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Originally posted by pakistan99:
**If all non-Muslims are going to hell, I will be hapy to acompany them there...
The only native thing that's giving me second thoughts are all the A-Qaeda, they'll be terrorizing hell as well.
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wont feel lonley as the only pakistani to make it.
[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited July 09, 2002).]
Sharjeel brother, u take things very very seriously. I, on the other am not even a firm beleiver… yeah now ur gonna thing about me in even worst terms, but as my philosophy goes, just live ur life, don’t care what others might think about it. I read everything what you said, thought about it, then like everything else, did a quick format of my memory cells.
And rvikz, I’ll be the only Pakistani, but I’ll have millions from my neighborin country…
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/wink.gif
You can only paint with the colors you’re given…
…so get what you like and like what you have.
As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
Praise be to Allaah.
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]
The hadeeth is: “By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, there is no-one of this ummah, Jew or Christian, who hears of me then dies without believing in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the people of Hell.” (Reported by Muslim, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Saheeh, 153).
With reference to aayah
"Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62]
see
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=2912&dgn=3
Allaah(swt) sent His creation one fundamental message, Tawheed (Divine unity) -Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.
According to Tawheed (Islamic monothesim, the message of all the Prophets), Christainity is classified as polytheism and Judaism is considered a subtle form of idolatry. Judaism and Christainity are NOT religions that Allaah(swt) sent to mankind but corrupted teachings of the true message of Tawheed (Islamic monothesim) taught by Prophet Moosa and Prophet Esa (peace upon them both) as well as all the Prophets of Allaah(swt).
Prophet Muhammad(saw) came with the same message (Tawheed - Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah) as all Prophets of Allaah but with a sharia that abrogrates past laws.
It goes without saying Tawheed - Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah - is the single most important topic in Islam. If anyone does not have a firm understanding in this topic, spend time and effort understanding it! To highlight the point, the opposite of tawheed is shirk –so the importance of understanding it goes without saying. It’s sad that so many books/articles work around this topic yet it is what we should be focusing on!
I’ve left some links at the bottom of the post - inshaa’allah it will help.
The following is an extract from islam-qa which inshaa’allah will in force the points mentioned above.
Praise be to Allaah.
Muslims believe in all the Prophets and Messengers without exception; whoever denies any Prophet is a disbeliever. Muslims believe in all the Books that were revealed by Allaah to His Prophets, without exception; whoever denies any Book is a disbeliever.
On this basis, Muslims believe in Moosa (Moses) as a Prophet from Allaah, and in the original Torah as a Book from Allaah, and in ‘Eesa (Jesus) as a Prophet from Allaah, and in the original Gospel as a Book from Allaah.
When the previous books were distorted and altered because of men’s desires and division among the Jews and Christians, it was no longer possible to rely on them.
Allaah abrogated all previous laws (sharee’ahs) when Islam came, and all previous Books when the Qur’aan was revealed. When He sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as the final Messenger and Seal of the Prophets, it became obligatory to believe in and follow the Qur’aan which was revealed to him, especially since Allaah has guaranteed to preserve the Qur’aan and protect it from alteration and distortion, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9]
Regarding Prophet Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) is the Khaleel (Friend) of Allaah, the Father of the Prophets and the pride of the Muslims. Allaah sent him with the message of Tawheed (Divine unity) just as He sent Moosa, ‘Eesa and Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all). The happiest of mankind is one who follows his way, which is Tawheed (belief in Divine unity).
Because both the Jews and Christians claimed that Ibraaheem belonged to them, Allaah explained that they were both wrong, giving decisive historical evidence in the aayaat (interpretation of the meaning):
“O People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibraaheem, while the Tawraat and the Injeel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?
Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have no knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allaah Who knows, and you know not.
Ibraaheem was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim haneefa (Islamic monotheism – worshipping none but Allaah alone), and he was not of al-mushrikoon (polytheists).
Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibraaheem are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad (peace andb lessings of Allaah be upon him) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allaah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:65-68]
Belief in all the Prophets and Messengers is one of the pillars of Islamic belief (‘aqeedah), without which the faith of the Muslim cannot be complete, because they all preached the same message (i.e. they we ALL muslims), which is belief in Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say (O Muslims): ‘We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Ya‘qoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbaat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya‘qoob (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Moosa (Moses) and ‘Isa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)’” [al-Baqarah 2:136]
Here are those links:
Please find time to get and read the following book. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abutaw/abutaw_1.html
Other very important information on tauheed/aqeedah can be found in the links below. It explains the the kalimah (word) of tauheed, 'La ilaha ill-Allah" according to how the Prophet(saw) taught it and how it was understood by his companions.
http://www.islaam.net/display/display.php?category=3
http://www.islaam.com/Article.asp?id=323
http://www.islaam.com/Section.asp?id=4
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/wasiti/taimiyah_1.html
Brothers and sisters in Islam. Know your religion before you make the outrageous comments that I seen on this topic.
