes, they might seem like generalisations but they’re also FACT.
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Yes. It was about desis and the generalization is what is being criticised.
Why don't u try and disprove my 'generalisations' with actual fact then rather than just ur own opinion???
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'silent majority' doesn't get reported.......when there is nothing wrong...you can't really see it in the news.
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^True but even tho it’s the minority the statistics are pretty shocking..
Previous studies have shown that **South Asian women living in the UK – particularly those of Pakistani origin – have a higher rate of depression, suicide and self-harm than White women. **However, there are no psychosocial interventions specifically designed to help people from ethnic minorities with depression.
The concept of honour (izzat) and shame (sharam) are particularly important within Asian culture, especially in the lives of Asian women. The Newham research explains how the concepts of honour and shame are connected to issues of morality, social standing and respect in Asian societies. It is these concepts expressed through the actions of women that lead to the role and expectations of women in Asian communities and families. Women are “the appointed site of familial honour and shame…thus they are both the guardians and the guarded”. It is from these notions that the roles of women within Asian culture can be viewed as rigid and constraining. The Newham study describes how these issues are reflected throughout their findings of Asian women who self harm. In the national Strategies for Living study the women tell similar stories.
The women in this study face immense pressure because of their gender and the expectations placed upon them as wives and mothers.
Source: http://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/publications/?entryid5=43600&p=4
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Being very honest , I found goray even bigger dramas . If you are kinda person who can scratch the surface , then you'll find it quite entertaining , and the passion with which they hate each other with a smile on their face :D
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Why don’t you come up with something which compares desis and non-desis in regards to mental diseases and prove your point that non desis are mentally stronger. 
Give concrete evidence not just rhetorics or cherry picking the studies which might even be baised?
Overall: In Britain 3-4 percent men and up to 8 percent women suffer depression in their lifetime.
If you really want go that path deeba, you will be astonished not just shocked if data is provided to you otherwise. You might be living in a bubble but does not mean there is no world outside that bubble.
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I am discussing weak and strong minds comparison here. Just to reiterate. Let me copy it to appropriate thread.
So far you have come down from desis, to’ Pakistanis’ then now to ‘Pakistani women’ to prove your point. 
And interestingly you keep giving example from UK getto area people who might be unfortunate in not having economic conditions or educations suitable for them to show their children are not really weak minded. Poor whites also do not perform well compared to well off whites.
Now are you ready to come out of UK getto areas so you can be enlightened?
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Why are u quoting things out of context all over the place?? I mention 8 kids in a 2-bed house as a throwaway remark in that other thread, expanding on what Puchi Cuchi said about why 'Paki' is a derogatory term and non-one else took that comment literally EXCEPT YOU. U obviously have a very poor command of English that u can't understand what everyone else can get their head around just fine and drag discussions regarding poverty into one concerning mental health, mention stats concerning INDIANS to try and back up a point regarding Pakistanis.. Every point I have made is true but I don't have time to dig up references for every single sentence I write. Look up the gov statistics and mental health reports for urself, my dad is a consultant psychiatrist and years ago used to specialise in mental health for the Asian (desi to American) community. There's a HUGE pdf file I came across just a few days ago outlining the exact stats, symptoms, treatment etc. for desis in the UK with mental issues. If u google 'Pakistani UK depression' or something am sure it will come up. Yes, sometimes I say 'desi', sometimes I say 'Asian', sometimes I say 'Asian women' but like I said look up the results of psychiatric studies online yourself to see the facts rather than clutching at straws and trying to catch me out by little differences in the terms I've used. It's very petty but like Philosophy said diverting attention away from Pakistani problems by talking about others seems to be the method u prefer.
Everyone else can see everytime a person writes something that might not be 100% positive about Pakistan/Pakistanis/Pakistani culture u jump down their throats and/or call them a 'troll.' I have literally lost count of the number of times I've seen u do it with other people.
You used to pretend forced marriages aren't a UK Pakistani problem till I pulled up the figures and showed u were wrong. Keep spouting ur nationalistic BS, no-one with half a brain is fooled by it and from this moment on I'm putting u on ignore.
(And regarding 'socio economic reasons' for Pakistani children being amongst the worst performing in schools - I never said that might not be part of the reason - tho again u can't always blame that, plenty of other ethnic minorities are poor but don't perfom as badly as us. Again, poverty is one reason the word 'Paki' is seen as an insult - another point u tried to deny).
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Why are u quoting things out of context all over the place?? I mention 8 kids in a 2-bed house as a throwaway remark in that other thread, expanding on what Puchi Cuchi said about why 'Paki' is a derogatory term and non-one else took that comment literally EXCEPT YOU. U obviously have a very poor command of English that u can't understand what everyone else can get their head around just fine and drag discussions regarding poverty into one concerning mental health, mention stats concerning INDIANS to try and back up a point regarding Pakistanis.. Every point I have made is true but I don't have time to dig up references for every single sentence I write. Look up the gov statistics and mental health reports for urself, my dad is a consultant psychiatrist and years ago used to specialise in mental health for the Asian (desi to American) community. There's a HUGE pdf file I came across just a few days ago outlining the exact stats, symptoms, treatment etc. for desis in the UK with mental issues. If u google 'Pakistani UK depression' or something am sure it will come up. Yes, sometimes I say 'desi', sometimes I say 'Asian', sometimes I say 'Asian women' but like I said look up the results of psychiatric studies online yourself to see the facts rather than clutching at straws and trying to catch me out by little differences in the terms I've used. It's very petty but like Philosophy said diverting attention away from Pakistani problems by talking about others seems to be the method u prefer.
Everyone else can see everytime a person writes something that might not be 100% positive about Pakistan/Pakistanis/Pakistani culture u jump down their throats and/or call them a 'troll.' I have literally lost count of the number of times I've seen u do it with other people.
You used to pretend forced marriages aren't a UK Pakistani problem till I pulled up the figures and showed u were wrong. Keep spouting ur nationalistic BS, no-one with half a brain is fooled by it and from this moment on I'm putting u on ignore.
(And regarding 'socio economic reasons' for Pakistani children being amongst the worst performing in schools - I never said that might not be part of the reason - tho again u can't always blame that, plenty of other ethnic minorities are poor but don't perfom as badly as us. Again, poverty is one reason the word 'Paki' is seen as an insult - another point u tried to deny).
I do not think I can get you out of UK desis as examples of bashing desis can I?
Afterall that is what you have seen as you say. Thanks for proving the bubble theory.
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You would call it 'bashing desis' (I suppose u mean 'Pakistanis' seeing as tho u spend so much time attacking Indians), to me it's called owning up to or dealing with our problems/shortcomings/mistakes so we can do better. Too much pride and not all that much for us to proud of - here in the UK anyway..
(Regarding the 'bubble theory' interesting how u've forgotten how u were proved wrong in that 'forced marriage' thread, wasn't it, I could pull out a dozen other examples but ur one-sided nationalistic idealogy bores me..)
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Forced marriages is what YOU have seen in getto people studies, does not mean that is common among all Pakistanis.
I do not think you can prove anything since you cannot come out of the stats you have seen since childhood. And not another study from UK please. World is bigger than that. Even in Pakistan women are marrying on their own.