Wa Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
I think that the question its self is wrong because saying do all non muslims go to hell implies that some muslims go to heaven.
and in loads of religions they dont :0)
As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
Praise be to Allaah.
jonny2mad and all others. Please read my post above. My post outlines the reality according to Islaam.
If you doubt Islaam as the true religion of God, then that's another topic I'm happy to discuss.
Wa Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
Dear AsifMaruf
Thanks for such a nice post. I think that it clears up everything.
[This message has been edited by sharjeel (edited July 11, 2002).]
Smaller posting are read more often.
Asifmaruf... I really don't have time to read large posts [no joke!], can you just say yes or no [or somethin' like dat!] ?
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
My apologies to all if you thought the mail was too long. I’ll try and make them shorter in the future inshaa’allah.
However just to remind our brothers and sisters that Islaam is not based on personal opinion but rather on revelation. Therefore if I make a claim, I have to provide the evidence. Hence sometimes mails can be a little longer.
There are very good articles mashallaah on the importance of seeking knowledge at the link below:
http://www.islaam.com/Section.asp?id=3
To those who only blindly follow and imitate others,
“Say, ‘Are those who know equal to those who know not?’” [39:9].
Wa Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
[This message has been edited by Sentinel (edited July 16, 2002).]
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Originally posted by Nagarjuna:
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technically speaking even the worst muslim
who kiled muslims go to heaven instead
of non-muslim who saved many muslim lives.
can that be true?
[This message has been edited by Sentinel (edited July 16, 2002).]
No, it cannot.
As-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Praise be to Allaah.
I remind my brothers and sisters again. This post is also addressed to the non-Muslims.
Allaah(swt) sent His creation one fundamental message, Tawheed (Divine unity) - Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah.
The worst crime a human being can commit is to go against this divine message - i.e. commit major SHIRK.
One of the repercussions of major shirk is that if a person died knowingly committing major shirk, ALL his good deeds are wiped and in the Hereafter he will be of the losers i.e. in Hellfire.
“Verily Allaah will not forgive the joining of partners with Him (major shirk), but He may forgive (sins) less than that for whosoever He wishes”
According to our Lord, this crime of major shirk (along with some other beliefs of kufr such as denial of Allaah(swt) all together) is the worst crime a human being can commit.
Worse than murder, worse than rape, worse than anything else.
Therefore IF Ghandi/Eistein or anybody else died on major shirk (or some other beliefs of kufr such as denial of Allaah(swt) all together), then they have committed the most vile of crimes against their Lord and all good they have done will be of no consequence nor will it help them in the Hereafter.
To really understand this, one must understand the same divine message of all the Prophets, Tawheed (Divine unity).
Tawheed is much more than the mere believe in our Creator. It is about maintaining the Unity of Lordship, maintaining the Unity of Allaah’s Names and Attributes and maintaining the Unity of Worship.
“That which you worship besides Him are only names you and your forefathers have invented for which Allaah has sent down no authority; the command belongs to Allaah: He has commanded that you worship Him; that is the straight religion, but most men do no understand” [Soorah Yusuf 12:40]
This verse is directed at to those that worshipped besides Allaah(swt). Those that continue to, have no proof or authority that supports such practices, hence the statement
“…for which Allaah has sent down no authority…”
It affirms that the judgement, decision, will and kingdom are all for Allaah ALONE, and He has commanded all His servants to worship none but Him.
“…that is the straight religion…”
‘this’ being Tawheed of Allaah and directing all acts of worship at Him alone in sincerity and not to direct any act of worship to ANY thing else EVEN if it is used as an intermediatery
between the worshipper and his creator, Allaah(swt).
“…but most men know not…”
this is why most of them are idolators.
Look what Allaah(swt) says regarding our existence. That old question, ‘what is the meaning of life?’ Here is the answer:
“I have only created jinns and men, that they worship Me”
[Soorah Adh-Dhaariyaat 51:56]
Therefore creation-worshippers contradict their very purpose of creation. Man was created to worship God alone.
That does not mean spend all of your time in a mosque as this is not what the Prophet of Allaah(swt) did. To fulfill our purpose, understand tawheed and hold fast to the sunnah.
Please find time to get and read the following book.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abutaw/abutaw_1.html
Other very important information on tawheed/aqeedah can be found in the links below.
It explains the kalimah (word) of tawheed, 'La ilaha ill-Allah" according to how the Prophet(saw) taught it and how it was understood by his companions.
http://www.islaam.net/display/display.php?category=3
http://www.islaam.com/Article.asp?id=323
http://www.islaam.com/Section.asp?id=4
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/wasiti/taimiyah_1.html
Wa Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuhu
ASIFMURUF.....
If a person is a good person. For example a Catholic(who believes Jesus is son of God). On your theory they ALL will go to hell. Don't you think they should be judged accordingly to what they have done in their life. If this person was a better PERSON than a muslim, would he still go to hell?? Now i'm only asking for your opinion. It seems a little unfair. Therefore, my own theory is that God will judge everyone accordingly. I have heard alot about one specific sin being the WORST sin you can commit. Which makes everything unclear.
And whosoever does not believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad SAW), then verily, We have prepared for the disbelievers a blazing Fire] . {48:13)
And to Allâh belongs the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He forgives whom He wills, and punishes whom He wills. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
{48:14}
salaam all,
SHIRK is not only what you say, but also what you do!!
asifmaruf said that SHIRK is worse than murder, rape. but i think SHIRK is DOING these things!!!someone intends to murder or rape someone thinks that he (in most cases it is a he) can decide to end someone life, a decision which is only in the hands of the ALMIGHTY or force someone, in other words mistreat GOD's creations!!!
being a muslim does not mean that you have a certain arabic name, or by just uttering some words you become a true muslim!! BUT THE MAJOR THING IS TO ACT LIKE A TRUE MUSLIM!!!!
and furthermore Einstein and Gandhi are two great examples of modern times of people who in my opinion truely did good deeds!!!
Asslamu Alaikum Wa Rehmatullahi Wa barakaatohu!
Respected Brothers & sisters in islam!
This is an important thing we all need to know and live by.
As you all know ...(or most know) That @ the beginning of Surah Baqarah..Allah Ta'ala describes the 3 types of people. There are those who are righteous and pious(Muttaqi, Mu'min, etc.) The ones who belive in Allah and do good deeds.
Then there are those who are Rejectors of Faith..The Kuffaar(Polythiests, athiests,disblievers, Mushriqs,etc.).
And then they are those who are the hypocrites (the Munafiqoon). And notice that Allah Talks about the Munafiqs (hypocrites) in great detail in this Surah...while the other two He talks about them for a few verses.
So we know Human Beings as three main classes...
Also, many times in the Quran, you have read these verses beginning with: "Illalaadhina amanu wa AAamiloo alssalihati..."
This verse means: To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness...
What my point here is :
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That the True Believers (The successful ones) are those who believe and do good deeds.
Notice Allah Ta'ala (the Exalted) does not only say those who believe or only those who do good deeds....He says Those who believe and do good deeds.
So the ones who might to good deeds or not But still reject faith....Those are the disbelievers(kaafirs)
And those who only believe and not act upon their faith are the hypocrites..
And those who believe and do good deeds are the successful one in Hereafter. and they are the ones who will earn Jannah.InshAllah
May Allah Ta'ala make us of those who truly believe and do good deeds steadfastly till the day our soul leaves our body ameen thum ameen. Allahumma Ameen.
SO YOU MAKE THE CHOICE! IF YOU BELIEVE THEN DO GOOD DEEDS. inshAllah!
May Allah help us and guide us and may He protect us from the evil shayateen. ameen
Here are the verses that explain the rewards of such people:
Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread) > [5:9][5:93]
Ibrahim (Abraham)> [14:23]
Al-Hajj (The Pilgrimage)> [22:14][22:23]
Ash-Shu'ara (The Poets)> [26:227]
Suad> [38:28][38:24]
Muhammad > [47:12]
Al-Fath (The Victory) [48:29]
Al-Inshiqaq (The Splitting Asunder) [84:25]
At-Tin (The Fig) [95:6]
As salaamu alaikum
Shirk is not murder and rape. All hidious crimes no doubt but they are different. According to the authentic proofs of the quran and sunnah, shirk (associating partners with Allaah(swt)) is the most vile of them all as I proved in the previous post.
Allaah WILL judge people for what there have done here. To believe for example that Allaah(swt) has a son (We seek refuge from Allaah, the Most High from such a disgusting claim), is the most vile of crimes. Whether your PERSONAL believes concur, that’s another matter but islaam is based on revelation not personal opionion. Please go back to the authentic sources and please do not cloud the truth with personal opinion.
“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!”
[al-Tawbah 9:30]
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=26301&dgn=3
How can Allaah(swt) be pleased with people He curses.
As for Einstein and Gandhi, Allaah knows were they will end up. They may have an excuse that Allaah(swt) will accept but that knowledge is with Allaah(swt).
If we want to look at examples for us to follow, look no further than the Prophets who brought us the message of the Oneness of Allaah.
Also see
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&CR=235&dgn=3
“If you join others in worship with Allaah, (then) surely, (all) your deeds will be in vain, and you will certainly be among the losers” [al-Zumar 39:65]
was salaam
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*Originally posted by wake_up_dead: *
Nope not all non-muslims will end up in hell. Those who do the good deeds will be blessed by Allah.
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I kept hearing that non-beleivers who do good deeds would receive their benefit during their lifetime, however they will be punished in the afterlife. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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*Originally posted by Paki Prince: *
Allah (swt) has given every person the ability to differentiate between right and wrong. People who were introduced to Islam and then rejected it will go to hell if they died as kafirs. The fundamental requirement to enter Paradise is believing in the Oneness of Allah and finality of the Prophethood of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam).
In the verse ahmadjee quoted, I think God (swt) is refering to the original Christians/Jews/Sabians, not the ones we have today. Islam abrogated all previous religions.
God will reward the kafirs for their good deeds in this world or alternatively their punishment in the hearafter will be decreased.
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BINGO!